Official 606V2 Top 15 Pound for Pound Rankings (Please submit VOTES)

With this forum taking off I think it's time for the second official 606V2 POUND FOR POUND Top 15 rankings.

Rules:
Only 1 post per 606 member.
Only active fighters allowed (Floyd Mayweather has been rendered active, but this is at the discretion of respective posters)
Outlandish listing’s will be DQ (so please keep your listings sensible)

Principles:
Your Top 15 should be based as at the current point in time.

Point Scoring System:
Quite simple, #1 scores 15 points, #2 scores 14 points etc… I will tally up the totals by the deadline date and will present the results (using my Excel wizardry).

NOTE: PLEASE TRY AND USE THE FULL CORRECT SPELLING.

For the record, the previous Top 15 606v2 rankings as at 18th April 2011 was:

1  Manny Pacquciao. (1)
2  Sergio Martinez (3)
3  Nonito Donaire. (5)
4  Floyd Mayweather Jr. (2)
5  Juan Manuel Marquez (4)
6  Yuriorkis Gamboa (T17)
7  Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (14)
8  Timothy Bradley (12)
9  Wladimir Klitschko (7)
10  Carl Froch (13)
11  Giovanni Segura. (23)
12  Bernard Hopkins (8.)
13  Chris John (15)
14  Andre Ward (9)
15  Vitali Klitschko (16)

I expect changes given we are now judging the top 15 as opposed to the top 10

Deadline Date: Wednesday 27th July 2011 6pm

Many Thanks for taking part in this exercise, looking forward to the end result!

1.Manny Pacquiao - 51-3-2, 38KOs
2. Sergio Martinez 46-2-2, 25KOs
3.Juan M. Marquez - 51-5-1, 37KOs
4.Nonito Donaire - 24-1, 16KOs
5.Wladimir Klitscko 56-3-0, 49 KOs
6.Bernard Hopkins 51-5-1, 32KOs
7.Pong.Wonjongkam 78-3-1, 42 KOs
8.Giovani Segura 26-1-1, 22 KOs
9.Miguel Cotto - 35-2, 28KOs
10.Andre Ward - 23-0, 13 KOs
11.Yuriorkis Gamboa - 20-0 16KOs
12.Carl Froch - 28-1 20KOs
13.Lucian Bute - 28-0 23KOs
14.Timothy Bradley - 27-0 11KOs
15.Amir Khan - 25-1 17KOs

Manny Pacquiao
Nonito Donaire
Sergio Martinez
Juan Manuel Marquez
Yurokis Gamboa
Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
Carl Froch
Bernard Hopkins
Timothy Bradley
Andre Ward
Amir Kahn
Wladimir Klistchko
Giovani Segura
Chris John
Miguel Cotto

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Sergio Martinez
4. Juan Manuel Marquez 
5. Nonito Donaire
6. Wladimir Klitschko 
7. Bernard Hopkins
8. Timothy Bradley 
9. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 
10. Yuriorkis Gamboa
11. Giovanni Segura
12. Carl Froch
13. Chris John
14. Miguel Cotto 
15. Andre Ward

Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao
Serigo Martinez
Nonito Donaire
Wladimir Klitshko
Juan Manual Marquez
Yuriorkis Gamboa
Vitali Klitshcko
Amir Khan
Bernard Hopkins
Andre Ward
Timothy Bradley
Carl Froch
Giovanni Segura
Chris John

1. Pacquiao
2. Martinez
3. Marquez
4. Donaire
5. W.Klitschko
6. Bradley
7. Froch
8. Gamboa
9. Ward
10. Khan
11. Guerrero
12. Hopkins
13. Segura
14. Wongjongkam
15. Rios

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr
2 Manny Pacquiao
3 Sergio Martinez
4 Juan Manuel Marquez
5 Nonito Donnaire
6 Timothy Bradley
7 Bernard Hopkins
8 Giovanni Segura
9 Andre Ward
10 Robert Guerrero
11 Miguel Angel Cotto
12 Wladimir Klitchsko
13 Roman Gonzalez
14 Jean Pascal
15 Yuriorkis Gamboa

Could we have more votes please? Task is worthless otherwise.

