Official 606V2 Top 15 Pound for Pound Rankings (Please submit VOTES)

It's time for the third official 606V2 POUND FOR POUND Top 15 rankings.

Rules:
-Only 1 post per 606 member.
-Only active fighters allowed (must of fought in the last 12 months unless officially retired eg David Haye)
-Outlandish listing’s will be DQ.

Principles:
Your Top 15 should be based as at the current point in time.

Point Scoring System:
Quite simple, #1 scores 15 points, #2 scores 14 points etc… I will tally up the totals by the deadline date and will present the results (using my Excel wizardry).

NOTE: PLEASE TRY AND USE FULL NAMES & LIST NAMES!

For the record, the previous Top 15 606v2 P4P rankings as at 27th July 2011 was:

1 Manny Pacquiao (1)
2 Sergio Martinez (2)
3 Nonito Donaire (3)
4 Juan Manuel Marquez (5)
5 Floyd Mayweather Jr (4)
6 Wladimir Klitschko (9)
7 Yuriorkis Gamboa (6)
8 Bernard Hopkins (12)
9 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (7)
10 Carl Froch (10)
11 Amir Khan (17)
12 Andre Ward (14)
13 Timothy Bradley (8)
14 Giovanni Segura (11)
15 Miguel Cotto (16)


16 Vitali Klitschko (15)
17 Toshiaki Nishioka (21)
18 Victor Ortiz (New)
19 Robert Guerrero (19)
20 Chris John (13)
21 David Haye (18)
22 Jean Pascal (re-entry)
T23 Lucian Bute (20)
T23 Brandon Rios (New)
T23 Roman Gonzalez (New)

Legend: (previous ranking- 18th April 2011)*

Deadline Tuesday COB pending on number of votes.

Floyd Mayweather Jr
Manny Pacquiao
Nonito Donaire
Sergio Martinez
Yuriorkis Gamboa
Juan Manuel Marquez
Vitali Klitschko
Wladimir Klitschko
Andre Ward
Bernard Hopkins
Timothy Bradley
Amir Khan
Lucian Bute
Giovanni Segura
Carl Froch

1 Floyd Mayweather
2 Manny Pacquiao
3 J.M Marquez
4 Nonito Donaire
5 Sergio Martinez
6 Giovanni Segura
7 Ponkasalek Wonjongkam
8 Wladimir Klitschko
9 Bernard Hopkins
10 Carl Froch
11 Vitali Klitschko
12 Yuriorkis Gamboa
13 Andre Ward
14 Amir Khan
15 Kazuto Ioka

prettyboykev wrote:1 Floyd Mayweather
2 Manny Pacquiao
3 J.M Marquez
4 Nonito Donaire
5 Sergio Martinez
6 Giovanni Segura
7 Ponkasalek Wonjongkam
8 Wladimir Klitschko
9 Bernard Hopkins
10 Carl Froch
11 Vitali Klitschko
12 Yuriorkis Gamboa
13 Andre Ward
14 Amir Khan
15 Kazuto Iota

Are you serious about Ioka? I had to google the guy, he's only had 8 fights at minimum weight! Albeit, he is an alphabet champion.

Is it possible if you could provide a sound reasoning behind your choice? I may ask you to put someone else forward as P15.

Have you watched him? He's very good and for a kid that inexperienced to win and defend a World title is some ask. After 6 fights guys are still fighting 6 rounders and this kid is winning 12 round World title fights. Future P4P#1 imo. What's the problem with minimumweight?

1 manny pacqiaou
2 floyd mayweather
3 nonito donaire
4 sergio martinez
5 juan manuel marquez
6 yuriokis gamboa
7 giovanni segura
8 wladimir klitschko
9 bernard hopkins
10 ponkaslek wonjongkam
11 carl froch
12 amir khan
13 andre ward
14 timothy bradley
15 vitali klitschko

so hard as theres not too much to pick between with most of them.

