Scott Quigg Retains WBA Title.

by **hampo17** Sun 06 Oct 2013, 10:55 am

By Paul Hampton

The show was called “Carpe Diem”, but questions remained whether Scott Quigg could seize the day, and finally call himself a true world champion.

Scott Quigg was up against Yoandris Solina, the Cuban amatuer star, for the WBA Super Bantamweight Title recently vacated by Guillermo Rigondeaux. Both fighters where unbeaten and it was expected that the Cuban would give Quigg his hardest test to date, his slippery style and experience from over 300 amatuer fights was bound to have some influence on this fight.

It was a cagey start to the fight, both fighters trying to establish control through the jab, and it was the Cuban that was able to gain some elements of control earlier. It became clear early that the Englishman was going to have to through combinations and push the tempo to unsettle his opponent, as the battle of the jabs was only going one way. A body shot troubled Salinas in the second, causing him to complain to the referee that it was an illegal shot, but early on the raiding tactics used by Quigg meant the fight was at a slow pace allowing Salinas time to pick his shots and fight the way he wanted too.

Going in to the fourth Quigg started to up the pace, landing little but clearly outworking his opponent. Yet again Salinas found an answer in the sixth, keeping Quigg on the end of a sharp, accurate jab not allowing him to up the pace or get close enough to land.

As the rounds went on Quigg started to up the pace again, unsettling Salinas and forcing him to stand and trade going in to the eleventh round. Quigg was thumping home body shots at this point, but there was an anxious moment for the crowd and for Eddie Hearn at ringside as he was sent tumbling to the canvas in the final round, only for it be correctly ruled a slip by the referee.

As the bell went both fighters claimed victory, celebrating with their corners and acknowledging what had been a fantastic crowd at the O2, the scores read; judge: Jean-Louis Legland 114-114, judge: Leszek Jankowiak 114-114, judge: Ruben M. Garcia 115-113.

“I feel I won the fight,” said Quigg afterwards. “I feel I won it by a round or two rounds.

“I stuck to the gameplan for five or six rounds. We knew we were going to be sharp early on and I couldn’t have gone how I did in the last five rounds like that from the start because I would have been picked off.

“We stuck to the plan. It felt like I was in control all the way through. Obviously I’m gutted that I didn’t get the win.

“I’ve just been in with a world class fighter. He had 300 odd amateur and I had 12 and I belong at world level and I think I just proved that.”

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by milkyboy Sun 06 Oct 2013, 11:37 am

hampo171 wrote:
The show was called “Carpe Diem”, but questions remained whether Scott Quigg could cease the day, and finally call himself a true world champion.
When the result was announced it certainly seemed like he'd ceased the day, not seized it hampo. Could have heard a pin drop!

by **hampo17** Sun 06 Oct 2013, 11:38 am

that's what you get for writing at midnight I suppose.

by Hammersmith harrier Sun 06 Oct 2013, 11:41 am

Bit of a spoiler isn't it.

by jimdig Sun 06 Oct 2013, 11:44 am

I didn't see the quigg fight. Did he do enough to win? Was it a hard fight to score? Close/clear rounds?

by **hampo17** Sun 06 Oct 2013, 11:47 am

The scoring was fair Jim, I had Quigg two rounds up but he left his push for the win too late in my opinion. Could have forced a stoppage had he pushed the pace earlier.

by wheelchair1991 Sun 06 Oct 2013, 11:48 am

I thought quigg won by a round but cant really complain at a draw. It really annoyed me that sky kept bigging it up as a world title fight though and as for scott quigg saying he is a world champion he surely knows deep down he is not

by jimdig Sun 06 Oct 2013, 11:50 am

Thanks hampo.

by milkyboy Sun 06 Oct 2013, 11:55 am

hampo171 wrote:

that's what you get for writing at midnight I suppose.

Done thousands myself mate, just thought this one was apt.

