1872 Cup 2015, Round 2: Glasgow v Edinburgh

by **George Carlin** Sun 20 Dec 2015, 12:29 pm

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It's that time again. The oldest thing in world rugby. Seen here holding the 1872 Cup:

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The social club versus the members-only golf club, the unwashed versus the exfoliators, the heroin users versus the social drinkers, the chips & cheese versus the salt & sauce, the ramraiders versus the online bank hackers, the knock-off Rolecks versus the original Pateks, the Gregg's versus the Pain Quotidien and the aggressive cardiac arrest versus the stress-related work sign-off for a fortnight.

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Glasgow Warriors v Edinburgh Rugby
Saturday 2nd January 2016
At Scotstoun Stadium, 5.15pm.
Live on Sky Sports

Referee: Peter Fitzgibbon (IRFU, 66th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Lloyd Linton, Graeme Wells (both SRU)
Citing Commissioner: John Montgomery (SRU)
TMO: Jim Yuille (SRU)

C. Past Winners

2007-2008: Glasgow Warriors - Aggregate Score: 54–49

2008-2009: Edinburgh Rugby - Aggregate Score: 59-31

2009-2010: Glasgow Warriors - Aggregate Score: 47-27

2010-2011: Glasgow Warriors - Aggregate Score: 47-46

2011-2012: Glasgow Warriors - Aggregate Score: 40-35

2012-2013: Glasgow Warriors - Aggregate Score: 44-31

2013-2014: Glasgow Warriors - Aggregate Score: 57-50

2014-2015: Edinburgh Rugby - Aggregate Score: 26-24

2015: Edinburgh rugby 23 - Glasgow 11

D. Teams

Glasgow Warriors
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Stuart Hogg, Taqele Naiyaravoro, Mark Bennett, Peter Horne, Sean Lamont, Duncan Weir, Ali Price; Gordon Reid, Fraser Brown, Zander Fagerson, Greg Peterson, Jonny Gray (captain), Ryan Wilson, Chris Fusaro, Josh Strauss.

Replacements: Shalva Mamukashvili, Ryan Grant, Sila Puafisi, Leone Nakarawa, Hugh Blake; Grayson Hart, Peter Murchie, Lee Jones.

Edinburgh Rugby
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1872 Cup 2015, Round 2: Glasgow v Edinburgh - Page 2 TheGlenCoveMansion

Jack Cuthbert, Dougie Fife, Michael Allen, Matt Scott, Damien Hoyland, Phil Burleigh, Sam Hidalgo-Clyne; Rory Sutherland, Ross Ford, WP Nel, Anton Bresler, Ben Toolis, Mike Coman (captain), John Hardie, Cornell Du Preez.

Replacements: Neil Cochrane, Allan Dell, John Andress, Alex Toolis, Jamie Ritchie, Sean Kennedy, Greig Tonks, Andries Strauss.

by jimbopip Wed 23 Dec 2015, 4:49 pm

Is that whimsical little posting an early Chrimbo prezzie , Fes? laughing

Toonie is looking to run the legs off your pack and rack up such a score as will allow him to rest key players for the return leg.

On another aside: Saints-Glasgow set for 5:30 on the Sunday. Which is fecc all good for those of us who have to get up for work on the Monday. Why didn't I stay retired. furious

by VinceWLB Wed 23 Dec 2015, 8:33 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:This is a slam dunk. The Glasgow pack will be standing in the cold waiting for the ball. The soap dodgers have a duff pack and an Edinburgh reject to ship the ball out. They could have Cullen, Lomu and Campese in the back three for all it would matter.

Edinburgh 18 - 6 Glasgow.

No doubt.

Love it!

Heard a rumour Dickinson isn't playing to give the powder puff Glasgow pack a chance and that by evening things out a bit it would be better for the spectacle Laugh

by EWT Spoons Wed 23 Dec 2015, 8:37 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:So would the following head to head be fair?

1 - Draw
2 - Edinburgh
3 - Edinburgh
4 - Glasgow
5 - Glasgow
6 - Draw
7 - Edinburgh
8 - Edinburgh

9 - Edinburgh
10 - Glasgow
11 - Glasgow
12 - Draw
13 - Glasgow
14 - Glasgow
15 - Glasgow

I'd say front row , backrow & 9 it's advantage Edinburgh, from 10-15 it's very much Glasgow. However the deciding factor in my opinion is the coaches. Toonie knows how to use his team, Solly has one plan, if it's not working then he's stumped.