ATG you question me on Ioka yet you have no Wonjongkam but you can find a place for Bradley, Bute and Ward and Segura isn't in your top 10 are you having a laugh?

i cant for the life of me put bute in my top 15... he has his toughest fight coming up and its johnson... not fought enough quality


what you reckon to my list?

We had the same names but in different orders except I left out Bradley and put in Ioka. I put Froch in my top 10 because i never wanted both Klitschkos in it.

Hopkins at 46 is still P4P top 10! The guy is older than my Mum and Dad!

1 Manny Pacquiao
2 Floyd Mayweather Jr
3 Sergio Martinez
4 Nonito Donaire
5 Yuriorkis Gamboa
6 Juan Manuel Marquez
7 Giovanni Segura
8 Wladimir Klitschko
9 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
10 Amir Khan
11Toshiaki Nishioka
12 Andre Ward
13 Robert Guerrero
14 Carl Froch
15 Timothy Bradley

1. Pacquaio
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Donaire
5. Marquez
6. Gamboa
7. Wonjongkam
8. W Klitschko
9. Khan
10. Segura
11. Ward
12. Froch
13. Bradley
14. Nishioka
15. Guerrero

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr
2 Manny Pacquiao
3 Nonito Donaire
4 Sergio Martinez
5 Juan Manuel Marquez
6 Amir Khan
7 Yuriorkis Gamboa
8 Wladimir Klitschko
9 Toshiaki Nishioka
10 Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
11 Carl Froch
12 Andre Ward
13 Vitali Klitschko
14 Robert Guerrero
15 Bernard Hopkins

Feel free to pick holes, I figured I could spend days on this and still not be happy so, instead, have spent about ten minutes. Hopefully, when everything is compiled it'll help make the reight decision.

I'm still amazed that anyone can rank Mayweather #1 after so many absences, and having done nothing to remove Pacquaio from that berth.

Pacquaio's recent fights haven't exactly been 50/50 matchups, but we must remember that Mayweather's haven't, either. People built Ortiz up after his win against Berto, but I'd suggest watching the Ortiz vs Peterson fight that wasn't all too long ago, which does show that Ortiz is a pretty average fighter overall, whose best chance may be in a tear up - something which Floyd would never have given him.

As opposed to criticising the two, it is more a case of 'unless they fight each other then they won't have a 50/50 fight'. Therefore, it is impossible for Floyd to displace Manny until he fights him really, unless he were to move up and take out Martinez, that would get him to #1 for sure, but at welterweight there isn't another legitimate fight.

However, should Manny lose to Marquez then naturally Floyd moves to #1, and I feel Marquez has a lot more chance than some people are giving him here. I expect Pacquaio to win, but there is life in the old Mexican warrior yet, rest assured of that.

I'm just calling it how I see it and really think Floyd is the better fighter. What has Manny done really other than be more active? And even then against a very debatable quality in Clottey and Margarito. It's a pick 'em those 1, 2 positions, you can argue it either way and I prefer Floyd's defensive skills.

1) Floyd Mayweather Jr
2) Sergio Martinez
3) JMM
4) Nonito Donaire
5) P Wonkigkjamthingy
6) Carl Froch
7) Andre Ward
8) Bhop
9) Gamboa
10) Wlad Kbro
11) Nishioka
12) Segura
13) Guerrero
14) Vitali Kbro
15) Tim Bradley

He has better overall depth to his record, for a start. Also, he is 'the man' during Floyd's absences. To be the man you've got to beat the man, or at least beat better opponents than 'the man' has, and Floyd has done neither.

Not disputing that Floyd isn't the better boxer, Manny is the better fighter (though should they meet the better boxer will probably edge the better fighter, for me - styles make fights).

Not sure about that, Floyd beat Hatton at Hatton's prime. Made JMM look silly, likewise Mosely (off the back of an impressive win). I don't buy into the depth argument.

As I say though, until they fight the arguement rumbles on.

