We Go Again! The Premier League thread

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 25 Apr 2016, 5:58 pm

First topic message reminder :

I'm shocked!

by Ent Tue 10 May 2016, 8:06 pm

United bus attacked, have to survey damage. Anything more than a few projectiles from idiots and I'd expect severe punishment for West Ham.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue 10 May 2016, 8:13 pm

Its bottles being thrown. United and the police were "naive" at best to turn up late as they did and not have much police presence.

It'll be p!ssed up morons.

by Fernando Tue 10 May 2016, 8:40 pm

West Ham 1-0 Man Utd - Sakho

by GSC Tue 10 May 2016, 8:43 pm

City fans rejoice

by Guest Tue 10 May 2016, 8:49 pm

And that's why Carroll is not in the England frame

by Fernando Tue 10 May 2016, 8:52 pm

Yet it was still better then Wayne Rooney's shot Laugh

by Corporalhumblebucket Tue 10 May 2016, 9:33 pm

Great to hear the Blowing bubbles song ringing out.....

by Fernando Tue 10 May 2016, 9:39 pm

West Ham 1-1 United - Martial

by Guest Tue 10 May 2016, 9:58 pm

Unlucky Pep. Shocking keeping

by Guest Tue 10 May 2016, 10:02 pm

2-2 Valencia's marking picard

by Fernando Tue 10 May 2016, 10:07 pm

3-2 - Reid

Hello Pep Laugh

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 10 May 2016, 10:08 pm

Daley Blind has been an unmitigated disaster tonight

by Guest Tue 10 May 2016, 10:09 pm

Antonio Valencia giving away the free kick & his shocking marking for the second goal

by NickisBHAFC Tue 10 May 2016, 10:10 pm

Fantastic game and a fitting tribute to a fantastic stadium. Just a shame this evening is going to be over shadowed by a group of idiots.

by Corporalhumblebucket Tue 10 May 2016, 10:10 pm

A fitting final game at the Boleyn Ground. clap

by GSC Tue 10 May 2016, 10:16 pm

Pep currently staring at Teletext

by Corporalhumblebucket Tue 10 May 2016, 10:24 pm

by Marky Tue 10 May 2016, 10:26 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:Just a shame this evening is going to be over shadowed by a group of idiots.

Blame Van Gaal. He picked them Ok!

by **Hero** Tue 10 May 2016, 10:27 pm

Marky wrote:
NickisBHAFC wrote:Just a shame this evening is going to be over shadowed by a group of idiots.

Blame Van Gaal. He picked them

by Fernando Tue 10 May 2016, 10:29 pm

Fergie doing some tapping up....Pochettino's assistant was there too.
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by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue 10 May 2016, 10:36 pm

Emotional.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue 10 May 2016, 10:39 pm

Like that game will ever be clouded by the nonsense at the start. I had tears in my eyes and my heart was pounding.

by GSC Tue 10 May 2016, 10:52 pm

Arsenal now qualify for the CL, require a point against Villa to skip the early rounds.

City will qualify for the CL barring a loss to Swansea and United loss.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Tue 10 May 2016, 10:56 pm

Ummm, if they both lose and we win 15-0 we get fourth.

by GSC Tue 10 May 2016, 11:14 pm

I hope that happens and you win 15-1

by GSC Tue 10 May 2016, 11:15 pm

Does make the weekends shellacking even more galling, would be level on points with City.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 11 May 2016, 12:15 am

As is West Ham. Given a choice I'd have taken winning that game over making top four.

by Ent Wed 11 May 2016, 4:24 am

So bus is fairly badly damaged (windows smashed), members of the public (West Ham fans) and a police officer injured.

What punishment would be suitable?

Fine is pointless.

Points, transfer ban etc would just encourage other idiots to act out and try and get other clubs in trouble.

I think first game of next season behind closed doors.

by GSC Wed 11 May 2016, 7:04 am

Fine and suspended stadium banwould suffice

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 11 May 2016, 7:15 am

Would be so over the top. A fine will do it. It's not exactly gonna happen again is it?