I had it a draw. The cards were fair in my view, think it was quite easy to score. Just a couple of rounds that could have gone either way... The rest were fairly clear.

by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Sun 06 Oct 2013, 11:57 am

I had a 10er on each for points...... Sad

Just knew deep to my bones it would get called a draw. Bloomin raging!!!!

by azania Sun 06 Oct 2013, 12:09 pm

Fair result even though I had Quigg edging it. Can't complain. Pity Frampton ducked him by scurrying off to the dark side of boxnation.

by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Sun 06 Oct 2013, 12:10 pm

azania wrote:Fair result even though I had Quigg edging it. Can't complain. Pity Frampton ducked him by scurrying off to the dark side of boxnation.

by KingMonkey Sun 06 Oct 2013, 2:28 pm

So is Quigg champion or not? He drew? How can he..... Actually, you know what? Sod it. I'm past caring.

by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Sun 06 Oct 2013, 2:43 pm

He said he won't feel like a true champion until he wins his belt in the ring......even though he was already upgraded to 2nd class stamp champion.

Then he draws (NOT WINS) and says he now feels like the champion. The arena was silent just like the Burn's fight.

But Eddie Lizard Ear will have his work cut out trying to avoid the Rigo fight which HAS to take place within the next 6-12 months.

He could maybe pull out his pocket book of excuses he uses with Froch....

"~~Andre Ward~~ Rigo needs ~~Carl Froch~~ Scott Quigg, ~~Carl Froch~~ Scott Quigg doesn't need ~~Andre Ward~~ Rigo"

by azania Sun 06 Oct 2013, 3:09 pm

KingMonkey wrote:So is Quigg champion or not? He drew? How can he..... Actually, you know what? Sod it. I'm past caring.

Quigg is a very decent world Paper champion.

Froch is the best paper champion there has ever been.

by Hammersmith harrier Sun 06 Oct 2013, 3:18 pm

A paper champion wins his title outside the ring like Quigg, Froch beat the champion to win his belt so he's not a paper champion.

by azania Sun 06 Oct 2013, 3:26 pm

Froch is a paper champion because the real champion is Ward. I don't pay too much attention to belts etc. You have Champions, Best in weight and Paper Champions. Wlad, Ward, Floyd are champions. Stephenson et al are best in weight. Quigg, Froch, Vitali etc are paper champions.

by Hammersmith harrier Sun 06 Oct 2013, 3:44 pm

Nope you are wrong, a paper champion wins on paper hence the term.

by azania Sun 06 Oct 2013, 3:50 pm

I know what the term is. But with the plethora of belts the meaning has widened, hence Froch qualifies.

by Hammersmith harrier Sun 06 Oct 2013, 4:06 pm

The meaning is what it is, the term has widened, it is as it has always been.

by mobilemaster8 Sun 06 Oct 2013, 4:21 pm

Froch knocked out an undefeated fighter in Bute to rip his IBF belt off him. Wlad holds that belt at Heavy, lets not ignore that.

He also won the WBA title off Kessler (all be it the regular belt) but hey, at least he fought a top notch opponent for it unlike that thick jerk Quigg.

He sounds soooo dense after and before his fights.

world champ my arse. HE is the BIGGEST joke in boxing at the moment if you look at the so called champs.

by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Sun 06 Oct 2013, 4:36 pm

6-12 months though until the Rigo fight has to be made. Lets see what Eddie has to say

by Hammersmith harrier Sun 06 Oct 2013, 5:03 pm

Quigg is no worse than most others, you're going over the top MM8.

by azania Sun 06 Oct 2013, 5:11 pm

mobilemaster8 wrote:Froch knocked out an undefeated fighter in Bute to rip his IBF belt off him. Wlad holds that belt at Heavy, lets not ignore that.

He also won the WBA title off Kessler (all be it the regular belt) but hey, at least he fought a top notch opponent for it unlike that thick jerk Quigg.

He sounds soooo dense after and before his fights.

world champ my arse. HE is the BIGGEST joke in boxing at the moment if you look at the so called champs.