Also if Scott was in Toonie's team I would have rated him higher than Horne but our backs are largely filler so Horne edges it as he might get some quality ball.

With all that said Edinburgh are going to strangle the life out the game, starving Glasgow of the ball and will win the first leg.

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Thu 24 Dec 2015, 2:15 am

Well it's tornado time I'm the mid west and I suspect the same for the Luvvies Very Happy

I just love how the lervies armchair support know all about rugby esp The Warriors Stand by for humiliation suckers. Edinburgh must be the most schieze, boring team in Pro 12 history. Ergo their crappy silent support is diminishing support who need The Weedge to come through to The Library to "Make Some Noise".

Happy Christmas dudes (even the wee lervies and even Mr Pomposity Himself - yes honestly fES)

by jimbopip Thu 24 Dec 2015, 11:19 am

RDW, the Shizoid one puts our festive poo flinging to shame. Sadly we are bound by rules of semantics and logic, to which he is as a stranger in a strange land.

Mr Spoons,
Also if Scott was in Toonie's team I would have rated him higher than Horne

only if he could sort out his defensive frailties. No one gets in the Glasgow side if they're afraid of contact. Or kebabs.

by **RDW** Thu 24 Dec 2015, 11:49 am

Just watched last year's highlights when Edinburgh humiliated Glasgow and won the cup - I forgot it was Horne that threw the wild interception pass to Visser. Given he also lost us the game against Italy he really didn't have a good few months at that stadium!

by **RDW** Sat 26 Dec 2015, 6:51 pm

A word of warning for our western brethren - your Neanderthal cousins (AKA Rangers fans) are heading to Tyncastle for a 2pm kick off tomorrow so I can see the trains and roads being pretty busy.

There'll probably be more rugby fans though with 8000 supposedly coming through - you can teach them how to behave. They are in a civilised city after all!

by EWT Spoons Sat 26 Dec 2015, 7:45 pm

Just as a wee correction RDW it's Celtic fans who are coming through. Rangers have no business being at Tynecastle.

The police are apparently tightening security at both grounds (why murrayfield i have no idea)

From Edinburgh Police:

Edinburgh Police wrote:TRAVEL AND SAFETY ADVICE AHEAD OF EDINBURGH SPORTS MATCHES THIS WEEKEND
We are offering travel and safety advice to sports fans ahead of this weekend's football and rugby matches.
On Sunday 27th December Heart of Midlothian FC will play Celtic FC at Tynecastle Stadium in a 2pm kick-off. Edinburgh Rugby will then begin their match with Glasgow Warriors at 3.05pm at Murrayfield Stadium.
It is anticipated the SPFL game will be a sell-out, with several thousand also expected to attend the rugby.

With that in mind, officers in the Capital are urging spectators to plan their journeys in advance and leave plenty of time to get to the stadium they are travelling to.
The West of the city will experience significant traffic congestion before and after these matches and police will be in attendance around both venues to assist with traffic management.

Officers will also be assisting stewarding staff to carry out searches of those entering Tynecastle and Murrayfield to ensure the safety of the public.
Specialist resources including specially trained sniffer dogs will be deployed to detect flares and other flammable materials.
Those found in possession of these items will be denied entry and may face further police action.
Chief Inspector Bob Paris, Silver Commander for these events said: "There's always an added buzz to sporting matches during the festive season and we will have considerable resources in place to ensure these games are memorable for all the right reasons.
"I would urge football and rugby fans alike to get to their respective stadium at an appropriate time and ensure they do not leave their vehicles parked anywhere that presents an obstruction or danger to other motorists.
"Many of you may be consuming alcohol over the coming days, however, if you intend to drive to one of the games then please ensure you are legally allowed to do so.
"Road Policing Officers will be monitoring the road network in and around Edinburgh and those caught driving under the influence will be arrested and face a criminal conviction and the loss of their licence. Please, don't risk it.
"As part of our commitment to keeping people safe we will be undertaking searches of spectators and items such as flares, glass bottles and alcohol are not allowed in stadiums
"Please enjoy supporting your club this weekend, but please make sure your actions do not put yourselves or others at risk."

by **RDW** Sat 26 Dec 2015, 7:53 pm

Apologies - Celtic (although my Neanderthal comment still applies Smile

)

I'd hope the sniffer dogs and flare searches will just be at Tyncastle - hearts have had real problems this season because people are bringing in flares and injuring their own fans.