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 11 May 2016, 7:23 am

Although not surprising he hasn't talked about the actual game.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 11 May 2016, 7:33 am

GSC wrote:Fine and suspended stadium banwould suffice

Agree with this

by westisbest Wed 11 May 2016, 9:08 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Would be so over the top. A fine will do it. It's not exactly gonna happen again is it?

Dont think its over the top.

Lets hope that kind of carry on doesnt happen again, anywhere. Its a fkn disgrace.

These idiots need to be made an example of.

by **Crimey** Wed 11 May 2016, 9:09 am

It's going to be life bans for anybody caught.

by **Hero** Wed 11 May 2016, 10:15 am

Love how Sullivan played it down as the bus wasn't damaged etc and it was Utd's fault.
A club run by hooligans for hooligans.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 11 May 2016, 12:46 pm

Shut up. I am going to keep it as nice as that.

You give the man no credit to even see the blooming actions. He probably thought it was media blowing it all out of proportion. They've released a statement since saying they will chase life bans for those involved. After that, what can we do? We aren't the police, we don't control Green Street as a club.

You want that stuff not to happen? Police it properly, with adequate numbers and no aggressive tactics that an obviously overwhelmed police force always resort to with football fans.

Manchester United can take some blame for again this season turning up late as they can at a stadium. Third time at least, born of arrogance.

And as ever you punish the imbeciles, not just tarnish a club and a group of people. We want to learn lessons from football's ugly past but by god people are ignorant on it.

But a club with its own very disgusting history of hooliganism, airbrushed by success on the pitch and full of fans who can only make any noise when they're laughing at dead men from Liverpool.

I do presume those asking for behind closed doors games will also be after the same for Spurs and Arsenal after fighting at their place. Or no away fans to travel thanks to the Chelsea fans who smashed windows around East London and forced the local community to put hoardings around the statues of the World Cup boys in Green Street as they attempted to paint it blue.

There was a historic occasion there last night, and the same people who seemed to boil their own p*ss out of us making a big deal about it also seem desperate to ignore it and make out war was started on the streets by 50,000 West Ham fans. All you need is a quip about th taxpayers and you'll have become the puppets of the media.

Inexcusable actions of the few. Hate mongering afterwards has never worked well in the past and won't work well here or in the future. Embarrassing

by **Crimey** Wed 11 May 2016, 12:56 pm

It's a bit silly though that the first thing you said is blaming Manchester United for turning up later. It's the fault of those fans, it was incredibly stupid and dangerous. To try and shift the blame to the team bus arriving later is making excuses for them.

Trying to brush it under the carpet doesn't work either and that's what your owner originally did, perhaps led by wrong information, and it is what you have tried to do on here. I think the game was overshadowed by those events for everybody but West Ham fans, it ruined it. Was hard for a neutral to be particularly emotional about the fans moving stadium when hours before they had shown the bad side of football fans.

by kingraf Wed 11 May 2016, 12:59 pm

Dolph is not in the best position to make unbiased comments. Giving it a fair shake though

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 11 May 2016, 1:01 pm

I haven't tried to brush it under the carpet, it happened and is inexcusable. As the chairman said when he got the time on a hectic night.

But some of the stuff said by some people is at best ignorant and more likely classless

by **Hero** Wed 11 May 2016, 1:09 pm

Sorry Dolph but if what happened last night was at Anfield and the chairman had immediately come out as Sullivan did and laid blame at the opposition and downplayed the event then you would all over it like a rash.

by Scott is Back Wed 11 May 2016, 1:09 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I haven't tried to brush it under the carpet, it happened and is inexcusable. As the chairman said when he got the time on a hectic night.

But some of the stuff said by some people is at best ignorant and more likely classless

I know your not renowned for your unbiased debate, but if the chairman didnt know the extent of what happened, then keep your mouth shut until you know the facts....or be a bit media savvy, and say you dont know the extent and will provide a statement when he does!

Pathetic fans, and pathetic to even try and defend it...

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 11 May 2016, 1:22 pm

Im not defending it, its pathetic that actually being reasonable in discussion of it is seen as defending it.

