Is Groves v Froch on?

Groves tweeted today that he is on Sky tomorrow to talk about his next fight. He stated that, "you all know who it is".

Is it Froch? IF so, are we excited? Although it would be soon for Groves he is fighting a 36 year old who has had at least 6 heavy duty fights. Plus, Groves has really pushed for it.

Hope it happens

No it's a rematch with Glen Johnson..

Froch would murder Groves at the minute, he's too easy to hit and although Froch has the same argument leveled at him, we know he has a phenomenal chin, the same might not be said for Groves at this level.

I think Groves is better technically than Kessler.........I see Groves beating Kessler.....

Think Groves will give him big trouble.........Froch isn't as young as he used to be.

May be technically better, but that doesn't make him all around better. I'd say Kessler has Groves out within 9/10 rounds right now. I like George, but he needs to grow into his own skin more, he's not had top elite level opponents, and thats what Kessler, Ward and Froch all are.

Really would be interesting if it was Froch.

What a difference a (very) tight decision win and a few years makes.......the ginger kid with the stinky breath could be about to challenge for a world title and sell-out a stadium whereas the golden boy is not even selling our leisure centres......

Think Froch would be too early for him now, fight in a year and get a couple of contender level fights under the belt first, e.g. the Abraham, Stieglitz, Kessler level guys.

JabMachineMK2 wrote:May be technically better, but that doesn't make him all around better. I'd say Kessler has Groves out within 9/10 rounds right now. I like George, but he needs to grow into his own skin more, he's not had top elite level opponents, and thats what Kessler, Ward and Froch all are.

Surely you should see that kessler is just a stand up European fighter in a garbage era.....Durable yes but ever so predictable......

You underestimate Groves and forget Froch is slower...been in more hard fights and is knocking on......

I pick Froch but the time could be right........Kessler gave him problems and I'd pick Eubank, Benn all to beat Kessler.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

JabMachineMK2 wrote:May be technically better, but that doesn't make him all around better. I'd say Kessler has Groves out within 9/10 rounds right now. I like George, but he needs to grow into his own skin more, he's not had top elite level opponents, and thats what Kessler, Ward and Froch all are.

Surely you should see that kessler is just a stand up European fighter in a garbage era.....Durable yes but ever so predictable......

You underestimate Groves and forget Froch is slower...been in more hard fights and is knocking on......

I pick Froch but the time could be right........Kessler gave him problems and I'd pick Eubank, Benn all to beat Kessler.

Froch was noticeably slower v Kessler second time round, and like you say, is older plus he has had some very tough fights. I think Groves movement would give Froch trouble for a little bit, but Froch would catch him, and when he does he would unload the arsenal

I see Froch catching up with him......but I also add in other factors.........

This isn't a superfight like the last one and Froch is bound to not be as UP for it.....combined with his age and the hard fights and Groves silky skills.........

Wouldn't write off an upset.

I don't know Truss, there seems to be some "beef" between the two with Groves having helped Kessler in fight camp.

Froch has publicly said that pi**ed him off a lot and shouldn't be happening.

Froch may be more up for this then people think, and IF he is, then Groves is in a lot of trouble.

Froch will be up for it. He will be revelling in the exposure he now has, and Groves will say enough to annoy him. Also the Kessler sparring thing.

Seanusarrilius wrote:Froch will be up for it. He will be revelling in the exposure he now has, and Groves will say enough to annoy him. Also the Kessler sparring thing.

You're probably right..........But I do like the look of Groves and Degale being a tricky southpaw is certainly a good win...albeit contentious...

Timing could be right If Froch puts in a Taylor like performance,.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Froch will be up for it. He will be revelling in the exposure he now has, and Groves will say enough to annoy him. Also the Kessler sparring thing.

You're probably right..........But I do like the look of Groves and Degale being a tricky southpaw is certainly a good win...albeit contentious...

Timing could be right If Froch puts in a Taylor like performance,.

True. I think it is in Froch's benefit to take this fight now rather than in 18 months, but I do think he will have enough. Froch is declining and it will likely happen fairly quickly, even though he keeps himself in excellent shape between fights. His jab is his key weapon now. He hasn't got the handspeed to fire off one punch haymakers, but a long, blinding jab followed by right hands is an effective 1-2 method for him. could see him dropping Groves with that. Or roughing him up against the ropes ala Bute and catching him.

He's certainly become an excellent finisher lately Froch....But the worry is he can switch off....

Booth is a good trainer and his influence is worth consideration.....Degale fight tactics were superb.

I think it's kind of similar to the Haye/Fury fight, in that it's a big domestic fight which makes good business sense for all concerned. In both fights there is a clear underdog who is in the fairly early stages of their career, and can re-group and learn from the experience should they lose... and earn an absolute packet in the process.

There's no reason why a loss should harm Groves' career in the long run... as long as he doesn't get smashed to bits in there...

Groves has a hard punch so there is always a risk he can catch Froch and hurt him, but I think as soon as Froch lands a few on Groves it could go like the Bute match, as I just don't think Groves takes a punch very well and while he seems to have improved defensively I dont think he has fought anyone good enough to really expose it yet.. If Froch starts to age then it could be an interesting fight but if Froch is on form I see him working through some hairy early rounds and stopping Groves in the 7th or 8th... I don't think Groves looks natural, just something about him that I'm not confident about... almost looks like he is doing what he is told TOO much... duno..