Even with 8000 glaswegiams in the stadium I can't see Murrayfield being quite do wild!

by **RDW** Sat 26 Dec 2015, 8:56 pm

20500 tickets sold - I wonder why this year has taken off so much?

I'm behind the posts for an Edinburgh game - that's a first!

by **BigGee** Sat 26 Dec 2015, 11:15 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:20500 tickets sold - I wonder why this year has taken off so much?

I'm behind the posts for an Edinburgh game - that's a first!

You will enjoy seeing how good a kicker Finn Russell is then!

by **RDW** Sun 27 Dec 2015, 9:52 am

Amazingly Edinburgh are 5/6 favourites with Glasgow on Evens.

I know they say the bookies are rarely wrong, but seriously...?

by jimbopip Sun 27 Dec 2015, 10:20 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Apologies - Celtic (although my Neanderthal comment still applies )

I'd hope the sniffer dogs and flare searches will just be at Tyncastle - hearts have had real problems this season because people are bringing in flares and injuring their own fans.

Even with 8000 glaswegiams in the stadium I can't see Murrayfield being quite do wild!

Your comment wasn't any more Neanderthal than usual, RDW. Hug

Matchday and I am 400 miles away and MrsPip hasn't been to the sales yet. Doh

Be afraid, be very afraid

I was remembering Scotland -Samoa in the World Cup at Murrayfield a few tournaments back: Gavin Hastings was outstanding that day taking the ball at first receiver and smashing into the Samoans' midfield defence, tying in their big tacklers and allowing quick ball to bring the wide men into play. I think we'll see something very similar with BigT running at the Luvvies back row from set piece possession. Hardie is an outstanding 7 but if he spends most of the afternoon tackling BigT and being held down by Fozzie he wont really have the influence on the game he may otherwise have had. A lot of people have said that the Exfoliators have an advantage in the back row; if the Common People was any where near the standard of the other five players then I would agree but by the time he gets to the breakdown today the ball will be far, far away. So the League champions will have three players at every breakdown to the two Knitwear models.

Four and a half hours to kick off. But who's counting?

by **RDW** Sun 27 Dec 2015, 10:43 am

Jimbo old chap, you lose all credibility when you refer to Hardie and Du Preez as a couple of knitwear models! With Strauss at home being shielded from the marauding Edinburgh 8 those two are comfortably the toughest hombres on the pitch (with big bad Bresler a close 3rd). And I'm not talking about beating up a guy in a kebab shop tough!

That's something else you've not factored in to your calculations - on 30 minutes Wilson will no doubt pick a fight with a punter at the pitchside burger stand and Fusaro will leap into the crowd trying to start round 2 with Scott McLoed.

So that leaves Arthur Ashe v Du Preez and Hardie. There can only be one winner!

by jimbopip Sun 27 Dec 2015, 10:54 am

RDW, is it Rupert De Winter?, you obviously haven't seen the photie of Fozzie on the Glasgow Warrior Index today; he's gone for the unshaven look to highlight his "manliness". Unfortunately it's come in ginger. laughing

So either it's a tribute to Roddie Grant (who deserves the tributes and warmth being sent his way) OR Fozzie is about to start doing hilarious stop action animations on YouTube and Glove will need to get a real job.

Bressler? Bressler? laughing

Not fit to lace Jonnies boots.

by **RDW** Sun 27 Dec 2015, 11:10 am

I don't know who this Bressler guy you refer to is, but Anton Bresler is 18st of fine South African Biltong who will no doubt teach baby faced ickle jonny a thing or two about the dark arts! thumbsup

by jimbopip Sun 27 Dec 2015, 11:16 am

RDW, is it Raneliegh Dogberry Walthamstow? it ill becomes you to start nit picking on the spelling front. warning

Although, as a diversionary tactic I suppose it stops you dwelling on the spanking that is to come in just under four hours. Laugh

by **RDW** Sun 27 Dec 2015, 12:02 pm

Well enough of the smack talk, let's hope for an enjoyable game. Given Edinburgh are involved that is no sure thing!

Here's hoping for an entertaining game with all the Scotland players playing well, no injuries (especially in the Edinburgh pack) and, most of all.....

An Edinburgh win!!! Yahoo

by jimbopip Sun 27 Dec 2015, 12:08 pm

You were doing so well....right up to that last bit. furious

RDW, I hope you had a jolly Chrimbo and that today's game is actually an enjoyable spectacle. (How is the weather? I think wet and slippy underfoot will work against the Luvvies scrum) and that there are no injuries.