Liverpool 1) nothing to do with it. 2) I would have accepted some circumstance to it.

Frankly, you are ignoring what he has done since because of what he said once. Which is low, because you are informed and choosing to ignore it. He had right to assume United were somewhat at fault, they have history this season for it. If they hadnt the arrogant attitude they have then it would likely have been avoided.

Equally, policing has to be spoken about.

And finally, to tarnish a club because of a sour incident is pathetic and loaded, loaded comments purposefully billed to wind me up a touch too. To call me a hooligan by proxy, a majority of fans hooligans who I know are not, to call Sullivan it basically cos he made money in porn. Bias is laced all over comments and its as much from others as it is me. Sorry to give the other side of an argument, but what do you expect? I'm not gonna let people chat nonsense about my club without comment.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 11 May 2016, 1:27 pm

Crimey wrote:It's a bit silly though that the first thing you said is blaming Manchester United for turning up later. It's the fault of those fans, it was incredibly stupid and dangerous. To try and shift the blame to the team bus arriving later is making excuses for them.

Trying to brush it under the carpet doesn't work either and that's what your owner originally did, perhaps led by wrong information, and it is what you have tried to do on here. I think the game was overshadowed by those events for everybody but West Ham fans, it ruined it. Was hard for a neutral to be particularly emotional about the fans moving stadium when hours before they had shown the bad side of football fans.

To shift the blame to the club and every fan is worse from my side.

And I can speak collectively for the fans and say none of us care about how the neutral felt about it our last night at our ground.

by **Crimey** Wed 11 May 2016, 1:31 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Crimey wrote:It's a bit silly though that the first thing you said is blaming Manchester United for turning up later. It's the fault of those fans, it was incredibly stupid and dangerous. To try and shift the blame to the team bus arriving later is making excuses for them.

Trying to brush it under the carpet doesn't work either and that's what your owner originally did, perhaps led by wrong information, and it is what you have tried to do on here. I think the game was overshadowed by those events for everybody but West Ham fans, it ruined it. Was hard for a neutral to be particularly emotional about the fans moving stadium when hours before they had shown the bad side of football fans.

To shift the blame to the club and every fan is worse from my side.

And I can speak collectively for the fans and say none of us care about how the neutral felt about it our last night at our ground.

I don't think the club is blamed, nor is every fan. I think you're trying to deflect away from the truth which is that the blame lies entirely on those fans, there was no defending it and Manchester United arriving late is not even close to being an excuse. They will hopefully be rightly banned and the West Ham fanbase will be better for it, but the fact that you have brought up a few excuses hardly makes you seem condemning of those fans.

Yes but you must understand that for most, it was completely overshadowed, which you denied earlier in this thread. Maybe not for you, but I think it was overshadowed and in the future it will be what a lot of people remember of the event. It's a shame that a historic moment was overshadowed by those actions, I think accepting 100% that they were to blame is what should happen rather than trying to deflect it to smaller contributing factors.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 11 May 2016, 1:37 pm

Crimey wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Crimey wrote:It's a bit silly though that the first thing you said is blaming Manchester United for turning up later. It's the fault of those fans, it was incredibly stupid and dangerous. To try and shift the blame to the team bus arriving later is making excuses for them.

Trying to brush it under the carpet doesn't work either and that's what your owner originally did, perhaps led by wrong information, and it is what you have tried to do on here. I think the game was overshadowed by those events for everybody but West Ham fans, it ruined it. Was hard for a neutral to be particularly emotional about the fans moving stadium when hours before they had shown the bad side of football fans.

To shift the blame to the club and every fan is worse from my side.

And I can speak collectively for the fans and say none of us care about how the neutral felt about it our last night at our ground.

I don't think the club is blamed, nor is every fan. I think you're trying to deflect away from the truth which is that the blame lies entirely on those fans, there was no defending it and Manchester United arriving late is not even close to being an excuse. They will hopefully be rightly banned and the West Ham fanbase will be better for it, but the fact that you have brought up a few excuses hardly makes you seem condemning of those fans.