Thanks ATG

1) Pacquiao 2) Mayweather 3) Donaire 4) Martinez 5) Gamboa 6) Wonjongkam 7) Hopkins 8) JM Marquez 9) Nishioka 10) Froch 11) Ward 12) Bradley 13) Khan 14) Segura 15) Wlad Klitschko.

1) Manny Pacquiao 2) Nonito Donaire 3) Juan Manuel Marquez 4) Sergio Martinez 5) Ponsaklek Wonjongkam 6) Yuriorkis Gamboa 7) Wladimir Klitschko 8) Giovani Segura 9) Bernard Hopkins 10) Carl Froch 11) Amir Khan 12) Tim Bradley 13) Toshiaki Nishioka 14) Andre Ward 15) Miguel Cotto

1) Flyod Mayweather
2) Manny Pacquaio
3) Sergio Martinez
4) Bernard Hopkins
5) Nonito Donaire
6) Juan Manuel Marquez
7) Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
8) Wladimir Klitschko
9) Yuriorkis Gamboa
10) Giovanni Segura
11) Tim Bradley
12) Amir Khan
13) Andre Ward
14) Carl Froch
15 ) Victor Ortiz

Klitschko fan Union?

Scottrf wrote:Klitschko fan Union?

I think that he's just copied the boxrec rankings.

6oldenbhoy wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Klitschko fan Union?

I think that he's just copied the boxrec rankings.

Right.

01. Sergio Martinez
02. Manny Pacquiao
04. Floyd Mayweather Jr
05. Juan Manuel Marquez
06. Nonito Donaire
07. Wladimir Klitschko
08. Yuriorkis Gamboa
09. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
10. Giovanni Segura
11. Andre Ward
12. Bernard Hopkins
13. Toshiaki Nishioka
14. Carl Froch
15. Robert Guererro

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Donaire
5. Gamboa
6. Hopkins
7. Segura
8. J M Marquez
9. Wonjongkam
10. Nishioka
11. Ward
12. Froch
13. Khan
14. Bradley
15. Wlad Klitschko

6oldenbhoy wrote:I think that he's just copied the boxrec rankings.

You can b0ll0cks mate.

Union Cane wrote:

6oldenbhoy wrote:I think that he's just copied the boxrec rankings.

You can b0ll0cks mate.

Cheers, as can you mate.

1 Mayweather Jr
2 Pacquiao
3 Martinez
4 JM Marquez
5 Donnaire
6 Gamboa
7 Segura
8 Wonjongkam
9 Hopkins
10 Khan
11 Froch
12 W. Klitchsko
13 Guerrero
14 Pascal
15 Cotto

If Mayweather doesn't count then everyone moves up a notch and 15th spot filled by Ward.

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr
3. Sergio Martinez
4. Nonito Donaire
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Wladimar Klitchsko
7. Yuriokis Gamboa
8. Carl Froch
9. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
10. Miguel Cotto
11. Giovanni Segura
12. Bernard Hopkins
13. Amir Khan
14. Chris John
15. Andre Ward

Quite a few people without a Mayweather?

Hello all,

Been following this forum since its move from the beeb....finally registered! My top 15 P4p:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr
3. Sergio Martinez
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Juan Manual Marquez
6. Nonito Donnaire
7. Yuriokis Gamboa
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Wladimir Klitschko
10. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
11. Giovanni Segura
12. Carl Froch
13. Timothy Bradley
14. Andre Ward
15. Amir Khan

Chris John at 15 if Floyd Mayweather is deemed to be inactive and rest a place up ofcourse.

d260005p wrote:Quite a few people without a Mayweather?

Its been over a year since he fought so i would deem him inactive until the Ortiz fight.

1 pacquiao
2 mayweather jr
3 martinez
4 donaire
5 w klitschko
6 marquez
7 hopkins
8 froch
9 nishioka
10 gamboa
11 cotto
12 bradley
13 khan
14 john
15 wonjongkam

1 Floyd Mayweather
2 Manny Paquiao
3 Sergio Martinez
4 Juan manuel Marquez
5 Nonito Donaire
6 Wladimir Klitschko
7 Yuriokis Gamboa
8 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
9 Amir Khan
10 Miguel Cotto
11 Bernard Hopkins
12 Carl Froch
13 Tim Bradley
14 Victor Ortiz
15 Andre Ward

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Martinez
4. Donaire
5. W. Klitchsko
6. Hopkins
7. Gamboa
8. Marquez
9. Froch
10. Wonjongkam
11. Khan
12. Cotto
13. Ward
14. Bradley
15. V. Klitchsko

I cant see how Miguel Cotto gets in the top 15...Might as well have Mosley and Hatton in there.