I wouldn't pick Bradley at all, Hopkins gets a token gesture and anyone who leaves Khan out needs their head tested.

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Sergio Martinez
4. Nonito Donaire
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7. Vitali Klitschko
8. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
9. Andre Ward
10. Carl Froch
11. Bernard Hopkins
12. Amir Khan
13. Timothy Bradley
14. Yuriorkis Gamboa
15. Lucian Bute

KingMonkey wrote:Not sure about that, Floyd beat Hatton at Hatton's prime. Made JMM look silly, likewise Mosely (off the back of an impressive win). I don't buy into the depth argument.

As I say though, until they fight the arguement rumbles on.

I wouldn't pick Bradley at all, Hopkins gets a token gesture and anyone who leaves Khan out needs their head tested.

Hatton was fighting we welterweight where he had never looked impressive, whereas Manny crushed him at LWW where he was undisputably the man. Floyd was all wrong for JMM, as he does everything that JMM does but better, counter puncher vs counter puncher, the smaller, slower man would never have a chance, especially when forced to fight in a style foreign to him..the aggressor. Mosley was shot by then, the Margarito fight was a one off I think it's safe to assume, and was under dodgy circumstances of it's own.

Manny's Cotto win is better than anything on Floyd's recent record, I'd say.

As you can see above it's easy to pick holes in peoples records, but the pure fact is that Floyd hasn't done anything miles above and beyond what Manny has done, and therefore it is impossible for him to usurp Manny as the #1 at this point in time, in my book.

I didn't even put Manny in my list. Kind of forgot. Oh well.

A conscious error, Coxy?

Fists of Fury wrote:A conscious error, Coxy?

I can barely walk in a straight line this morning

Been down the Blue Oyster?

To say Mosley was shot is an incredible exaggeration, he had just leathered Margarito all over the place. He was, however, shot when Manny fought him. But it's fair to say I'm splitting hairs as you are with the Hatton comparison.

I do agree about Manny and his Cotto win, it's probably the most credible between them both but I don't really see it too far ahead of Floyd and Ortiz.

We could be here all day.....

Scottrf wrote:Been down the Blue Oyster?

God knows

KingMonkey wrote:To say Mosley was shot is an incredible exaggeration, he had just leathered Margarito all over the place. He was, however, shot when Manny fought him. But it's fair to say I'm splitting hairs as you are with the Hatton comparison.

I do agree about Manny and his Cotto win, it's probably the most credible between them both but I don't really see it too far ahead of Floyd and Ortiz.

We could be here all day.....

It is all circumstantial though, KM, and the fact that Margarito had just been caught with the dodgy wraps may have contributed toward his abject performance that night. I do however think that was just one last hoorah from Mosley though, as he had shown to be shot against Mora where he was incredibly fortunate to pull out a last gasp stoppage win despite performing terribly. The Mosley against Floyd and the Mosley against Manny looked exactly the same, old, slow, over the hill and gun shy, to my eyes.

You're right though, we could be here all day, however I just thought it'd be worth explaining why I believe that Floyd hasn't quite done enough to remove Manny from the #1 spot that he gained during Floyd's absence, given that Manny has fought a similar level of opposition and had no slip ups or blips of his own.

That's all fair enough mate, as I said I could have analysed my decisions for days and still not been happy but instead opted for a ten minute blast whilst trying to take personal preferences into account as well as recent records.

Bottom line is that I think Floyd is better than Manny.

prettyboykev wrote:ATG you question me on Ioka yet you have no Wonjongkam but you can find a place for Bradley, Bute and Ward and Segura isn't in your top 10 are you having a laugh?

No, I'm not having a laugh, as this exercise is meant to spark debate but with the general concensous winning. My concern for Ioka is that I didn't want to place a fighter in our listing who no one has ever heard of. Agreed, he appears to have pedigree but I don't think it's right to make someone a P4P #15 after less than 10 fights having beaten no one of note.

