Barker-Sturm Announced: Stuttgart, Dec 7th

Shame Darren has to travel but that's where the money is apparently. Neutral officials and a two fight deal by all accounts with the return in London in March assuming its viable.

Should be a good fight. 12 rounds written all over it.

Yeh id agree with that King.

12 Rounder all the way, nobody is getting stopped here I wouldn't have thought.

My only concern when it was announced a little earlier is that its in Stuttgart?

Suppose its where the money Is like you say, but you would never see Ward coming to the UK for it and he would get more money as well.

Odd.

According to Eddie Barker has been offered a million to go to Germany, Eddie said he left it up to him but like he says a million is life changing money so you have to give him the opportunity. If he has secured neutral judges and a guaranteed rematch clause guess he has done as good a job as can be expected to insulate Barker against nonsense. Suspect he will also be conscious that he cannot risk another PPV over here and so will not be able to match such a purse.

Barker on ppv. Now that would be make a good Aprils Fools joke from Eddie.

How much longer can the domestics middleweights go on ignoring each other by the way? I think they have shot themselves in the foot by not creating domestic fan interested rivalries. It seems like we get Sturm or Martinez against one them every other month.

Shame for barker it's another away fight. Hopefully being champ can raise him another level. I have a feeling the geale performance could be his pinnacle. Although strum should be on the slide now.

Big mistake going to Germany...........Judges there had Hitler winning in 1945.......

One defence only for Barker it seems..

Rowley wrote:If he has secured neutral judges and a guaranteed rematch clause guess he has done as good a job as can be expected to insulate Barker against nonsense.

What a generously English assessment of you, Jeff. Shall we also send over Captain Mainwaring to make sure those pesky Germans don't annex all our hotel rooms whilst the fight is on.

What clauses do we think Felix will want added to the return in London? Although maybe he won't bother as overseas fighters never get shafted over here.

Is this a mandatory for dazzling?

I love the phrase "he has secured neutral judges" by the way. Funny when you think about it.

catchweight wrote:I love the phrase "he has secured neutral judges" by the way. Funny when you think about it.

It is indeed, the inference being there are any other sort is kind of frightening.

Hope the judges are fair. We need British standard judging. Where is iJL?

CJ Ross is available now that she will never get a fight in the U.S again.

I thought all judges are supposed to be neutral.......Surely ???

If you aren't neutral does that mean you can trash a guy as much as you like and know you're going to lose the round........and it's okay......

The alphabet boys should be employing honest types......and suspending scum..

They should experiment with having 5 judges.

catchweight wrote:CJ Ross is available now that she will never get a fight in the U.S again.

Just like Pierre Benoist didn't ref again after Williams 119-110 Martinez? Don't count on it.

Geale got the decision in Germany against Sturm. Murray got a fair result too. Ok, Macklin got shafted hard, but I think recent decisions have been (surprisingly) reasonable. Hopefully Barker will be given the same respect.

If not he's always got the equitable, faultless, flawless, honest, honourable, impartial, nonpartisan, objective, peerless, professional, respected, sincere, straight, trustworthy, unbiased judging of a UK rematch to look forward to.

Scottrf wrote:

catchweight wrote:CJ Ross is available now that she will never get a fight in the U.S again.

Just like Pierre Benoist didn't ref again after Williams 119-110 Martinez? Don't count on it.

She has quit because they wont renew her licence in Neveda.

Not sure if this is common knowledge but CJ Ross was asked at the end of the fight before scores were announced who she thought had won, she thought Mayweather won the fight.

She had scored the fight 6 rounds each but as the cards are handed to the referee at the end of each round & passed on to someone to tally up she had mentally lost track of what she had been scoring. Don't know what she was watching to score 6 to Alvarez anyway but point is she thought Mayweather had won the fight but she had scored even so obviously something's wrong with the system. And it isn't just that women are scoring fights

Interesting article here: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/the-pugilist/fix-boxing-judging-problem-102421982.html

catchweight wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

catchweight wrote:CJ Ross is available now that she will never get a fight in the U.S again.

Just like Pierre Benoist didn't ref again after Williams 119-110 Martinez? Don't count on it.

She has quit because they wont renew her licence in Neveda.

She hasn't quit, she's just lying low until it blows over.

DynamiteChris wrote:Not sure if this is common knowledge but CJ Ross was asked at the end of the fight before scores were announced who she thought had won, she thought Mayweather won the fight.