1 Manny Pacquciao
2 Sergio Martinez
3 Nonito Donaire.
4 Juan Manuel Marquez
5 Yuriorkis Gamboa
6 Wladimir Klitschko
7 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
8 Bernard Hopkins
9 Carl Froch
10 Amir Khan
11 Andre Ward
12 Chris John
13 Timothy Bradley
14 Nishioka
15 Victor Ortiz

1. Pacquiao
2. Martinez
3. Marquez
4. Donaire
5. Wonjongkam
6. Hopkins
7. Khan
8. Froch
9. Gamboa
10. Wladimir K
11. Ward
12. Bradley
13. Guerrero
14. Rios
15. Cotto
15.

Also interested to know the Ring magazines reasoning behind Bradley being number 6 on the P4P rankings with no sight of Khan but is then 2nd divisionally?

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Nonito Donaire
7. Andre Ward
8. Carl Froch
9. Amir Khan
10. Victor Ortiz
11. Bernard Hopkins
12. Yuriokis Gamboa
13. Vitali Klitschko
14. David Haye
15. Timothy Bradley

It is a disgrace for anyone to have Miguel Cotto in the top 15.

Of course it is PBF

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Of course it is PBF

Beating a totally shot Mayorga and a nobody like Foreman does not give you a spot in the pound for pound top 15.

The genius of PBF wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Of course it is PBF

Beating a totally shot Mayorga and a nobody like Foreman does not give you a spot in the pound for pound top 15.

They are far from his biggest wins. I would say Cotto has a far stronger claim to a top 15 placing than David Haye. If you are using last couple of fights as your basis then Haye has been comprehensively beaten by Klitschko and holds a meaningless win over Harrison. Certainly dont see how that rates ahead of Cotto.

PBF, I don't mean to be rude, and I respect your opinion and your right to express it, but you do seem to be getting a bit hot under the collar about Cotto while simultaneously putting Floyd at the top of your list when Floyd has been missing nearly as long as Lord Lucan.

Seems a tad inconsistent, mate.

Colonial Lion wrote:

The genius of PBF wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Of course it is PBF

Beating a totally shot Mayorga and a nobody like Foreman does not give you a spot in the pound for pound top 15.

They are far from his biggest wins. I would say Cotto has a far stronger claim to a top 15 placing than David Haye. If you are using last couple of fights as your basis then Haye has been comprehensively beaten by Klitschko and holds a meaningless win over Harrison. Certainly dont see how that rates ahead of Cotto.

Haye has been the man at one weight something Cotto has never done and never likely to do...Haye got beat by a great fighter in Wladimir Klitschko no shame in that and also never quit like Miguel.

Only one time Cotto deserved to be in the top 10 was when he beat Mosley.

HumanWindmill wrote:PBF, I don't mean to be rude, and I respect your opinion and your right to express it, but you do seem to be getting a bit hot under the collar about Cotto while simultaneously putting Floyd at the top of your list when Floyd has been missing nearly as long as Lord Lucan.

Seems a tad inconsistent, mate.

Even with the timeout Cotto hasn't beat a p4p fighter or became the man at one weight since Floyd Mayweather's break from the sport...Floyd Mayweather last 2 opponents have been in the pound for pound list...Also in Marquez's case he still on there.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Nonito Donaire
7. Andre Ward
8. Carl Froch
9. Amir Khan
10. Victor Ortiz
11. Bernard Hopkins
12. Yuriokis Gamboa
13. Vitali Klitschko
14. David Haye
15. Timothy Bradley

Other than Hopkins, Martinez and Marquez how many of the above are currently the man at their weight?

Cottos losses: Pacquaio, Margarito

Hayes losses: Klitschko, Thompson

Cotto has the much superior wins despite not being the man at the weight.