Re: Pongsaklek Wonjongkam, my reasoning for his omission is that he never fights outside of Thailand (or rarely ventures out of Thailand). I appreciate his long standing record, feel free to educate me why he should be in my top 15. However, I struggle to place someone who doesn't appear to travel or move up in weight to take on significant challenges.

Re: Ward. He's beaten Kessler, still undefeated and I believe he will win the super 6. I could be wrong but that's why he's in my top 10.

Re: Segura. Agreed he could make it higher up the rankings, I think with a bit more media coverage he could well soon be pushing the top 6.

Re: Bute. I think he will be the man at LHW once Hopkins decides to call it a day, or starts to show signs of regression. The Johnson vs Bute fight should be a good barometer as to how good Bute really is.

Re: Bradley. He beat the then #2 in the LWW division. Although a contest with Khan down the line could alter this...


It's all swings and roundabouts, that's the beauty/ controversy of a mythical P4P list.

All Time Great wrote:Re: Pongsaklek Wonjongkam, my reasoning for his omission is that he never fights outside of Thailand (or rarely ventures out of Thailand). I appreciate his long standing record, feel free to educate me why he should be in my top 15. However, I struggle to place someone who doesn't appear to travel or move up in weight to take on significant challenges.

Naito and Kameda are both top wins, he's one of the only genuine champions, unbeaten for years.

Scottrf wrote:

All Time Great wrote:Re: Pongsaklek Wonjongkam, my reasoning for his omission is that he never fights outside of Thailand (or rarely ventures out of Thailand). I appreciate his long standing record, feel free to educate me why he should be in my top 15. However, I struggle to place someone who doesn't appear to travel or move up in weight to take on significant challenges.

Naito and Kameda are both top wins, he's one of the only genuine champions, unbeaten for years.

Thanks mate, I'll extend my research once I've got a few minutes. Would be interested to see your top 15.

ATG- Bute has beat no one. I'm not a fan I don't think Johnson will beat him he's well past it.

Ward made mine my problem wasn't with his inclusion more the exclusion of Wonjongkam.

Bradley would have been pushing into mine but he's had a pretty poor last year even though he did beat Alexander who was number 2 at 140lbs until Khan beat Maidana that's why Bradley vs Alexander wasn't for the ring belt.

As for Wonjongkam he's one of the most credible champions in the sport. He's a flyweight I don't see how him being a one weight fighter works against him. The problem with the travelling is that he makes good money in Thailand more than he would make in the States so why travel?

1) Manny Pacquiao
2) Floyd Mayweather
3) Nonito Donaire
4) Juan Manuel Marquez
5) Sergio Martinez
6) Yuriorkis Gamboa
7) Wladimir Klitschko
8) Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
9) Giovanni Segura
10) Bernard Hopkins
11) Toshiaki Nishioka
12) Carl Froch
13) Amir Khan
14) Andre Ward
15) Tim Bradley

All Time Great wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

All Time Great wrote:Re: Pongsaklek Wonjongkam, my reasoning for his omission is that he never fights outside of Thailand (or rarely ventures out of Thailand). I appreciate his long standing record, feel free to educate me why he should be in my top 15. However, I struggle to place someone who doesn't appear to travel or move up in weight to take on significant challenges.

Naito and Kameda are both top wins, he's one of the only genuine champions, unbeaten for years.

Thanks mate, I'll extend my research once I've got a few minutes. Would be interested to see your top 15.

And he schooled Edgar Sosa in his last fight. And he beat Kameda in Japan

88Chris05 wrote:1) Manny Pacquiao
2) Floyd Mayweather
3) Nonito Donaire
4) Juan Manuel Marquez
5) Sergio Martinez
6) Yuriorkis Gamboa
7) Wladimir Klitschko
8) Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
9) Giovanni Segura
10) Bernard Hopkins
11) Toshiaki Nishioka
12) Carl Froch
13) Amir Khan
14) Andre Ward
15) Tim Bradley

Nishioka is a great shout. Theirs a chance him and Kameda could fight next year Kameda's looking to move up to 122lbs the bantamweight tournament froze him out.