When Roddie grant comes out to say good bye give him the send off he deserves.

by **RDW** Sun 27 Dec 2015, 12:14 pm

Dry, sunny and cold but I'm doing my rain dance as I type to stop the weegies running riot!

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sun 27 Dec 2015, 1:10 pm

Jimbo, hadn't you heard that the great Blackadder line 'wetter than a fishes wet bits' was written while Richard Curtis contemplated the Warriors pack? boxing

Unfortunately timed visit from the girlfriends relatives is meaning I'm going to have to record this and miss out on the alternative 606v2 commentary in real time Sad

by IanBru Sun 27 Dec 2015, 1:12 pm

jimbopip wrote:A lot of people have said that the Exfoliators have an advantage in the back row; if the Common People was any where near the standard of the other five players then I would agree but by the time he gets to the breakdown today the ball will be far, far away.

Mike Coman reminds me of Richard Beymer's character in The Longest Day - the paratrooper that lands in a tree and spends the entire film running around trying to find his unit. He ends up in the presence of a far superior actor in Richard Burton, delivering the line of the film: "You know, I haven't fired my gun all day? I keep hearing shooting, but every time I get there, everybody's gone!"

Coman will spend all game trying to get to the breakdown, as Glasgow play ToonieBall to the nth degree, shifting the point of attack so often that Coman just stands still, realising that the law of averages means that he will eventually be in the right place to steal ball. He'll end up sat in the stands as Nakarawa leans over his shoulder and offers him kindly advice on the art of the blindside while collecting his man of the match award for his work as a lock, centre, scrum-half, quarter-back and destroyer of dreams.

BTW Jim, 'Stranger in a Strange Land' is an absolute classic book. Do you fancy a seat at the Racing match? The Hagia Sophia and I are heading up for the weekend.

by jimbopip Sun 27 Dec 2015, 1:25 pm

Do you have a ticket going spare to watch Dancer give yon Carter fella a masterclass in how it should be done?

"No, no Dan, against Ulster I stepped, dummy scissored, dummy passed , swerved then ran over their 10 before scoring."

p.s. Well done hanging in there with the Hagia Sophia, fantastic balconies and classic architecture.

p.p.s. Mrs Pip has just finished "The Song Of Achilles" which I thought was utterly fantastic. She said, "Reminded me of the Harry Potters" Doh

by IanBru Sun 27 Dec 2015, 1:30 pm

jimbopip wrote:Do you have a ticket going spare to watch Dancer give yon Carter fella a masterclass in how it should be done?

That's a roger. Buying two seats is easier than buying one and trying to transfer my season ticket for the one match.

by tigertattie Sun 27 Dec 2015, 1:52 pm

It's a shame that Joshua Struass is not available to repeat the utter man shaming that Du Preez always hands out to him

Also a genuine shame that ginger boab is busted. Respect that guy and hope he gets back to old form soon.

Also. Hi guys.

by jimbopip Sun 27 Dec 2015, 1:53 pm

Excellent. Bag me a seat and my accountant will transfer the funds asap. Or pay it in liquid form in the Brew Punk opposite the kelvingrove.

by TJ Sun 27 Dec 2015, 1:55 pm

Well its a lovely day, two decent well matched teams - lets hope for a good game and may the best looking team win

by tigertattie Sun 27 Dec 2015, 1:57 pm

IanBru wrote:
jimbopip wrote:A lot of people have said that the Exfoliators have an advantage in the back row; if the Common People was any where near the standard of the other five players then I would agree but by the time he gets to the breakdown today the ball will be far, far away.
Mike Coman reminds me of Richard Beymer's character in The Longest Day - the paratrooper that lands in a tree and spends the entire film running around trying to find his unit. He ends up in the presence of a far superior actor in Richard Burton, delivering the line of the film: "You know, I haven't fired my gun all day? I keep hearing shooting, but every time I get there, everybody's Gone .

You win the internet today sir

by jimbopip Sun 27 Dec 2015, 2:16 pm

Tiger, welcome to the festivities. Someone will get a manshaming today. My money's on Mr Chinhook. fraser Brown has his eyes on the Scotland jersey and when he's not beating Common People to the breakdown I think he'll be showing the old codger how to do the hooking and throwing in stuff.

by tigertattie Sun 27 Dec 2015, 2:21 pm

Ahhhh I've missed you guys

Ford, for all his chinhooking, will still play brown off the park

Your whole pack is about to be chewed up. And that's with us playing 7 men and a pensioner

by justified sinner Sun 27 Dec 2015, 2:28 pm

Gray out Swinson in, Horne captain. Big blow for Glasgow.

by jimbopip Sun 27 Dec 2015, 2:38 pm

justified sinner wrote:Gray out Swinson in, Horne captain. Big blow for Glasgow.

