Arum: Marquez next for Pacquiao.

First topic message reminder :

The Mosley fight still has to play but Arum is already planing Pacquiao's next bout.

The fight will complete an thrilling trilogy, when Juan Manual Marquez step into the ring for a 3rd time.

There first fight was an epic battle Pacquiao knocking down Marquez 3 times in the first round only for Marquez to come back with the help of mistake by one of the judges to claim a draw.

The rematch was 4 years in the waiting but is was worth the wait, a great technical battle, his speed chess, Pacquiao put Marquez down again only the once but much more heavier knockdown that the previous ones.

The fight swayed back and forth and in the end Pacquiao sneaked a SD.

Since then they have both move up the weights, and had some impressive victories so what can we expect from the 3rd and probably final fight from these two greats.

Many of you were calling for this fight, and with Marquez being a free agent it should be easy to negotiate and will probably happen in November.

Pacquiao just has to get through Mosley now and the trilogy can be complete.


http://www.boxingscene.com/pacquiao-vs-marquez-likely-next-manny-says-arum--38132

Have to agree with D4 here on Berto. I was also saying to someone (think it was DAVE) the other day that manny shouldn't fight berto as he's unproven. Won a vacant strap against a relative nobody, laboured against collazo and urango and his career best win was probably Quintana. Hardly stellar stuff. Not seen the Ortiz fight yet but I hear there's no question Ortiz deserved the nod, which shows the level berto is currently at - ie lost to his first decent opponent who was a guy coming up from 140 with a chequered history at that weight.

LW fighting a WW

End of. Nothing can be argued with that.

Unless you're demented.

coxy0001 wrote:LW fighting a WW

End of. Nothing can be argued with that.

Unless you're demented.

Ortiz was a WW boiling down to LWW. It drained him.

azania wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:LW fighting a WW

End of. Nothing can be argued with that.

Unless you're demented.

Ortiz was a WW boiling down to LWW. It drained him.

Dont confuse a sunburnt drunken man!

coxy0001 wrote:

azania wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:LW fighting a WW

End of. Nothing can be argued with that.

Unless you're demented.

Ortiz was a WW boiling down to LWW. It drained him.

Dont confuse a sunburnt drunken man!

You as well?

azania wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

azania wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:LW fighting a WW

End of. Nothing can be argued with that.

Unless you're demented.

Ortiz was a WW boiling down to LWW. It drained him.

Dont confuse a sunburnt drunken man!

You as well?

I'm what?

Ortiz mahoooosive for 140 though

Defo #1 fOTy for me though at present. 4 knockdowns? knocking one off time! great fight, still gets taken apart by a big 147'r or a guy who can box though. Be fun seeing him have a go though

It's in the mix for FOTY, probably with Marquez-Conception, Lee-McEwan with Morales-Maidana and Cotto-Mayorga trailing.

Oh dear. Coxy's pished again.

Azania

This time i may well remember coming on here

Saying that thank god D4's not around having had the lass moan she didn't go sub 4 for the marathon.... I'd be on edge if i had that to deal with as well.

Sugar Boy Sweetie wrote:Have to agree with D4 here on Berto. I was also saying to someone (think it was DAVE) the other day that manny shouldn't fight berto as he's unproven. Won a vacant strap against a relative nobody, laboured against collazo and urango and his career best win was probably Quintana. Hardly stellar stuff. Not seen the Ortiz fight yet but I hear there's no question Ortiz deserved the nod, which shows the level berto is currently at - ie lost to his first decent opponent who was a guy coming up from 140 with a chequered history at that weight.

Who had Clottey beat to deserve a shot? He was going into the fight off the back of a defeat to Cotto.

coxy0001 wrote:

azania wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

azania wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:LW fighting a WW

End of. Nothing can be argued with that.

Unless you're demented.

Ortiz was a WW boiling down to LWW. It drained him.

Dont confuse a sunburnt drunken man!