1 Pacquiao
2 Mayweather
3 Donaire
4 Martinez
5 Marquez
6 Gamboa
7 W. Klitschko
8 Wonjongkam
9 Hopkins
10 Segura
11 Ward
12 Bradley
13 Froch
14 Khan
15 Rios

the reasoning behind bute is daft ATG... No offense but because you think he might do something in the future is a bit daft...

also you blast wonjonkam for being a stay at home fighter when bute dips his toe out call me...

but as these are subjective its easy to let slide, why you want to attack other peoples top 15s for having someones name in that you havent heard of is beyond me.

kev clearly knows a lot about boxing and probably more than anyone i know on the lower weights and if you want peoples genuine top 15 then perhaps you shouldnt attack peoples...

AlexHuckerby wrote:the reasoning behind bute is daft ATG... No offense but because you think he might do something in the future is a bit daft...

also you blast wonjonkam for being a stay at home fighter when bute dips his toe out call me...

but as these are subjective its easy to let slide, why you want to attack other peoples top 15s for having someones name in that you havent heard of is beyond me.

kev clearly knows a lot about boxing and probably more than anyone i know on the lower weights and if you want peoples genuine top 15 then perhaps you shouldnt attack peoples...

It's about time someone said it!

prettyboykev wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:the reasoning behind bute is daft ATG... No offense but because you think he might do something in the future is a bit daft...

also you blast wonjonkam for being a stay at home fighter when bute dips his toe out call me...

but as these are subjective its easy to let slide, why you want to attack other peoples top 15s for having someones name in that you havent heard of is beyond me.

kev clearly knows a lot about boxing and probably more than anyone i know on the lower weights and if you want peoples genuine top 15 then perhaps you shouldnt attack peoples...

It's about time someone said it!

I apologise if it came across as an attack. Kev is obviously knowleable about the lower weight classes, and I accept more so than me. My point was, a fighter whose had 8 fights, all in Japan against Japanese opposition has made it into his top 15 vs more renowned up and coming stars such as Rios and Alverez.

It wasn't a pop in the slightest, but no one has picked Ioka thus far and Bute has received a couple of votes- therefore, his inclusion is warranted. The real debate should commence once we have the final results.

I personally was wrong about Paul Williams, who was in my top 7 P4P list over a year ago. Now he wouldn't feature in my top 30.

My point is, keep the listings sensible and I'll accept the one point given to Ioka. Please continue posting your top 15s, as without a large sample, this task is not worthwhile.

Cheers

ATG

All Time Great wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:the reasoning behind bute is daft ATG... No offense but because you think he might do something in the future is a bit daft...

also you blast wonjonkam for being a stay at home fighter when bute dips his toe out call me...

but as these are subjective its easy to let slide, why you want to attack other peoples top 15s for having someones name in that you havent heard of is beyond me.

kev clearly knows a lot about boxing and probably more than anyone i know on the lower weights and if you want peoples genuine top 15 then perhaps you shouldnt attack peoples...

It's about time someone said it!

I apologise if it came across as an attack. Kev is obviously knowleable about the lower weight classes, and I accept more so than me. My point was, a fighter whose had 8 fights, all in Japan against Japanese opposition has made it into his top 15 vs more renowned up and coming stars such as Rios and Alverez.

It wasn't a pop in the slightest, but no one has picked Ioka thus far and Bute has received a couple of votes- therefore, his inclusion is warranted. The real debate should commence once we have the final results.

I personally was wrong about Paul Williams, who was in my top 7 P4P list over a year ago. Now he wouldn't feature in my top 30.

My point is, keep the listings sensible and I'll accept the one point given to Ioka. Please continue posting your top 15s, as without a large sample, this task is not worthwhile.

