Froch Vs Groves - Ringside

JabMachineMK2 wrote:Admittedly I didn't watch the whole thing - but anyone picking Groves - you'll have to go into some more detail as to what you're basing your decision on because I think you'll look pretty silly after the fight.

Lets look at it this way (btw I dislike Froch but he is a superb boxer) Groves hasn't fought anyone at Froch's level. Nobody. He fought an old Glen Johnson who is a tough customer, but thats it. Name someone at Froch's level. You can't. Name a performance befitting that of a world class boxer. You can't. Unless Groves thinks he's Andre Ward which he clearly isn't - he doesn't have a hope in hell. The closest we saw was Kessler and Froch put that to bed in the last fight. Is Groves as good as Kessler? No. Not close.

I think people are getting carried away. Froch hasn't slipped an inch. He's not in the same stratosphere as Ward, but few are. Groves is at least 4/5 fights away from being able to take on Froch, this jump in class has come too soon.

milkyboy wrote:Think hammersmith and I have had this out a few times. I saw this as froch being pretty much outclassed for the first half of the fight then coming back into it and gradually taking over. How close you have it depends on how you have those closer middle rounds, it's pretty much impossible to have froch up unless you are the blind judge.

Some people see this as a masterplan from froch, perfectly executed. Others, myself included, see Taylor just gassing rather than froch doing anything much different. There are obvious parallels with the other Taylor v Chavez... Great credit to the guy who kept coming on strong, but a sense that no one chooses to leave it that late. There is an argument that with Taylor prone to gassing, that froch conserved energy early doors... and I'm sure he hoped to take over the later rounds... But you can't base your strategy on needing a last round ko.

Froch was relatively green at the top level at that time but really the whole fight sums him up... He's a capable boxer at the top level but slick fighters will make him look clumsy.. But he's tough as old boots and will keep coming at you. He takes great credit for the Taylor fight, but when you look at Taylor, dirrell, ward... Talented boxers will give froch serious trouble... He may only have lost one in the record books, but he was 15 seconds and a different set of judges from losing all 3.

tunes666 wrote:When Groves has fought better opposition his power has not been as present. Against Degale I did not recall Degale being hurt once, and against Johnston while he is known for being very tough Groves did not stop him despite several onslaughts against a static old man... So for me Why is he going to suddenly stop Froch who has a very good chin and loads of heart?

Groves has been rocked by Paul Smith and knocked down by Anderson where he was very nearly stopped.

So I think the only way Groves can win is by boxing at a distance and going for a points win. But Im not convinced he can outbox Carl for 12 rounds, maybe a few he can, but not 12. And when Froch Starts to land and get inside so far I have seen nothing from Groves to suggest he is going to be able to take it.

So I am going for a first 4 or 5 rounds to be very exciting with Froch having his hands full and then he will step on the Gas and dig in, and he will end up topping Groves late in the fight, around rnd 9.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I had it 105-103 to Taylor going into the last so very much in the balance for me.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:I'm with you on the KO Sean, I see this going 6 or 7 rounds at most. Groves can take a fair whacking but I'm not sure Froch will be interested in letting this go to points.

hogey wrote:

Nico the gman wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Froch has fought two limited guys back to back If we are honest...........

He didn't have to find Bute or Kessler...........So he may look like a man in his prime but looks can be deceiving.......

Groves has to make him miss and fight at a good pace..........establish a jab

Hope he can.........Hope he wins.

The only man to outclass Froch is Ward but Wards done that to every fighter his come up against.
Froch has fought superbly in his last 2 fights and many tipped Bute to beat Froch.Groves should have been testing himself against world class fighters before stepping in with Froch.

Too be fair for 90% of the fight Jermaine Taylor utterly outclassed Froch much more than even Ward did, Ward completely controlled him without breaking sweat, in the first fight when both were at their peak i thought Kessler clearly beat him and if the Dirrell fight had been anywhere else in the world Froch may well have lost. He is a very good fighter who has exciting fights but he is definitely beatable and i will not be surprised at all if Groves walks away with the belt.  

hogey wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I had it 105-103 to Taylor going into the last so very much in the balance for me.

Glad you are not a judge fella  
How you have a man who has not had a sniff of even a shared round in the first 7 and has been knocked down only 2 points behind after 11 is baffling even Frochs girlfriend would not have scored it that close, and the judge that had him ahead should have been thrown out of boxing. Even some of the rounds between 8-11 could have been scored for Taylor if you liked the extra quality of his work as opposed Frochs aggression. Even if you give Froch all those rounds he was still at least 4 behind going into the 11th.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

hogey wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I had it 105-103 to Taylor going into the last so very much in the balance for me.

Glad you are not a judge fella  
How you have a man who has not had a sniff of even a shared round in the first 7 and has been knocked down only 2 points behind after 11 is baffling even Frochs girlfriend would not have scored it that close, and the judge that had him ahead should have been thrown out of boxing. Even some of the rounds between 8-11 could have been scored for Taylor if you liked the extra quality of his work as opposed Frochs aggression. Even if you give Froch all those rounds he was still at least 4 behind going into the 11th.

I don't like bring up outside sources but press row had it the same as me, a draw or a one point fight to Froch, Bernstein also had it 105-103, it's not an outlandish view in my opinion.

88Chris05 wrote:I'd have trouble giving Froch anything in the first seven, really. Think I might have had the eighth even. I thought Froch definitely won the ninth, tenth and eleventh of pressure and also thanks to Taylor gassing, but that'd still leave Carl with a big deficit against him.

I remember that fight. Wasn't shown on TV on the night, of course, but I managed to avoid finding out the result all the way through to Sunday night when ITV4 showed it. I was going absolutely mental in that twelfth round!

88Chris05 wrote:I'd have trouble giving Froch anything in the first seven, really. Think I might have had the eighth even. I thought Froch definitely won the ninth, tenth and eleventh of pressure and also thanks to Taylor gassing, but that'd still leave Carl with a big deficit against him.

I remember that fight. Wasn't shown on TV on the night, of course, but I managed to avoid finding out the result all the way through to Sunday night when ITV4 showed it. I was going absolutely mental in that twelfth round!