You as well?

I'm what?

Ortiz mahoooosive for 140 though

Defo #1 fOTy for me though at present. 4 knockdowns? knocking one off time! great fight, still gets taken apart by a big 147'r or a guy who can box though. Be fun seeing him have a go though

Yes coxy I agree, Shane Mosley beats Ortiz

D4thincarnation wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

azania wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

azania wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:LW fighting a WW

End of. Nothing can be argued with that.

Unless you're demented.

Ortiz was a WW boiling down to LWW. It drained him.

Dont confuse a sunburnt drunken man!

You as well?

I'm what?

Ortiz mahoooosive for 140 though

Defo #1 fOTy for me though at present. 4 knockdowns? knocking one off time! great fight, still gets taken apart by a big 147'r or a guy who can box though. Be fun seeing him have a go though

Yes coxy I agree, Shane Mosley beats Ortiz

And Emile Griffith, too. Maybe Carmen Basilio, who is only 83.

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

azania wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

azania wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:LW fighting a WW

End of. Nothing can be argued with that.

Unless you're demented.

Ortiz was a WW boiling down to LWW. It drained him.

Dont confuse a sunburnt drunken man!

You as well?

I'm what?

Ortiz mahoooosive for 140 though

Defo #1 fOTy for me though at present. 4 knockdowns? knocking one off time! great fight, still gets taken apart by a big 147'r or a guy who can box though. Be fun seeing him have a go though

Yes coxy I agree, Shane Mosley beats Ortiz

And Emile Griffith, too. Maybe Carmen Basilio, who is only 83.

And Sugar Ray Leonard, if he could make the weight. Saw him skipping a couple of years back he's still got some moves. And he's only 54. That's just 14 years on Mosley - I think Arum's lining him up.

oxring wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

azania wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

azania wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:LW fighting a WW

End of. Nothing can be argued with that.

Unless you're demented.

Ortiz was a WW boiling down to LWW. It drained him.

Dont confuse a sunburnt drunken man!

You as well?

I'm what?

Ortiz mahoooosive for 140 though

Defo #1 fOTy for me though at present. 4 knockdowns? knocking one off time! great fight, still gets taken apart by a big 147'r or a guy who can box though. Be fun seeing him have a go though

Yes coxy I agree, Shane Mosley beats Ortiz

And Emile Griffith, too. Maybe Carmen Basilio, who is only 83.

And Sugar Ray Leonard, if he could make the weight. Saw him skipping a couple of years back he's still got some moves. And he's only 54. That's just 14 years on Mosley - I think Arum's lining him up.

It would be a great fight, oxy.

Never write off a great fighter.

Couldn't even get past a guy who then lost his next fight to a reality TV boxer.

So we've got:

Dominated and embarrassed by Mayweather Jr
Draws with Mora
Mora then gets beaten by a guy who's 17-5 and had lost 4 of his last 5 fights

You don't get it do you? You have NOTHING to come back with, as usual.

HumanWindmill wrote:

oxring wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:

D4thincarnation wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

azania wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:

azania wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:LW fighting a WW

End of. Nothing can be argued with that.

Unless you're demented.

Ortiz was a WW boiling down to LWW. It drained him.

Dont confuse a sunburnt drunken man!

You as well?

I'm what?

Ortiz mahoooosive for 140 though

Defo #1 fOTy for me though at present. 4 knockdowns? knocking one off time! great fight, still gets taken apart by a big 147'r or a guy who can box though. Be fun seeing him have a go though

Yes coxy I agree, Shane Mosley beats Ortiz

And Emile Griffith, too. Maybe Carmen Basilio, who is only 83.

And Sugar Ray Leonard, if he could make the weight. Saw him skipping a couple of years back he's still got some moves. And he's only 54. That's just 14 years on Mosley - I think Arum's lining him up.

It would be a great fight, oxy.

Never write off a great fighter.