Cheers

ATG

I put Ioka in because his achievement of winning a World title in his eighth fight with no real amateur pedigree is some feat. The lad is extremely talented. I know no one else will vote for him not many have probably ever watched him. But maybe my inclusion of him will make a few people take a look at him.

Don't get caught up on Asian fighters not leaving Asia especially the smaller guys the make very good money over there more than they would make in the U.S so there is no need to travel.

prettyboykev wrote:

All Time Great wrote:

prettyboykev wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:the reasoning behind bute is daft ATG... No offense but because you think he might do something in the future is a bit daft...

also you blast wonjonkam for being a stay at home fighter when bute dips his toe out call me...

but as these are subjective its easy to let slide, why you want to attack other peoples top 15s for having someones name in that you havent heard of is beyond me.

kev clearly knows a lot about boxing and probably more than anyone i know on the lower weights and if you want peoples genuine top 15 then perhaps you shouldnt attack peoples...

It's about time someone said it!

I apologise if it came across as an attack. Kev is obviously knowleable about the lower weight classes, and I accept more so than me. My point was, a fighter whose had 8 fights, all in Japan against Japanese opposition has made it into his top 15 vs more renowned up and coming stars such as Rios and Alverez.

It wasn't a pop in the slightest, but no one has picked Ioka thus far and Bute has received a couple of votes- therefore, his inclusion is warranted. The real debate should commence once we have the final results.

I personally was wrong about Paul Williams, who was in my top 7 P4P list over a year ago. Now he wouldn't feature in my top 30.

My point is, keep the listings sensible and I'll accept the one point given to Ioka. Please continue posting your top 15s, as without a large sample, this task is not worthwhile.

Cheers

ATG

I put Ioka in because his achievement of winning a World title in his eighth fight with no real amateur pedigree is some feat. The lad is extremely talented. I know no one else will vote for him not many have probably ever watched him. But maybe my inclusion of him will make a few people take a look at him.

Don't get caught up on Asian fighters not leaving Asia especially the smaller guys the make very good money over there more than they would make in the U.S so there is no need to travel.

I agree mate, and thanks for sharing your knowledge re: Ioka.

My only concern with Asian fighters (I'm Asian myself btw) is that they don't fight very regularly against international opposition. Therefore, their records do seem to be padded out slightly. Also, they have to fight regularly to make ends meet- from a neutrals prospective I would like to see them in the States showing their skills.

However, that's a whole new debate. Let's get this top 15 rolling!

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Donaire
4. Martinez
5. W Klitschko
6. Gamboa
7. Ward
8. Marquez
9. Bradley
10. V Klitschko
11. Wonjongkam
12. Khan
13. Froch
14. Segura
15. Guerrero

1. Pacquioa
2. Mayweather
3. Donaire
4. Marquez
5. Martinez
6. W Klichko
7. V Klichko
8. Ward
9. Gamboa
10. Bradley
11. Froch
12. Brook
13. Khan
14. Segura
15. Rios

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Nonito Donaire
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Yuriokis Gamboa
7. Wlad Klitschko
8. Carl Froch
9. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
10. Bernard Hopkins
11. Amir Khan
12. Andre Ward
13. Humberto Soto
14. Miguel Cotto
15. Timothy Bradley

manos de piedra wrote:1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Donaire
4. Martinez
5. W Klitschko
6. Gamboa
7. Ward
8. Marquez
9. Bradley
10. V Klitschko
11. Wonjongkam
12. Khan
13. Froch
14. Segura
15. Guerrero

Bradley beneath Khan, and Marquez one above him with both Vitali and WonJongKam at 8 and 9 respectively for me. Sorry, I am knackered.