Yes but you must understand that for most, it was completely overshadowed, which you denied earlier in this thread. Maybe not for you, but I think it was overshadowed and in the future it will be what a lot of people remember of the event. It's a shame that a historic moment was overshadowed by those actions, I think accepting 100% that they were to blame is what should happen rather than trying to deflect it to smaller contributing factors.

You'll need to read back, Crimey. Hooligan owners for a hooligan set of fans/hooligan club.

I'm explaining it Crimey. You're just going base at what happened. I am telling you why. I have constantly said it is inexcusable, but I cannot debate this if you are going to just assume I am defending it because I'm a West Ham fan. They are reasons it happened, and should not be ignored. I am annoyed it happened for many reasons, and having been at a game where it kicked off appallingly in the past I was livid with the policing as much as I was with the fans. We are seeing currently the impact of washing an event away because of a set of fans, it is not clever.

I don't care about other fans, Crimey. I didnt when I commented then, I don't know. How you remember our last game means nothing to me. It was our night. It isnt historic for you lot, so theres nowt to overshadow. For the people who will forever remember it there was no chance the idiocy of a few will overshadow it. You're gonna have to get your head around that before discussing this with me.

I cannot debate it if you just assume talking about it without saying "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS" every five seconds means I loved what happened.

by **Hero** Wed 11 May 2016, 1:39 pm

It's all very well backtracking as he has today, the comments were already out there, you yourself were saying yesterday on FB...
"it'll be egged up as I've seen as the bus was "smashed up" - which it wasn't. There's gonna be some intensity and emotional people everywhere, I guess I'm not surprised."
In reply to "It is smashed!!!" you state:
"It's not a smoking wreck struggling down the road like GTA though is it"

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 11 May 2016, 1:40 pm

You seem to think i'm debating whether it was awful. It was.

It was also one incident, in an environment the club has no control over. Bans from the ground? Not strong enough, its a police matter, far more than a club one.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 11 May 2016, 1:43 pm

I'd only seen bits of it then, and frankly you can wonder whether I want stuff on my facebook posted on here either.

Smashed up was the terminology I was battling with at the time though. Which my point at the end there, to friends I hasten to add and people you have no idea my relationship to comment with.

But hey, thats obviously worse than how you've labelled the club and fans. And thrown in fully well knowing it would wind me up and cause me to react. No respect for me, let alone the club.

by **Crimey** Wed 11 May 2016, 1:53 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I'm explaining it Crimey. You're just going base at what happened. I am telling you why. I have constantly said it is inexcusable, but I cannot debate this if you are going to just assume I am defending it because I'm a West Ham fan. They are reasons it happened, and should not be ignored. I am annoyed it happened for many reasons, and having been at a game where it kicked off appallingly in the past I was livid with the policing as much as I was with the fans. We are seeing currently the impact of washing an event away because of a set of fans, it is not clever.

It happened because those fans were idiots who wanted to be "hard". The things you're saying are excuses and not very good ones. I don't think you're defending it, but you're trying to shift the blame from the bad fans to the police and to Manchester United - which is deflecting the real issue. From the videos I saw the police were simply stood in front of the bus, deflecting the things being thrown. What did they do at this game that forced those fans to start throwing things at the bus? What part of the bus being late made those fans throw the things?

Putting the focus on those two factors is deflecting from the fact that the fans were 100% in the wrong and those things did not cause them to do it.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Wed 11 May 2016, 1:56 pm

I need to do some actual planning with my PPA. As a basic point:

Disappointed with the idiots who did it
Don't think the club should be blamed as a whole entity
Sullivan has corrected mistakes by delivering strong message with full knowledge, and is human so will make mistakes answering questions on the spot.
Policing was disappointing.
Man United were naive a,d a touch foolish.
Still inexcusable, but more a police matter than a club matter.
A neutral tarnished view doesnt worry me, so I cant really care about that. And I will forever remember the game and ceremonies, the nonsense from idiots won't ruin something very special for me.
Be careful tarnishing a whole club and fan group due to idiots, we have a lot of history that shows this isnt wise.

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