Springbok squad announced.

by **Biltong** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:23 pm

Springbok squad for the English tour has been announced.

Forwards :
Coenie Oosthuizen,
Tendai Mtawarira,
Jannie du Plessis,
Werner Kruger,
Bismarck du Plessis,
Chiliboy Ralepelle,
Flip van der Merwe,
Eben Etzebeth,
Juandré Kruger,
Marcell Coetzee,
Keegan Daniel,
Willem Alberts,
Pierre Spies,
Ryan Kankowski,
Adriaan Strauss,
Jaques Potgieter

Backs :
Francois Hougaard,
Jano Vermaak,
Morné Steyn,
Pat Lambie,
Elton Jantjies,
Wynand Olivier,
Jean de Villiers,
JJ Engelbrecht,
Bryan Habana,
Bjorn Basson,
JP Pietersen,
Lwazi Mvovo,
Zane Kirchner,
Ruan Pienaar,
Frans Steyn

Those that should feel unlucky.
Gio Aplon
Juan de Jongh

Those that should feel lucky to be there.
Wynanad Olivier

Can't believe Wynand Olivier get selected ahead of Juan de Jongh.

Couple of good youngsters in there, Coenie Oosthuizen, Marcell Coetzee, JJ Engelbrecht.

Not happy about Potgieter and Jantjies, I don't believe they are good enough. If you consider the reasons why Meyer has not called upon de Jongh and Aplon, it can only be their size, then why is Jantjies there?

by Bullsbok Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:25 pm

you dont believe Potgieter is good enough???? :o . The big bulls behemoth responsible for this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAf7sdXQsK0

by **Biltong** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:27 pm

Sorry bud, I just don't like him.

I am happy though that he didn't select Brussow, he hasn't been great at all this season.

by Bullsbok Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:27 pm

But i do agree with Wynand Olivier , Jano Vermaak and KANKO are also lucky to be there . De Jongh should be in

by Bullsbok Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:28 pm

say you dont like him not he's not good enough .

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:28 pm

Nothing too surprising given what we know about Meyer.

Don't think that is making the best use of the resources available to him though.

by Bullsbok Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:29 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:Nothing too surprising given what we know about Meyer.

Don't think that is making the best use of the resources available to him though.

how you mean? I think thats possibly the best squad he could select

by **Biltong** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:30 pm

Bullsbok wrote:say you dont like him not he's not good enough .

No I have never been impressed with him. when you consider the riches we have in the back row, he is way down my list

by Bullsbok Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:32 pm

biltongbek wrote:
Bullsbok wrote:say you dont like him not he's not good enough .
No I have never been impressed with him. when you consider the riches we have in the back row, he is way down my list

Well obviously he must be doing something right for him to get selected despite being injured for 3 weeks Whistle

by FerN Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:33 pm

Was suprised to not see Kolisi and de Jongh. But maybe I am just looking through my stormers coloured specs.

How is Wynand Olivier in?

by Bullsbok Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:34 pm

FerN wrote:Was suprised to not see Kolisi and de Jongh. But maybe I am just looking through my stormers coloured specs.

How is Wynand Olivier in?

how indeed , he must have a lot of dirt on Meyer Shocked

matter of fact he must have dirt on every single coach to pick him because he's played some 50 tests and never impressed in ONE

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:34 pm

No Brussow????

As an English fan I'm very very happy with that!

by FerN Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:35 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:No Brussow????

As an English fan I'm very very happy with that!

Don't worry we have better.

by fa0019 Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:36 pm

Maisiekind in the squad... does he have comprimising photos of Meyer or something???

Jano Vermaak... hmm, no bias there then... how many minutes does he get? Piet Van Zyl should have got that spot... by a good margin.

Kirchner over Aplon or Joe Pietersen... please

If you don't think there is any bias in the squad just think of the following.

Bulls 13 players
Stormers 3 players

When reserves of the bulls get in over Stormers first choice players... when we've done the double over them and lead the conference you have to ask... what more can some of these boys do???

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:36 pm

Bullsbok wrote:
Ozzy3213 wrote:Nothing too surprising given what we know about Meyer.

Don't think that is making the best use of the resources available to him though.

how you mean? I think thats possibly the best squad he could select

Really???

Kankowski can't get a start for the Sharks whereas Kolisi is pulling up trees for the Stormers week in week out.

Ruan Pienaar is better than Vermaak.

Olivier is a poor international player and should be nowhere near the squad.

De Jongh should be in as should Aplon.

I suspect that looking at the squad we will see a backline of

Hougaard
Steyn
Habana
Olivier
JDV
Pietersen
Steyn

Which for me is not what would be best for South Africa right now.

by Bullsbok Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:37 pm

fa0019 wrote:Maisiekind in the squad... does he have comprimising photos of Meyer or something???