She had scored the fight 6 rounds each but as the cards are handed to the referee at the end of each round & passed on to someone to tally up she had mentally lost track of what she had been scoring. Don't know what she was watching to score 6 to Alvarez anyway but point is she thought Mayweather had won the fight but she had scored even so obviously something's wrong with the system. And it isn't just that women are scoring fights

Interesting article here: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/the-pugilist/fix-boxing-judging-problem-102421982.html

Rounds are scored in isolation so in theory it's perfectly reasonable that you score it a draw but believe one of them had the better of the fight.

I wise man once told me that women have no place in the ring.

Unfortunately for Barker this whole german episode comes from him being.........

1. Hard to market............Hence sturm's backers can win the purse bids........

2. The weakest champion at the weight.......Must have been a mad rush by the top 10 contenders to get him to sign........

seanmichaels wrote:I was man once

Told you he was ONETWO's alias..

Scottrf wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

catchweight wrote:CJ Ross is available now that she will never get a fight in the U.S again.

Just like Pierre Benoist didn't ref again after Williams 119-110 Martinez? Don't count on it.

She has quit because they wont renew her licence in Neveda.

She hasn't quit, she's just lying low until it blows over.

No her licence is up at the end of the year, its not going to be renewed so she fell on her own sword rather than face the indignity of being fired.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

seanmichaels wrote:I was man once

Told you he was ONETWO's alias..

No aliases here chunk.

Scottrf wrote:

DynamiteChris wrote:Not sure if this is common knowledge but CJ Ross was asked at the end of the fight before scores were announced who she thought had won, she thought Mayweather won the fight.

She had scored the fight 6 rounds each but as the cards are handed to the referee at the end of each round & passed on to someone to tally up she had mentally lost track of what she had been scoring. Don't know what she was watching to score 6 to Alvarez anyway but point is she thought Mayweather had won the fight but she had scored even so obviously something's wrong with the system. And it isn't just that women are scoring fights

Interesting article here: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/the-pugilist/fix-boxing-judging-problem-102421982.html

Rounds are scored in isolation so in theory it's perfectly reasonable that you score it a draw but believe one of them had the better of the fight.

Exactly, flawed isn't it.

Did you read the article though the link? There's some interesting ideas on how to tweak it

catchweight wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Scottrf wrote:

catchweight wrote:CJ Ross is available now that she will never get a fight in the U.S again.

Just like Pierre Benoist didn't ref again after Williams 119-110 Martinez? Don't count on it.

She has quit because they wont renew her licence in Neveda.

She hasn't quit, she's just lying low until it blows over.

No her licence is up at the end of the year, its not going to be renewed so she fell on her own sword rather than face the indignity of being fired.

When have you known a judge to be fired? She also hasn't quit, it's indefinitely leave aka lying low.

She's taken a leave of absence, she'll be back soon enough.

DynamiteChris wrote:Exactly, flawed isn't it.

Did you read the article though the link? There's some interesting ideas on how to tweak it

Not yet, but I've heard a lot of ideas before, scoring down to 10-7 without knockdowns etc.

CJ Ross was one the flawed. That was an easy fight to score. It wasnt the system at fault in that fight.

CJ Ross wont be back in Nevada in a big fight. That much is sure. Her leave is absence is because she knows her judging licence is not getting renewed.

Jerry Roth hasn't struggled to get fights after he scored the Abril fight to Rios, the fact this is a big fight won't stop her getting jobs in the future, history tells us as much.

Poor old CJ Ross she's only getting it because Mayweather is the only star of Boxing so she's been highlighted.......

No fuss was made of the muppets who robbed Whittaker against Ramirez ( I gave every round to Pernell as did many others) or the guy who had Chavez up against Meldrick.......

Shocking decisions are standard..........She is one of many..........Perhaps being a woman she is getting more than her fair share..

Wish I could say the same about the red dragon........

catchweight wrote:How much longer can the domestics middleweights go on ignoring each other by the way? I think they have shot themselves in the foot by not creating domestic fan interested rivalries. It seems like we get Sturm or Martinez against one them every other month.

If Barker wins Murray v Macklin should be set up as an eliminator for a shot at Barker.

catchweight wrote:CJ Ross wont be back in Nevada in a big fight. That much is sure.

Are you new to boxing? I find that remarkably naive.

Id disagree Scott, her recent scoring has been absolute toss and potentially cost punters a hell of a lot of money on stupid and ridiculous scoring of one sided fights.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Id disagree Scott, her recent scoring has been absolute toss and potentially cost punters a hell of a lot of money on stupid and ridiculous scoring of one sided fights.

Is she the first? Can you name a single judge who has been fired in the past?