Funny how we never had such a quote from D4 in the build up to his fight against FMJ... Funny how he never mentioned Mosley ever being great.

that's probably because he's an obsessed nuthugging fish poor "fan". And i can't use tht term any more loosely. If you put that level of looseness next to Katie Price's fanny it would make the latter seem as tight as a clenched fist!

coxy0001 wrote:Couldn't even get past a guy who then lost his next fight to a reality TV boxer.

So we've got:

Dominated and embarrassed by Mayweather Jr
Draws with Mora
Mora then gets beaten by a guy who's 17-5 and had lost 4 of his last 5 fights

You don't get it do you? You have NOTHING to come back with, as usual.

You said it yourself coxy:

still gets taken apart by a big 147'r or a guy who can box though.

Ortiz will be quiting again if he steps into the ring with Sugar Shane.

All very well some of you making stupid comments, but you know I'm right, but you just don't like to admit it.

Just as I told you Berto was unproven and would get found out, and he didn't even step up that far.

D4thincarnation wrote:

coxy0001 wrote:Couldn't even get past a guy who then lost his next fight to a reality TV boxer.

So we've got:

Dominated and embarrassed by Mayweather Jr
Draws with Mora
Mora then gets beaten by a guy who's 17-5 and had lost 4 of his last 5 fights

You don't get it do you? You have NOTHING to come back with, as usual.

You said it yourself coxy:

still gets taken apart by a big 147'r or a guy who can box though.

Ortiz will be quiting again if he steps into the ring with Sugar Shane.

No, he didn't say any such thing. The contention of most sensible fight fans is that Mosley can't box at the highest level any more because he's way past his best.

Kindly stop ' cattle prodding.'

D4thincarnation wrote:All very well some of you making stupid comments,

Not ALL stupid comments infringe your copyright, D4, though I must admit you have claim to most of them here.

Anyway, the topic concerns Marquez and Pacquiao.

D4thincarnation wrote:All very well some of you making stupid comments, but you know I'm right, but you just don't like to admit it.

Just as I told you Berto was unproven and would get found out, and he didn't even step up that far.

No. You're not right.

And i don't class Mosley as a guy who can box any more. Neither do many others, and the bookies have Manny as what - a 1/10 favourite?!? You rubbished Mosley before the FMJ fight, picked Mora to beat him and now we shouldn't right him off - WHEN YOU DID EXACTLY THAT

YOU = JOKE

And back to Marquez and Pacquiao.

D4thincarnation wrote:All very well some of you making stupid comments, but you know I'm right, but you just don't like to admit it.

Just as I told you Berto was unproven and would get found out, and he didn't even step up that far.

Did you tell me Berto was unproven? I missed that.

Sad really. All that glory that Ortiz is basking in now, could have been Manny's.

Instead he chose to fight a man nearly old enough to draw a pension, who's pulled out 1 good performance in 3 years. And were the worst to happen and Manny were to lose, his legacy would be blown to smithereens.

Poor matchmaking really.

HumanWindmill wrote:And back to Marquez and Pacquiao.

Pacquiao = welterweight

Marquez = lightweight

Manny looks great above 135lbs

Marquez looked shocking above 135lbs

Marquez is small for a lightweight

It would be a massacre

End of the day a lightweight is still jumping 2 divisions

End of the arguement. 140 would just about be passable. Funny how Team Pactards wouldn't take Marquez's offer of a 3rd fight "This business is finished" from memory.

Pacquiao said no one would ant to see it. I found it strange because I haven't spoke to anyone that wouldn't want to see this fight at 140lbs. If him and his people are saying Mayweather ducked Pac then you would need to say Pac ducked Marquez to fight an over the hill Mosley.

coxy0001 wrote:

HumanWindmill wrote:And back to Marquez and Pacquiao.