Jano Vermaak... hmm, no bias there then... how many minutes does he get? Piet Van Zyl should have got that spot... by a good margin.

Kirchner over Aplon or Joe Pietersen... please

If you don't think there is any bias in the squad just think of the following.

Bulls 13 players
Stormers 3 players

When reserves of the bulls get in over Stormers first choice players... when we've done the double over them and lead the conference you have to ask... what more can some of these boys do???

be Bulls

.......come over to the pink side laughing

by Bullsbok Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:38 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:
Bullsbok wrote:
Ozzy3213 wrote:Nothing too surprising given what we know about Meyer.

Don't think that is making the best use of the resources available to him though.

how you mean? I think thats possibly the best squad he could select

Really???

Kankowski can't get a start for the Sharks whereas Kolisi is pulling up trees for the Stormers week in week out.

Ruan Pienaar is better than Vermaak.

Olivier is a poor international player and should be nowhere near the squad.

De Jongh should be in as should Aplon.

I suspect that looking at the squad we will see a backline of

Hougaard
Steyn
Habana
Olivier
JDV
Pietersen
Steyn

Which for me is not what would be best for South Africa right now.

unliley

Hougaard
Steyn
Habana
Steyn
JDV
JPP
LAmbie i think you'll find the addition of two Sharks Lambie and Frans Steyn to be somewhat problematic for the English

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:41 pm

FerN wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:No Brussow????

As an English fan I'm very very happy with that!

Don't worry we have better.

Really???

Our one issue is not having a 7, Brussow would take us to the cleaners. Thank you Meyer Smile

by FerN Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:43 pm

fa0019 wrote:
Bulls 13 players
Stormers 3 players

Those 3 players of ours must be really good to make that big a difference so that we can lead the conference.

by fa0019 Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:44 pm

Bullsbok wrote:

be Bulls .......come over to the pink side

I would have to drop at least 50 IQ points first Wink

by Bullsbok Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:45 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
FerN wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:No Brussow????

As an English fan I'm very very happy with that!

Don't worry we have better.

Really???

Our one issue is not having a 7, Brussow would take us to the cleaners. Thank you Meyer

His name is Bismarck Du Plessis and he has the most steals in SupeRugby .Good luck .

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:46 pm

15. Aplon
14. Pietersen
13. De Jongh
12. Steyn
11. Habana
10. Lambie
9. Hougaard

1. Mtwarira
2. du Plessis
3. du Plessis
4. van der Merwe
5. Kruger
6. Coetzee
7. Alberts
8. Daniel

would be the XV I would select for the 1st test.

I would be amazed if Meyer's selection was anywhere near that.

by FerN Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:48 pm

Bullsbok wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:
FerN wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:No Brussow????

As an English fan I'm very very happy with that!

Don't worry we have better.

Really???

Our one issue is not having a 7, Brussow would take us to the cleaners. Thank you Meyer

His name is Bismarck Du Plessis and he has the most steals in SupeRugby .Good luck .

I thought it is Tiaan Liebenberg (also a SA hooker)

by **Biltong** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:49 pm

If you break it down.

Front row.
Coenie Oosthuizen, Tendai Mtawarira,
Bismarck du Plessis, Adriaan Strauss, Chiliboy Ralepelle
Jannie du Plessis, Werner Kruger,

Why is Chiliboy there, we don't need another hooker, rather an extra prop.

Locks
Flip van der Merwe, Eben Etzebeth, Juandré Kruger

Probably the best available.

Injured players we'll miss: Andries Bekker.

Backrow
Marcell Coetzee, Keegan Daniel,
Willem Alberts, Jaques Potgieter
Pierre Spies, Ryan Kankowski,

Injured players we'll miss: Schalk Burger, Jaques Potgieter, Juan Smith

Half backs
Francois Hougaard, Ruan Pienaar, Jano Vermaak

Why?

Flyhalves.
Morne Steyn, Elton Jantjies,

Meyer will probably not play Lambie at 10.

Midfield.
Wynand Olivier, Jean de Villiers, JJ Engelbrecht, Frans Steyn.

I have no idea how he is going to combine them.

Wings.
Bryan Habana, Bjorn Basson, JP Pietersen, Lwazi Mvovo

I suppose you can't complain about them.

Fullback.
Patrick Lambie, Zane Kirchner

Best available.

by Bullsbok Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:49 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:15. Aplon
14. Pietersen
13. De Jongh
12. Steyn
11. Habana
10. Lambie
9. Hougaard

1. Mtwarira
2. du Plessis
3. du Plessis
4. van der Merwe
5. Kruger
6. Coetzee
7. Alberts
8. Daniel

would be the XV I would select for the 1st test.