I see a tight fight that is ultimately decided by froch scoring a flash knockdown at some stage. I believe groves is the real deal but I see froch just having enough to win though. Can't wait for it though. I expect it to have some explosive moments.

Froch is too experienced and strong fro Groves. This is a little too early for him, but should be a good fight. Easily winable for Froch and keeps him ticking over while he lands a re-match with Ward next spring / summer.

I can see Groves racking up the early rounds in this one, by stick, move and pot shotting Froch. But I also feel that Froch will catch up to him eventually and either scoring a couple of knockdowns to turn cards in his favor or scoring the late knockout.

Good fight though, hope its not PPV

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:I can see Groves racking up the early rounds in this one, by stick, move and pot shotting Froch. But I also feel that Froch will catch up to him eventually and either scoring a couple of knockdowns to turn cards in his favor or scoring the late knockout.

Good fight though, hope its not PPV

PPV for sure..Fury - Haye is.........I did tell anyone who listened that Froch-Kessler would be the start of Hearn and PPv......

This doesn't deserve to be ppv, its a good fight, but its not ppv worthy.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:I can see Groves racking up the early rounds in this one, by stick, move and pot shotting Froch. But I also feel that Froch will catch up to him eventually and either scoring a couple of knockdowns to turn cards in his favor or scoring the late knockout.

Good fight though, hope its not PPV

PPV for sure..Fury - Haye is.........I did tell anyone who listened that Froch-Kessler would be the start of Hearn and PPv......

Think you were right on that one. I pay too much out already so I am not happy about forking out the extra £15 every other month.

Plus with BT Sports in negotiations with Virgin, if they decide to charge (they currently dont for ESPN which is gettin swerved for BT Sports) I will not be getting that channel. Sods law with Liverpool being the first match of the season!

Fight confirmed.

Brilliant for British boxing this. Good luck to Groves, can't fault him for taking Froch on.

Nice to see aguy with ambition.....Expect If he beats Froch he'd go for Ward..

Not sure he will be looking that far ahead just yet Trussy!

Ward's a different animal at this point in time though, isn't he? Hard to see any of them coming close.

Thanks for this. Is there a date and venue announced yet?

Late November early December, venue to be announced. So no on both counts really.

Cheers Rowley. At least it looks like this year. Froch had been suggesting next year, which would have been too long a wait in my opinion.

Just talked to the press officer at Matchroom and he said that Froch stated in a Sky interview that it would be PPV, however, matchroom have stated that this isnt confirmed yet.

In other words, Froch said it, but its not strictly true until the ink is dry!

Sign of things to come..

Froch said it was PPV in the interview but that wasn't confirmed.
Hearn has just said on twitter that all the details will be in a press conference in the next few weeks...

November 23rd date is set. Awaiting confirmation of destination.

mobilemaster8 wrote:November 23rd date is set. Awaiting confirmation of destination.

Got to be the O2.

Second largest arena in the country, site of Froch's greatest night and record sell-out, and just round the corner from Grove's home = maximum money venue.

Looks like the information from this is coming out at a rate of knots. Good to see

Will likely be ppv. They would have to stack the undercard for it to be worth it. Quigg world title fight and some other big fight at least. Either way, I can't pay for the ppv as I live abroad. Hopefully HBO pick it up like last time.

Froch just has too much for Groves, and I cant see froch not stopping him

I like Groves, he has good speed, good movement, heavy hands and is exciting, but he has looked fragile and hasn't fought anyone close to froch's level

His best win to date is degale and while it was a good win, it was very very close, it could have gone either way. Froch is a lot better than degale and is a lot more comfortable on the front foot than degale should groves decide to box on the back foot

Johnson was a good name but he was a old man. Since that fight, can anyo e honestly say they have heard of any of the opponents groves has fought without looking on boxrec

The Sun are saying November 23rd at Manchester Arena.

Quigg for the chief support would make a lot of sense in that case...

Still not PPV worthy though.

Got to have Quigg undercard if they're going MEN just for the extra 1,000 seats (ingnoring that you can probably charge more at the O2).

Seanusarrilius wrote:Will likely be ppv. They would have to stack the undercard for it to be worth it. Quigg world title fight and some other big fight at least. Either way, I can't pay for the ppv as I live abroad. Hopefully HBO pick it up like last time.

Froch seems to have a big following..not sure he needs to have a big undercard....

people don't go to watch Mayweather, oscar and co for the undercard.

Better be a better under card than Scott Quigg!

He is fighting some chump for an international title that's being billed as the actual World Title for some reason.

The guy he is fighting had beat up on complete bums. Their combined record is 172-194-22!!! How is he a world beater?! Ha!

Id like to see this:

Carl Froch vs George Groves - WBA/IBF World Title
Matthew Maklin vs Martin Murray
Crolla vs Matthews 3

Olympians (ie. Ogogo etc)

don't want to watch Quigg hammer some Cuban and claim to be the divisions best. Would fill me with rage.