Pacquiao = welterweight

Marquez = lightweight

Manny looks great above 135lbs

Marquez looked shocking above 135lbs

Marquez is small for a lightweight

It would be a massacre

End of the day a lightweight is still jumping 2 divisions

End of the arguement. 140 would just about be passable. Funny how Team Pactards wouldn't take Marquez's offer of a 3rd fight "This business is finished" from memory.

Pacquiao and Marquez are the same size, in there last fights their ring weight were only a couple lbs apart.

There seems to some myths around this fight, myths claiming Marquez was robbed and that after the first round he out boxed Pacquiao for the rest of the fight.

I hope to exposed these myths and the casual fan might not get taken in by them.


First off we will start with the evidence and facts.

The Fight: Great fight FOTY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VxGTSzYCCE Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRS2DlKeFSw&feature=related Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seySmhkoNrw&feature=related Part 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdYLlL7CZyI&feature=related Part 4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j7B6doZpFE&feature=related Part 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3kZz34XeE&feature=related Part 6


Harold Lederman Scorecard

Round 1 10-6 Pacquiao
Round 2 10-9 Pacquiao
Round 3 9-10 Marquez
Round 4 9-10 Marquez
Round 5 9-10 Marquez
Round 6 9-10 Marquez
Round 7 10-9 Pacquiao
Round 8 10-9 Pacquiao
Round 9 10-9 Pacquiao
Round 10 10-9 Pacquiao
Round 11 9-10 Marquez
Round 12 10-9 Pacquiao

115-110 Pacquiao. So on Lederman's scorecard Pacquiao won 7 rounds to Marquez's 5.

So lets go to the punch stats now:

Marquez 547/158
Pacquiao 639/148

Vegas judges favour aggression and Pacquiao was connecting with the harder blows, combined with the KDs the stats support a win for Pacquiao.

The Judges scorecards:

Judge: John Stewart 115-110
Judge: Burt A. Clements 113-113
Judge: Guy Jutras 110-115


Stewart so it much the same way as Lederman with Pacquiao winning the fight comfortably

Clements who called it a draw, admitted he made a mistake calling the first round 10-7 when it should have been 10-6 to Pacquiao.

Jutras was in his 70s at the time his eyesight was failing and is not a judge anymore called it for Marquez.


The Compubox punch stats round by round:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/view.php?pg=compubox-manny-pacquiao-juan-manuel-marquez

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12

Marquez
13/40 8/45 12/45 12/43 16/42 16/41 16/43 11/38 16/50 12/53 15/53 11/54

Pacquiao
11/73 18/77 9/57 12/47 9/49 5/35 19/51 8/43 15/52 18/49 13/43 11/63




If anyone was robbed this fight it was Pacquiao, yet this myth that Marquez out boxed Pacquiao for 11 rounds after the first still permeates this forum.

Now this fight was not a robbery for either fighter it was a close contest but I had Pacquiao winning by 3 rounds 114-111.


Hopefully some of you can watch the fight again with an unbiased eye and rethink on what you have been saying.

Jutras was in his 70s at the time his eyesight was failing and is not a judge anymore called it for Marquez.

Definitely wasn't a 10-1-1 affair, last time I scored it I think I had it 114-113 to Pac

Jutras was in his 70s at the time his eyesight was failing and is not a judge anymore called it for Marquez.

Classic. Anyone who voted against Pac is a Mr Magoo.

Anyway, this thread should be merged.

I disagree Azania, different topic in all honesty, and merging it would further deflect the OP's question away from the discussion in the Guerrero thread.

Oh and D4, loathe though I am to agree, I had Pacquaio up by 2 rounds.

azania wrote:

Jutras was in his 70s at the time his eyesight was failing and is not a judge anymore called it for Marquez.

Classic. Anyone who voted against Pac is a Mr Magoo.

Anyway, this thread should be merged.

Never realised there was a topic discussing this fight.

azania wrote:

Jutras was in his 70s at the time his eyesight was failing and is not a judge anymore called it for Marquez.

Classic. Anyone who voted against Pac is a Mr Magoo.