I would be amazed if Meyer's selection was anywhere near that.

For once i would agree with my compatriot Biltong here, just why would he select so many lightweight players to get bullied in contact?

by Bullsbok Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:50 pm

It would appear , Liebenberg made a few steals today i was quoting the stats before they got updated after this last game

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:50 pm

Super rugby is not International rugby. It's hard for a hooker to play as an OS in the loose. For a start you're pretty much tied up come scrum time.

I'm very happy Brussow hasnt been picked, we'll have him if you don't.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:52 pm

Coetzee/Daniel are extremely underpowered, surprised theyre anywhere near a Bok jersey

by Bullsbok Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:52 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Coetzee/Daniel are extremely underpowered, surprised theyre anywhere near a Bok jersey

You are beginning to sound like a troll

by **Biltong** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:53 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:15. ~~Aplon~~M Steyn
14. Pietersen
13. ~~De Jongh~~de Villiers
12. F Steyn
11. Habana
10. Lambie
9. Hougaard

1. Mtwarira
2. du Plessis
3. du Plessis
4. van der Merwe
5. Kruger
6. Coetzee
7. Alberts
8. ~~Daniel~~Spies

Bench:
Coenie Oosthuizen
Adriaan Strauss
Werner Kruger
Eben Etzebeth
Keegan Daniel
Ruan Pienaar
Gio Aplon

would be the XV I would select for the 1st test.

I would be amazed if Meyer's selection was anywhere near that.

Fixed that for you a little. thumbsup

by **Biltong** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:55 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Coetzee/Daniel are extremely underpowered, surprised theyre anywhere near a Bok jersey

Mate if you think Coetzee is underpowered, then you are thinking of my brother in law, he weighs 75 kg's and has never played rugby.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:57 pm

Bullsbok wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Coetzee/Daniel are extremely underpowered, surprised theyre anywhere near a Bok jersey

You are beginning to sound like a troll

?????? Because my opinion differs to yours?

Add Kankowski into that also. Seem to recall Coetzee nearly getting put in the stands from a Mumm(yes Dean Mumm) hand off a few months back.

by fa0019 Sat 02 Jun 2012, 8:59 pm

Daniel would be a good choice IMO for starting openside. He has played well this season.

However I think ENG will be looking at a Alberts, Daniel & Spies trio and think.... we can dominate these guys.

Brussow may have had a poor season but he is still bar Daniel the only real openside in contention.
I think Ashley Johnson should be a little disappointed... he is the best cheetahs backrower this year and better than some selected.

I'd say a Haskell, Robshaw & Morgan backrow may have the beating of these guys anyhow. I'd be a little concerned.

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:01 pm

Biltong, are you serious about Morne at 15???

For me that would be mental.

by **Biltong** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:03 pm

Forwards.
7 Sharks
6 Bulls
2 Cheetahs
1 Stormer.

Backs.
7 Bulls
3 Sharks + 1 (F Steyn is now a shark)
2 Stormers
1 Lion
1 Ulster

It will be very interesting to see how many non bulls get into his matchday 22.

by **Biltong** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:04 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
Bullsbok wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Coetzee/Daniel are extremely underpowered, surprised theyre anywhere near a Bok jersey

You are beginning to sound like a troll

?????? Because my opinion differs to yours?

Add Kankowski into that also. Seem to recall Coetzee nearly getting put in the stands from a Mumm(yes Dean Mumm) hand off a few months back.

So you base your entire opinion on one hand off? Doh

by **Biltong** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:05 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:Biltong, are you serious about Morne at 15???

For me that would be mental.

Yeat I leave for Aplon, whs, remember I don't want us to run willy nill and get the full back inovled all the time, then he comes on for the last 20. thumbsup

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:05 pm

fa0019 wrote:Daniel would be a good choice IMO for starting openside. He has played well this season.

However I think ENG will be looking at a Alberts, Daniel & Spies trio and think.... we can dominate these guys.

Brussow may have had a poor season but he is still bar Daniel the only real openside in contention.
I think Ashley Johnson should be a little disappointed... he is the best cheetahs backrower this year and better than some selected.

I'd say a Haskell, Robshaw & Morgan backrow may have the beating of these guys anyhow. I'd be a little concerned.

Exactly my thoughts. These players are not Burger & Smith.

Its been years since I thought our loosies would get edge on a SA trio but nothing in that squad scares me.