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nonito Donaire
3. Floyd Mayweather Jr
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Yuriorkis Gamboa
7. Carl Froch
8. Timothy Bradley
9. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
10. Bernard Hopkins
11. Amir Khan
12. Andre Ward
13. Giovani Segura
14. Wladimir Klistchko
15. Robert Guerrero

I know not having Mayweather in the top 2 might make me look foolish, but the P4P level of opposition along with activity swing it clearly in Nonito's favour for me. Sice 2010 Donaire's had 5 fights. In that time he's dominated a top guy in Marquez (who hasn't looked like being beaten since) totally slaughtered a top ten (at the time) P4P fighter in Montiel, looked similarly invincible against a very genuine champion in Sydorenko and effortlessly shut out the unbeaten, reigning super flyweight champion.

In this time Mayweather has recovered from a couple of scares to dominantly beat Mosely (who has since had a draw against a less than top class fighter and a bad, bad loss to Pacquiao) and comfortably beat Ortiz. Neither of these are as good individual wins as Montiel, nor does he have extra quantity of wins. So that's why Donaire is ahead of Mayweather for me. Had it not been for the "retirements" Mayweather would still be ahead without a doubt, but in the time Mayweather was away Nonito hit a purple patch of form and I don't see why Mayweather has a divine right to be in the top 2 just because of what he was before.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nonito Donaire
3. Floyd Mayweather Jr
4. Sergio Martinez
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Yuriorkis Gamboa
7. Carl Froch
8. Timothy Bradley
9. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
10. Bernard Hopkins
11. Amir Khan
12. Andre Ward
13. Giovani Segura
14. Wladimir Klistchko
15. Robert Guerrero

I know not having Mayweather in the top 2 might make me look foolish, but the P4P level of opposition along with activity swing it clearly in Nonito's favour for me. Sice 2010 Donaire's had 5 fights. In that time he's dominated a top guy in Marquez (who hasn't looked like being beaten since) totally slaughtered a top ten (at the time) P4P fighter in Montiel, looked similarly invincible against a very genuine champion in Sydorenko and effortlessly shut out the unbeaten, reigning super flyweight champion.

In this time Mayweather has recovered from a couple of scares to dominantly beat Mosely (who has since had a draw against a less than top class fighter and a bad, bad loss to Pacquiao) and comfortably beat Ortiz. Neither of these are as good individual wins as Montiel, nor does he have extra quantity of wins. So that's why Donaire is ahead of Mayweather for me. Had it not been for the "retirements" Mayweather would still be ahead without a doubt, but in the time Mayweather was away Nonito hit a purple patch of form and I don't see why Mayweather has a divine right to be in the top 2 just because of what he was before.

That appears to be fair and educated to me JBW. For me, if Donaire moves to featherweight and beat Gamboa, he'd be pushing P1. He certainly is the real deal, and genuinely looks like the man who could break the incumbent top 2.

Interesting to see many have Mayweather as their P1.

Waingro wrote:1. Pacquioa
2. Mayweather
3. Donaire
4. Marquez
5. Martinez
6. W Klichko
7. V Klichko
8. Ward
9. Gamboa
10. Bradley
11. Froch
12. Brook
13. Khan
14. Segura
15. Rios

suprisingly not awful... until you read 12...

The pound for pound list to me is a list that is really a snapshot of how good you rate fighters, as opposed to where their acheivements rank.

Unless you think Donaire is actually a better fighter than Mayweather, then I think its difficult to rate him higher than Mayweather as I just think Mayweather is the better fighter.

1. Pacquiao
2.Mayweather
3. Donaire
4. Martinez
5. Marquez
6. W.Klitschko
7. Gamboa
8. Bradley
9. Froch
10. Ward
11. Wongjongkam
12. Segura
13. Nishioka
14. V Klitschko
15. Khan

1)Floyd Mayweather
2)Manny Pacquiao
3)Nonito Donaire
4)Sergio Martinez
5)Juan Manuel Marquez
6)Yuriorkis Gamboa
7)Andre Ward
8)Wladamir Klitchsko
9)Amir Khan
10)Timothy Bradley
11)Carl Froch
12)Guerrero
13)Bute
14)Matthyse
15)Rios