Well Mr Sinner, it's a very late contender but I think you've just won Understatement Of The Year. Doh

by jimbopip Sun 27 Dec 2015, 2:50 pm

Well lads, time for the grabbing of the tellybox struggle.

wish me luck.

by 123456789 Sun 27 Dec 2015, 2:59 pm

jimbopip wrote:
justified sinner wrote:Gray out Swinson in, Horne captain. Big blow for Glasgow.

Well Mr Sinner, it's a very late contender but I think you've just won Understatement Of The Year.

#

Wish I'd known that before I placed my bet

by TJ Sun 27 Dec 2015, 3:51 pm

Halftime report:
laughing

by **RDW** Sun 27 Dec 2015, 3:53 pm

Scrappy first half, ref not overly concerned by reffing the breakdown.

Glasgow looking out of sorts but we know they can easily turn it on.

by tigertattie Sun 27 Dec 2015, 4:02 pm

Edinburgh just need to stop pointlessly kicking the ball away. Especially turnover ball.

Ps can Glasgow stop the "Glasgowwwwwwwwww" shout. It's bloody dire

by 123456789 Sun 27 Dec 2015, 4:17 pm

Glasgow have a try in them, but their forwards are dire, how you can lose three tightheads in one summer is beyond me. Maybe Roussow De Klerk scared them off too.

by **RDW** Sun 27 Dec 2015, 4:28 pm

Michael Allan playing very well - linking up well with Scott who is also having a good game.

by VinceWLB Sun 27 Dec 2015, 4:37 pm

Great maul try! Yahoo

by cakeordeath Sun 27 Dec 2015, 4:40 pm

It was a good maul. However the Edinburgh no.4 was offside at the line out he was in front of the jumper

by VinceWLB Sun 27 Dec 2015, 4:47 pm

Great sacrifice tackle from Tom Brown..

by TJ Sun 27 Dec 2015, 4:53 pm

Great fighting win from Edinburgh. Special mention to Tom Brown for sorting out Naiyaravoro.

by **RDW** Sun 27 Dec 2015, 4:55 pm

Short summary - Glasgow were crap, Tom Brown is an absolute legend!

by cakeordeath Sun 27 Dec 2015, 4:58 pm

I think it is fair to say Edinburgh were by far the better team. Glasgow couldn't score in a house of ill repute. The one plus of the game was our scrum wasn't manshamed.

by tigertattie Sun 27 Dec 2015, 5:07 pm

We weren't the better. We were just the less crap.

Special mention to the Edinburgh line out and the forwards who took 2 mins to get to every single line out. Probably the worst game I've seen in a long time

by Eejit Sun 27 Dec 2015, 5:27 pm

Well we were utter mince.

In other news I might never be a normal temperature again.

by IanBru Sun 27 Dec 2015, 5:29 pm

Congrats Edinburgh! John Hardie was as outstanding as we've come to expect, and Tom Brown was heroic. There's no other word for it.

As for Glasgow... Well it'll be a sign of the kind of team we are, whether we reach for excuses or knuckle down and solve our many problems. I think the boys have it in then to do what's needed, and Toonie is still the man to do it.

To continue the metaphor, if Mike Coman was like Richard Beymer (and I still think it's a fair comparison), then Hardie was like Robert Mitchum: "I don't have to tell you the story. You all know it. Only two kinds of people are gonna stay on this beach: those that are already dead and those that are gonna die. Now guet off your butts."

God I love that movie. I'm away to find a beach somewhere and run across it.

by tigertattie Sun 27 Dec 2015, 5:33 pm

Aye big defensive effort from Hardie. He's the nailed on Scotland 7 currently.

Not long till Du Preez becomes the nailed on 8

by jimbopip Sun 27 Dec 2015, 5:40 pm

Ah, sic transit Gloria mundi. Which translates as, "They deserved it and we've got a lot of work to do before next week."

It was an exciting match, if not an advert for flowing rugby. Lacey's laissez faire approach to the breakdown meant tackle area was "contested fiercely2 but also stopped anything else developing. But the Luvvies deserved their win, just.

Hopefully we'll have a functioning lineout next week, and a 10 who can kick penalties.

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