6. Bruss
7. Alberts
8. Spies

Would give us serious issues. Daniel, Kankowski and Coetzee are not particularly great players for me.

by fa0019 Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:05 pm

Lambie did look a little vunerable at 15... a little bit off the pace.

JP Pietersen is not a centre. Attack is fine... defence is awful. With Tuilagi SA need a good defender... I don't even think JDV is the best choice at 13... in fact I don't know who is now De Jongh was cut.

by **Ozzy3213** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:06 pm

I find it really strange that there are more Bulls backs than forwards in the squad.

by Bullsbok Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:07 pm

looking at the centers im thinking JJ might just be Meyers long term solution to outside center with JDJ out now.

And scrumhalves , i will say while i like FDP and think he should have been called up , the decision to not call him means Hougaard will start guaranteed.The only problem is the gameplan .IF meyer forces him to kick then hougaard will be very ineffective but if he allows him to play his natural run and gun style england could be in trouble

by **Biltong** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:08 pm

Ozzy3213 wrote:I find it really strange that there are more Bulls backs than forwards in the squad.

Springbok squad announced. Smiley-laughing021

by fa0019 Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:09 pm

Kankowski has been injured but if fit that guy would walk into most sides. Very talented.

Doesn't really suit SA's style though.. if he was an Aussie/European he'd start every test.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:09 pm

biltongbek wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:
Bullsbok wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Coetzee/Daniel are extremely underpowered, surprised theyre anywhere near a Bok jersey

You are beginning to sound like a troll

?????? Because my opinion differs to yours?

Add Kankowski into that also. Seem to recall Coetzee nearly getting put in the stands from a Mumm(yes Dean Mumm) hand off a few months back.

So you base your entire opinion on one hand off?

Obviously not, I've seen Coetzee offer little all season. The Stormers 6 (llosi??) is a much brighter prospect imo.

by Bullsbok Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:10 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
biltongbek wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:
Bullsbok wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Coetzee/Daniel are extremely underpowered, surprised theyre anywhere near a Bok jersey

You are beginning to sound like a troll

?????? Because my opinion differs to yours?

Add Kankowski into that also. Seem to recall Coetzee nearly getting put in the stands from a Mumm(yes Dean Mumm) hand off a few months back.

So you base your entire opinion on one hand off?

Obviously not, I've seen Coetzee offer little all season. The Stormers 6 (llosi??) is a much brighter prospect imo.

Its a good thing SA sides are picked by south african selectors kiss

by **Biltong** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:10 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
biltongbek wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:
Bullsbok wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Coetzee/Daniel are extremely underpowered, surprised theyre anywhere near a Bok jersey

You are beginning to sound like a troll

?????? Because my opinion differs to yours?

Add Kankowski into that also. Seem to recall Coetzee nearly getting put in the stands from a Mumm(yes Dean Mumm) hand off a few months back.

So you base your entire opinion on one hand off?

Obviously not, I've seen Coetzee offer little all season. The Stormers 6 (llosi??) is a much brighter prospect imo.

Well I then leave you to your assessment, and will wait for the test seres. thumbsup

by fa0019 Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:12 pm

Problem with Hougaard is that he is a front foot player. He doesn't have the skill set of a test scrum half specialist.... he is really a utility player who can play scrumhalf. Pienaar would be a far better choice... he knows European rugby and is a better scrumhalf (arguably not necessarily a better player mind) than Hougaard.

We showed tonight how he can be put under pressure.

If ENG get a nudge on come scrumtime and in the tight he will have a tough series.

by **LondonTiger** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:12 pm

Why is Chilliboy there? Is he really one of the best hookers in SA? If he is it puts our hooking woes into perspective.

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:13 pm

biltongbek wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:
biltongbek wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:
Bullsbok wrote:
Sgt_Pooly wrote:Coetzee/Daniel are extremely underpowered, surprised theyre anywhere near a Bok jersey

You are beginning to sound like a troll

?????? Because my opinion differs to yours?

Add Kankowski into that also. Seem to recall Coetzee nearly getting put in the stands from a Mumm(yes Dean Mumm) hand off a few months back.

So you base your entire opinion on one hand off?

Obviously not, I've seen Coetzee offer little all season. The Stormers 6 (llosi??) is a much brighter prospect imo.

Well I then leave you to your assessment, and will wait for the test seres.

Bring it on!!!

If this was in our backyard I'd fancy a 3-0, could go either way at your place though. Whoever wins first test will win 2-1 I think.

by **Biltong** Sat 02 Jun 2012, 9:14 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Why is Chilliboy there? Is he really one of the best hookers in SA? If he is it puts our hooking woes into perspective.

No, he shouldn't be there, but then there is the (quota thing he says softly).

Springbok squad announced. Smiley-ashamed005

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