Im going for a Froch KO.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:Will likely be ppv. They would have to stack the undercard for it to be worth it. Quigg world title fight and some other big fight at least. Either way, I can't pay for the ppv as I live abroad. Hopefully HBO pick it up like last time.

Froch seems to have a big following..not sure he needs to have a big undercard....

people don't go to watch Mayweather, oscar and co for the undercard.

Hearn said in an interview that if it were PPV he would have to stack it to make it worthwhile. He will want PPV, so hopefully he is good to his word

No doubt it will be ppv...But Imagine a la Fury-Haye......It's the main event that sells..

Don't know many people who'll buy a ticket because of the supports..

Hence why all the trailers will just show Groves-Froch.

If Froch has one more world-class year in him, which I think he has, then I have to believe that he will have too much for Groves at this stage of their respective careers.

It doesn't matter, though. The only way that George doesn't profit from this fight in one way or another is if he takes a one-sided beating throughout the fight and gets stopped in 5 or 6 (a la Bute, really). Otherwise, everything is in his favour. If he gets stopped early, he was caught cold. If he takes Froch the distance, his name is up there as a top man at 168 for the next decade. If he wins (which can only realistically be by outhustling Froch to a decision), the world is his oyster.

I can see Groves establishing a lead over the very early stages, as it happens, but I just can't imagine Froch not catching up with him at some point. Could be a late stoppage for Froch, but I think that Groves has enough gumption to be upright, albeit unsteady, at the final bell, having lost a clear, but honourable, points verdict.

captain carrantuohil wrote:If Froch has one more world-class year in him, which I think he has, then I have to believe that he will have too much for Groves at this stage of their respective careers.

It doesn't matter, though. The only way that George doesn't profit from this fight in one way or another is if he takes a one-sided beating throughout the fight and gets stopped in 5 or 6 (a la Bute, really). Otherwise, everything is in his favour. If he gets stopped early, he was caught cold. If he takes Froch the distance, his name is up there as a top man at 168 for the next decade. If he wins (which can only realistically be by outhustling Froch to a decision), the world is his oyster.

I can see Groves establishing a lead over the very early stages, as it happens, but I just can't imagine Froch not catching up with him at some point. Could be a late stoppage for Froch, but I think that Groves has enough gumption to be upright, albeit unsteady, at the final bell, having lost a clear, but honourable, points verdict.

Agreed, and personally I am happy this fight happens now whilst Froch does have a decent tank left. Groves is inexpperienced at higher levels, but if he is going to step up, then this is a great matchup for him since he'll make serious $ and short of being beasted, will have little to lose.

captain carrantuohil wrote:If Froch has one more world-class year in him, which I think he has, then I have to believe that he will have too much for Groves at this stage of their respective careers.

It doesn't matter, though. The only way that George doesn't profit from this fight in one way or another is if he takes a one-sided beating throughout the fight and gets stopped in 5 or 6 (a la Bute, really). Otherwise, everything is in his favour. If he gets stopped early, he was caught cold. If he takes Froch the distance, his name is up there as a top man at 168 for the next decade. If he wins (which can only realistically be by outhustling Froch to a decision), the world is his oyster.

I can see Groves establishing a lead over the very early stages, as it happens, but I just can't imagine Froch not catching up with him at some point. Could be a late stoppage for Froch, but I think that Groves has enough gumption to be upright, albeit unsteady, at the final bell, having lost a clear, but honourable, points verdict.

A comparision may be Kessler vs Calzaghe, although Kessler was more established I'd dare say. Kessler's career wasn't harmed in this way at all.

Froch is one of the best fighters in the world right now so I think he beats Groves easily. Groves is one for the future all the same I just hope Froch doesnt give him such a beating it will ruin his confidence. It would have made more sense for Ward to come to Britain and settle who is the number 1 in the division and then had an old v new fight with Groves after. The number 1 in the division who is getting old against the upcoming challenger looking to take over.

winchester wrote:Froch is one of the best fighters in the world right now so I think he beats Groves easily. Groves is one for the future all the same I just hope Froch doesnt give him such a beating it will ruin his confidence. It would have made more sense for Ward to come to Britain and settle who is the number 1 in the division and then had an old v new fight with Groves after. The number 1 in the division who is getting old against the upcoming challenger looking to take over.

Oh dear Ward hasn't settled who's number 1....

Looking for a bite are we.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

winchester wrote:Froch is one of the best fighters in the world right now so I think he beats Groves easily. Groves is one for the future all the same I just hope Froch doesnt give him such a beating it will ruin his confidence. It would have made more sense for Ward to come to Britain and settle who is the number 1 in the division and then had an old v new fight with Groves after. The number 1 in the division who is getting old against the upcoming challenger looking to take over.

Oh dear Ward hasn't settled who's number 1....

Looking for a bite are we.

if he doesn't know ward is the number 1 then he doesn't know anything about boxing.

Go get him with that domestos bottle.CS!!!

That a boy..

Ward hasn't sorted out who number 1 is?

Then what the hell was Ward vs Froch for? Who won that? You know, the super 6?

Was it Ward?