Anyway, this thread should be merged.

Agreed. This is utterly pathetic and nauseatingly repetitive.

Sorry guys, I'm going to lock this thread and merge it onto the other.

azania wrote:

Jutras was in his 70s at the time his eyesight was failing and is not a judge anymore called it for Marquez.

Classic. Anyone who voted against Pac is a Mr Magoo.

Anyway, this thread should be merged.

http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/thumb/6/6c/Guy_Jutras.jpg/333px-Guy_Jutras.jpg

Jutras is the one on the left.

D4thincarnation wrote:

azania wrote:

Jutras was in his 70s at the time his eyesight was failing and is not a judge anymore called it for Marquez.

Classic. Anyone who voted against Pac is a Mr Magoo.

Anyway, this thread should be merged.

http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/thumb/6/6c/Guy_Jutras.jpg/333px-Guy_Jutras.jpg

Jutras is the one on the left.

But those who thought Marquez won won't be able to see him.

Saw one of the best ever predictions, from December 2007, incredible. Just before Floyd-Hatton. Just needs the last one to come true:

"I pick Floyd to win the fight coz Hatton's arms is only 20" & only 5'6" short. Pac's 5'6 1/2" & 25" long from Armpit to fist. Pac is a Different animal than Hatton, He's faster, Punch straighter, Better head movement, quick footed. Watch Pac in any fight, he's not that hittable with the left hook. The opponent has to deal with Pac's Jab in order to be hit by a Left hook.
You haven't seen the welter Pac yet. You've only seen the 130 Pac with the Power of a middleweight.

Pac will be busy with JMM, Diaz & maybe DLH. PBF will take a Break, He'll not fight Cotto or any of the Bigger welter. hatton will Probably will be back at 140 fighting Witter or Torres. Pac might fight Hatton in England after DLH.
PBF will come out of retirement to fight Pac after all thoose Big fights."

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33608

I see, Possible future fight for Pacquiao could Marquez and examining the Pacquiao vs Marquez I fight are the same topic.

I wonder if all the Haye vs Klitschko threads will be merged also?

Don't forget we're enjoying a ceasefire, fellas.

coxy0001 wrote:See what happens when you keep regurgitating the same repetitive, boring nonsense D4?

You should be called Stevie Starr

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevie_Starr

Rather apt, apart you regurgitate brown stuff!

Yes coxy go off topic when you can't make relevant points.

Ceasefire.

The crowd and most ring observers were shocked when it was called a draw. Marquez pushed Pacquiao hard in a close fight but those who think Marquez was robbed and he out boxed Pacquiao after the 1st round clearly have not seen the fight.

We have 9 threads on Groves vs DeGale and it's still a month away but these get merged?

Can't make a relevant point?

Pacquiao and Marquez II - Can only find the second fight press row scores:

- Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.
- Graham Houston, FightWriter.com also picked Marquez
- Andrew Walker, eastsideboxing.com:115-114 Marquez
- Jeff Pryor, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez
- Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez
- Lee Payton, The Boxing Bulletin:114-114 Draw
- Harold Lederman, HBO:115-112 Pacquiao
- Michael Herron, eastsideboxing.com:Pacquiao
- Paul Strauss, eastsideboxing.com:Pacquiao
- Eric Sloan, Washington, D.C. examiner.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
- Nick Alejo, PhilBoxing,com:114-113 Pacquiao
- Hermie Rivera, PhilBoxing.com:Pacquiao
- Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com:114-113 Pacquiao
- Michael Nelson, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Pacquiao
- John Vaci, The Boxing Bulletin:115-113 Pacquiao

A quick count reveals an approximate 31 for Marquez 1 draw and 9 for Pacquiao.