Yep. World's best paper champion.

by Hammersmith harrier Sun 06 Oct 2013, 5:17 pm

Garbage Az, a paper champion is quite self explanatory and no amount of pitiful argument is going to change that.

by **ShahenshahG** Sun 06 Oct 2013, 5:20 pm

Belt holder rather than paper champion I'd have thought - he earned the belt - paper champion makes it seem like he was gifted it- but Ward is unquestionably the King of SMW so he is the Champion

by KingMonkey Sun 06 Oct 2013, 8:48 pm

How did he earn the belt?

by azania Sun 06 Oct 2013, 9:00 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:Belt holder rather than paper champion I'd have thought - he earned the belt - paper champion makes it seem like he was gifted it- but Ward is unquestionably the King of SMW so he is the Champion

To me a belt holder is when there isn't a noticeable standout champion. At smw that obviously isn't the case. Froch is the best warrior paper champion.

by catchweight Sun 06 Oct 2013, 9:04 pm

Is there a definition of a paper champion? I would have thought a paper champion would mean:

Hes a champion on paper. i.e he can technically call himself a champion

But the implication being hes only a champion on paper and not really a champion in practice.

by Izzi Sun 06 Oct 2013, 9:10 pm

azania wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:Belt holder rather than paper champion I'd have thought - he earned the belt - paper champion makes it seem like he was gifted it- but Ward is unquestionably the King of SMW so he is the Champion
To me a belt holder is when there isn't a noticeable standout champion. At smw that obviously isn't the case. Froch is the best warrior paper champion.

So by your slightly illogical/farcical reasoning Vitali is a paper champ as he's not #1 in the division? Erm..... Not been here long but would assume you to be the board wum?

by catchweight Sun 06 Oct 2013, 9:18 pm

Being a champion and not being number 1 in the division is whats illogical to me.

by mobilemaster8 Mon 07 Oct 2013, 7:59 am

I put it like this:

to be a paper champ, you are promoted to champ status based on nothing. Having fought no real credible opponents or having fought for a recently vacated title against again, an unworthy challenger.

For example, Saul Alvarez fighting Matthew Hatton to become the holder.

Scott Quigg being a champ having fought nobody

Alexander Povetkin having fought nobody.

Carl Froch won his against Pascal, a credible name. Lost it to Kessler then took out Bute and defended against Kessler and Mack.

How is he a paper champ?

by STC Mon 07 Oct 2013, 9:01 am

Froch is a paper WBA champion, but a legit IBF champion. Quigg is a paper WBA champion who won his 'title' in the ring by drawing against somebody nobody had ever heard of.

Gotta love the WBA.

by mobilemaster8 Mon 07 Oct 2013, 9:09 am

Agreed STC. Until he beats Ward, he cant, for me, be classed as the WBA champ.

He can be classed as the IBF champ though, and deservedly so.

Scott Quigg is just a bum who beat a random Cuban.

Funny after when he said he felt he could now be the champ and that he deserved it but yet prior to the contest he said he wont touch the belt until he has won.

Well err you didn't win Scott so put the belt down and pipe down whilst your at it.

by Scottrf Mon 07 Oct 2013, 9:12 am

A bum? Have some respect FFS.

by Rowley Mon 07 Oct 2013, 9:19 am

Scottrf wrote:A bum? Have some respect FFS.

Well said Scott, do not have any problem with folk being critical of the alphabet soup drivel that is the belts, but Quigg does not deserve that kind of abuse. Turns up in shape, works hard, does not brawl at press conferences or slap his missus about outside the ring and rarely hear him trash talk opponents in the press. May not go on to prove he is the best in his division but is by no means a bum, irresepctive of what you think of his belt.

by STC Mon 07 Oct 2013, 9:22 am

I feel sorry for Quigg. Is he a world champion or not?

It's not his fault he's in the position he's in. The ironic thing is that most had him winning the fight by a couple of rounds, so he did win his 'title' even though the score cards say he drew. But even though he drew, he still won the 'title'.