Lets not forget that she wasn't the only judge to score it to Bradley. The other was punished by being sent into the obscurity of...Mayweather vs Guerrero.

IM not saying she is mate, but some judges need to take a long hard look in the mirror sometimes because their scoring is absolutely ridiculous.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Poor old CJ Ross she's only getting it because Mayweather is the only star of Boxing so she's been highlighted.......

And how about how she scored her last fight of the only contender for Floyd's p4p crown the last decade??!

How about it..

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Jerry Roth hasn't struggled to get fights after he scored the Abril fight to Rios, the fact this is a big fight won't stop her getting jobs in the future, history tells us as much.

Two howlers in huge fights and her Nevada boxing licence about to expire I beg to differ. She might resurface elsewhere or appear in some rinky dink fights but she is finished for judging top fights in Vegas. She blew it on too big a stage too many times.

catchweight wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Jerry Roth hasn't struggled to get fights after he scored the Abril fight to Rios, the fact this is a big fight won't stop her getting jobs in the future, history tells us as much.

Two howlers in huge fights and her Nevada boxing licence about to expire I beg to differ. She might resurface elsewhere or appear in some rinky dink fights but she is finished for judging top fights in Vegas. She blew it on too big a stage too many times.

Any justification for this opinion at all other than rhetoric?

The only relevance Floyd has to this (despite your utter infatuation) is that he is so head and shoulders above all his opponents that the scoring should be even easier than normal.

Other than that, the fact CJ Ross is a judging disgrace that should never work again is mutually exclusive from the most recent highlight of her ineptitude being a Floyd fight.

Scottrf wrote:

catchweight wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Jerry Roth hasn't struggled to get fights after he scored the Abril fight to Rios, the fact this is a big fight won't stop her getting jobs in the future, history tells us as much.

Two howlers in huge fights and her Nevada boxing licence about to expire I beg to differ. She might resurface elsewhere or appear in some rinky dink fights but she is finished for judging top fights in Vegas. She blew it on too big a stage too many times.

Any justification for this opinion at all other than rhetoric?

Yes. Her licence is up and they have the perfect opportunity to get rid of her without any fuss. The fact she has opted to "take a break from boxing" is to save her being officially cut loose when her licence expires. She is a poor judge with several high profile errors which have embarrassed the Commission and there really isnt any value in retaining her as a top level judge when they could let her disappear off somewhere else to become a problem.

But boy am I lucky to have you here to tell me how wrong I am all the time,

Numerous judges have their licenses nearing expiry after making bad decisions. That's no evidence of any sort.
 
I've experienced numerous judges that will 'never judge again' after bad decisions. None that have been stopped from ever judging again. Can you name any?

Scottrf wrote:Numerous judges have their licenses nearing expiry after making bad decisions. That's no evidence of any sort.
 
I've experienced numerous judges that will 'never judge again' after bad decisions. None that have been stopped from ever judging again. Can you name any?

Did I say she will "never judge again"? Nope. She wont judge a big fight in Vegas again though.

TopHat24/7 wrote:The only relevance Floyd has to this (despite your utter infatuation) is that he is so head and shoulders above all his opponents that the scoring should be even easier than normal.

Other than that, the fact CJ Ross is a judging disgrace that should never work again is mutually exclusive from the most recent highlight of her ineptitude being a Floyd fight.

So If she'd have scored the barker-Geale fight 117-111 for Geale she'sd be getting highlighted like this ??

Leave it out..

catchweight wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Jerry Roth hasn't struggled to get fights after he scored the Abril fight to Rios, the fact this is a big fight won't stop her getting jobs in the future, history tells us as much.

Two howlers in huge fights and her Nevada boxing licence about to expire I beg to differ. She might resurface elsewhere or appear in some rinky dink fights but she is finished for judging top fights in Vegas. She blew it on too big a stage too many times.

How do you explain Jerry Roth then, he's had his fair share of howlers including Trinidad/De La Hoya, Abril/Rios among others throughtout his career.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:The only relevance Floyd has to this (despite your utter infatuation) is that he is so head and shoulders above all his opponents that the scoring should be even easier than normal.

Other than that, the fact CJ Ross is a judging disgrace that should never work again is mutually exclusive from the most recent highlight of her ineptitude being a Floyd fight.

So If she'd have scored the barker-Geale fight 117-111 for Geale she'sd be getting highlighted like this ??

Leave it out..

In two consecutive fights where you could barely give the challenger more than 2 rounds she managed to have Pac losing in one and Floyd drawing in the other.

Put your Floyd shaped dummy back in your mouth.