You seem to have some kind o agenda against Cotto. I can understand reasons for excluding him from the top 15, but certainly not at the expense of the likes of Haye or even Ortiz who also quit, lost to a mediocre fighter and has yet to be the man at any weight. It seems highly inconsistent.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Nonito Donaire
7. Andre Ward
8. Carl Froch
9. Amir Khan
10. Victor Ortiz
11. Bernard Hopkins
12. Yuriokis Gamboa
13. Vitali Klitschko
14. David Haye
15. Timothy Bradley

Other than Hopkins, Martinez and Marquez how many of the above are currently the man at their weight?

Bradley was the number 1 at 140 now Khan is
Haye the man at cruiserweight
Vitali and Wlad have been the man at heavyweight
Ward and Froch top 2 in their weight have beaten quality like Pascal, Abraham and Kessler
Gamboa and Donaire the best at their weight
Ortiz beat the highly rated Berto

Nice schooling you again Ghosty

How many of them are the man at their weight, the fully legitimate universally recognised top guy because a quick scan of the 154lb division rankings show the following:

1. Miguel Cotto

Now that puts him on a level playing field with the likes of Khan, Gamboa and Donaire does it not?

Vitali and Wlad are collectively the divisions top two but it's impossible to say either is the man nor can we say that Ortiz is the man when he's currently not ranked number one.

Nice try schooling me but it seems as though you have one rule for Cotto and another for everyone else

Can't agree Khan is the man at 140, call me old school but in order to be the man you have to beat the man. Also cruiser is a long time ago for Haye, dear god how long is he going to be able to live off his exploits at cruiser.

That makes no sense. To be the man at the weight you have to be clearly recognised as the number 1. Cotto has just as good a claim as Khan, Ortiz, Vitali, Froch, Bradley, Ward etc none of whom have proved they are the clear number 1.

Ortiz solitary win over Berto and status as the third best in his own division by your own ratings also contradicts your own point. How can a guy whos not even second best at his weight, has few top level wins and was recently defeated in similar circumstances to Cotto be more worthy?

Haye was the man at cruiserweight about 3 years ago. Now hes a mid top ten ranked heavyweight.

Cant understand your logic on this one.

Roy Jones is still active Rowley, can we bump him up the ranking based on his career pre Tarver or how about digging up the corpse of Sugar Ray Robinson.

Not everyone would have Khan "the man". Haye was the man at CW some 4 years ago. If we're including Cotto's past CV then we're including the WW decision over Mosley and the great run at LWW surely. If we're being consistent.

No arguments regarding Vitali and Wlad having been "the man", nor Ward, Froch, Gamboa or Donaire.

However - Ortiz - much as I like the kid, quit at 140 and did very well to beat Berto - who was NOT p4p at 147. Foreman was "highly rated" - Cotto, who is not a natural light middle by any means schooled him.

Your list is full of double standards - and I would disagree with it. Cotto is p4p top 15 for sure.

The genius of PBF wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:PBF, I don't mean to be rude, and I respect your opinion and your right to express it, but you do seem to be getting a bit hot under the collar about Cotto while simultaneously putting Floyd at the top of your list when Floyd has been missing nearly as long as Lord Lucan.

Seems a tad inconsistent, mate.

Even with the timeout Cotto hasn't beat a p4p fighter or became the man at one weight since Floyd Mayweather's break from the sport...Floyd Mayweather last 2 opponents have been in the pound for pound list...Also in Marquez's case he still on there.

But Mayweather hasn't fought at all, has he ?

Imperial Ghosty wrote:How many of them are the man at their weight, the fully legitimate universally recognised top guy because a quick scan of the 154lb division rankings show the following:

1. Miguel Cotto

Now that puts him on a level playing field with the likes of Khan, Gamboa and Donaire does it not?

Vitali and Wlad are collectively the divisions top two but it's impossible to say either is the man nor can we say that Ortiz is the man when he's currently not ranked number one.

Nice try schooling me but it seems as though you have one rule for Cotto and another for everyone else

How is Cotto rated number one at 154?

Wins over Mayorga and Foreman does not make you the man at the weight.

Khan's wins over Maidana, Kotelnik and Judah is superior to Cotto's

Same with Bradley as he has wins over Devon Alexander

Donaire has beaten pound for pound Montiel.

No bias from me