But what title did he win?

No wonder he's confused.

by TopHat24/7 Mon 07 Oct 2013, 10:36 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:A paper champion wins his title outside the ring like Quigg, Froch beat the champion to win his belt so he's not a paper champion.

Please don't drag this up again. We'll just have another 5 pages of Az being a tw*t again.....

by huw Mon 07 Oct 2013, 10:52 am

I actually thought Quigg had done just enough but it was a close fight. Would have been shocked if Solina was given the decision.

Going to regret this but I'd actually agree with Az on this, I feel that a paper champion is a champion in their division but not the best there, hence a champion on paper only.

This is probably down to me being old fashioned and expecting boxers to want to prove they are the best by beating the other champions.

by mobilemaster8 Mon 07 Oct 2013, 11:12 am

Wow. Sorry for the "bum" remark.

But its personal opinion, just like Brook.

I personally don't rate Quigg, yes he turns up in shape and does not brawl at conferences, but so does Audley Harrison and he is a bum.

This forum has gone uber soft lately. Jeez.

by KingMonkey Mon 07 Oct 2013, 11:17 am

Gallagher's first world champ though eh... what a story.... *rolls eyes*

I like watching Quigg, he's a good fighter and the potential fight with Frampton could be superb. But the Gallagher's gym love-in just seems to continue with a stream of nonsenses. The WBA regular title in itself is a nonsense, to be handed it is a nonsense and to draw meaning you declare that you've won it must be the biggest nonsene of all.

by Hammersmith harrier Mon 07 Oct 2013, 11:53 am

Harrison was not a bum either, you don't become British and European champion by being a bum. Nobody who boxes should be insulted with the term bum.

by STC Mon 07 Oct 2013, 11:57 am

Orlando Cruz likes the term 'bum'.

by TopHat24/7 Mon 07 Oct 2013, 11:59 am

Low.....

by mobilemaster8 Mon 07 Oct 2013, 12:02 pm

My god hammer get off your high horse.

Its people like you who drag forums down a peg or ten.

I have an opinion, just like you do.

Im sorry, but Audley Harrison was a wasted talent who achieved next to nothing, lost against poor calibre opposition, didn't fulfill his destiny, threw 3 punches in a world title bout, got sparked in 20 seconds by a prospect, won the euro belt against a poor fighter......id call him a bum.

Or to be politically correct, a massive under achiever and waste of time for the sport of boxing.

obviously that's a glorified version of someone's behind (2 cheeks)....

Didn't think the term would offend you.

by wheelchair1991 Mon 07 Oct 2013, 12:02 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Harrison was not a bum either, you don't become British and European champion by being a bum. Nobody who boxes should be insulted with the term bum.

I agree quigg and in fact any boxer doesn't deserve to be criticised as a bum

by Hammersmith harrier Mon 07 Oct 2013, 12:07 pm

I would say Harrison achieved more than 90% of boxers, Olympic gold, British champion, European champion and world title challenger. He like every other boxer is not a bum, what drags forums down is when people like you feel the need to overstate every point they make.

by mobilemaster8 Mon 07 Oct 2013, 12:08 pm

Okay then wheelchair. I think Audley Harrison is a flop, a cop out, a waste of talent.

I will surrender the word bum because you ladies get offended to much by a word most 7 year olds use at primary school as a swear word.

by mobilemaster8 Mon 07 Oct 2013, 12:10 pm

Hammer, how am i over stating my points? IM just entitled to my opinion and the term "bums" is used regularly within boxing.

I just didn't know it offended you, but now i know, i wont use it and will refer to a "flop" or similar.

by hazharrison Mon 07 Oct 2013, 12:10 pm

STC wrote:Froch is a paper WBA champion, but a legit IBF champion. Quigg is a paper WBA champion who won his 'title' in the ring by drawing against somebody nobody had ever heard of.

Gotta love the WBA.

They're both paper champions.

The champions are Rigo and Ward.

They are merely titlists (top contenders in old money).

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