By all means feel free to dig up the first fight as well, can't find it

Scottrf wrote:Saw one of the best ever predictions, from December 2007, incredible. Just before Floyd-Hatton. Just needs the last one to come true:

"I pick Floyd to win the fight coz Hatton's arms is only 20" & only 5'6" short. Pac's 5'6 1/2" & 25" long from Armpit to fist. Pac is a Different animal than Hatton, He's faster, Punch straighter, Better head movement, quick footed. Watch Pac in any fight, he's not that hittable with the left hook. The opponent has to deal with Pac's Jab in order to be hit by a Left hook.
You haven't seen the welter Pac yet. You've only seen the 130 Pac with the Power of a middleweight.

Pac will be busy with JMM, Diaz & maybe DLH. PBF will take a Break, He'll not fight Cotto or any of the Bigger welter. hatton will Probably will be back at 140 fighting Witter or Torres. Pac might fight Hatton in England after DLH.
PBF will come out of retirement to fight Pac after all thoose Big fights."

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33608

I did proposed this match after Floyd fought Hatton but at 135lbs.

Scottrf wrote:We have 9 threads on Groves vs DeGale and it's still a month away but these get merged?

Why should one poster be allowed to keep regurgitating the same nonsense? Do you want to go back to the old days of 606 when we had 5 articles on Pacquiao from the same nuisance each day?

coxy0001 wrote:Can't make a relevant point?

Pacquiao and Marquez II - Can only find the second fight press row scores:

- Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.
- Graham Houston, FightWriter.com also picked Marquez
- Andrew Walker, eastsideboxing.com:115-114 Marquez
- Jeff Pryor, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez
- Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez
- Lee Payton, The Boxing Bulletin:114-114 Draw
- Harold Lederman, HBO:115-112 Pacquiao
- Michael Herron, eastsideboxing.com:Pacquiao
- Paul Strauss, eastsideboxing.com:Pacquiao
- Eric Sloan, Washington, D.C. examiner.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
- Nick Alejo, PhilBoxing,com:114-113 Pacquiao
- Hermie Rivera, PhilBoxing.com:Pacquiao
- Ken Pollitt, the13thround.com:114-113 Pacquiao
- Michael Nelson, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Pacquiao
- John Vaci, The Boxing Bulletin:115-113 Pacquiao

A quick count reveals an approximate 31 for Marquez 1 draw and 9 for Pacquiao.

By all means feel free to dig up the first fight as well, can't find it

That not the fight we are talking about coxy.

That not the fight we are talking about coxy.

Give me some time and i'll find some reports from the first fight, i did say i haven't come across the whole list yet.

coxy0001 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:We have 9 threads on Groves vs DeGale and it's still a month away but these get merged?

Why should one poster be allowed to keep regurgitating the same nonsense? Do you want to go back to the old days of 606 when we had 5 articles on Pacquiao from the same nuisance each day?

Is true, I just think the moderation is by username not repetitiveness.

Scottrf wrote:Saw one of the best ever predictions, from December 2007, incredible. Just before Floyd-Hatton. Just needs the last one to come true:

"I pick Floyd to win the fight coz Hatton's arms is only 20" & only 5'6" short. Pac's 5'6 1/2" & 25" long from Armpit to fist. Pac is a Different animal than Hatton, He's faster, Punch straighter, Better head movement, quick footed. Watch Pac in any fight, he's not that hittable with the left hook. The opponent has to deal with Pac's Jab in order to be hit by a Left hook.
You haven't seen the welter Pac yet. You've only seen the 130 Pac with the Power of a middleweight.

Pac will be busy with JMM, Diaz & maybe DLH. PBF will take a Break, He'll not fight Cotto or any of the Bigger welter. hatton will Probably will be back at 140 fighting Witter or Torres. Pac might fight Hatton in England after DLH.
PBF will come out of retirement to fight Pac after all thoose Big fights."

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33608

Thats is really a shocking prediction. To see the Pacquiao fighting Oscar and Hatton at that stage and but got it wrong with Floyd coming out of retirement to fight Pacquiao

Great prediction that guy must be psychic.