Referees

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Outrageous news this morning as rouge Irish referee George "Vigilante" Clancy has escaped with a mere warning after blatantly overstepping his jurisdiction and conspiring with an unknown local man to rub out a valid All Black try in Port Elizabeth on Saturday.

After first suggesting that Clancy would be dealt with appropriately "It was disappointing and will form part of our discussions when we next meet." and confirming that the try should have stood, that Clancy was incorrect and that the local South African school teacher had led Clancy astray, toothless IRB chief referee O'Brien again displayed his inept handling of refereeing failure when he did nothing other than offer that "referees will be reminded of the protocol".

In a chilling reminder of O'Brien's failure to tackle the indept performance of English whistler Wayne Barnes in the 2007 RWC, Paddy remarked "the gaffe would not have any World Cup consequences, and didn't affect the outcome of the game".

Israel Dagg has suggested that the pass was not forward anyway, and that the incident which saw the local South African man (drafted in under questionable circumstances at the 11th hour apparently in contingency for such an opportunity) was really a moot point given the legality of the pass in the first place.

Graham Henry, as amiable and level headed as ever pointed out that if the pass was not forward then the try should have been awarded regardless of the efforts of the pair to conspire to find a reason to rule out the try.

It's clear that the sooner that POB is replaced with Steve Walsh, the better.

TheGreyGhost wrote:I didn't say Kearns was British. I said I don't listen to anything that any idiot says. Frankly my mind is sufficiently open to recognise BS when I hear it. And the stuff peddled out in British commentaries is the worst in the world.

TheGreyGhost wrote:I didn't say Kearns was British. I said I don't listen to anything that any idiot says. Frankly my mind is sufficiently open to recognise BS when I hear it. And the stuff peddled out in British commentaries is the worst in the world.

You did say you dont listen to anything they say though which makes me wonder how you know what they say. But maybe Im just being deliberatly picky in an atempt to prove this argument can get even sillier.
Maybe its the long words they use that puts you off due to your childish cultural background.

TheGreyGhost wrote:I didn't say Kearns was British. I said I don't listen to anything that any idiot says. Frankly my mind is sufficiently open to recognise BS when I hear it. And the stuff peddled out in British commentaries is the worst in the world.

I'd agree if we were talking about Eddie butler who is a struggle or brian Moore who is a little loco but there are some good English/British pundits in my view.

leinsterbaby wrote:

TheGreyGhost wrote:I didn't say Kearns was British. I said I don't listen to anything that any idiot says. Frankly my mind is sufficiently open to recognise BS when I hear it. And the stuff peddled out in British commentaries is the worst in the world.

I'd agree if we were talking about Eddie butler who is a struggle or brian Moore who is a little loco but there are some good English/British pundits in my view.

Surely not ? TGG has spoken, there is apparently nothing good about anything British.

We owe GG a massive thank you for travelling all the way up here, and staying, to let us know how awful everything is and how badly we are getting it wrong. The sacrifice that this self styled nationalistic missionary is making in order to help us all to become better people, more like his faultless brethren in the Utopia from whence he came, is truly staggering.

Furthermore GG's rugby knowledge is the one true way. Who would have thought that the every other rugby player/fan in the world had got it so wrong? Thank you GG for showing us that there are no opinions. Just your true word.

Graciously accepted oval, thanks. I'll admit some days are a struggle, but to be thanked so selflessly makes it all worth while.

You keep it up. We need to be cleansed with the truth.

While I'm on it. Cross Rail is a great white elephant, and the banks will leave before they're restructured. Giant mistake, giant.

Now you're just so honest that you are confusing Government policy with what actually happens rather than what they want people to read about in the press.

TheGreyGhost wrote: Cross Rail is a great white elephant

Cross Rail is in the England pack?

Nah, I would've said great white and occasionally black elephant.

TheGreyGhost wrote:Nah, I would've said great white and occasionally black elephant.

Be fair, Courtney Lawes is predominantly black

But at least he is English!

Can black people be English if brown PI people can't be New Zealanders?

nganboy wrote:Can black people be English if brown PI people can't be New Zealanders?

If they were born and raised in New Zealand and held citizenship sure.
Or in the case of a Tuilagi if they get special goverment dispensation to re-enter the country depsite formaly living their illegaly ...sure why not?

While I'm on it. Cross Rail is a great white elephant, and the banks will leave before they're restructured. Giant mistake, giant

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Any chance you could leave with them? I know that after the riots of load of people went on the streets to clean the trash up... unfortunately they did not clean it all up as you still seem to be here.

Your old mate Clancy's recieved the gift basket you sent him then GG....

We can't even buy a TMO decision then.

I hope England NEVER get this ref again

Yep. He broke with tradition and subjected you to the laws...for almost 80 minutes.

We've all heard the names before.

Just two weeks ago the Barnes/Goddard pairing were making headlines for TMO ineptitude. We have to look as far back as a week prior to that to find an incident involving Clancy's TMO failure change the course of a game. Of course Barnes himself is no stranger to world cup controversy - having failed at the highest level when his game blindness saw NZ unfairly dumped out of the last world cup when he decided to referee only one team.

Prior to the RWC I expressed my hope that these names wouldn't feature in the list of key playmakers in the RWC. Paddy O'brien has certainly seen enough from this trio of late that if they were players subject to the kind of selectional scrutiny from fans and coaches alike they would feature alongside the likes of Donald or Hodgson as those who could not be trusted with international honours.

In the recent weeks I expressed my dismay at the reappointment of the woeful Barnes, the clueless Clancy and the godawful Goddard. POB in his cushy 6 figure salaried job chose to take no action other than to issue feeble "reminders" and "statements of intent". I even questioned the adjudication of a shot at goal involving SA recently, under Clancy's supervision. I could see it - why couldn't the most high ranking official on the planet?

Now with a crucial world cup match possibly erroneously decided by duff adjudication in just the first weekend...the game we all talked of as THE game of the round, it makes me wonder just how much will POB and his seemingly unaccountable minions be allowed to get away with before SOMEBODY does SOMETHING?



Merging with the existing refs thread

Am amazed that POB didn't listen and bow to your superior view, GG?!

How the f.... do you know it was a wrong decision?

From a 2D picture on TV?

From James Hook who was running back to the halfway line so not really looking?

The touch judges are in the absolute best position to see what has happened to a kick.

It was ambigious, therefor a correct decision to not award the goal.
The Welsh players werent upset by the decision, Warburton even said theres no garaunteing that SA wouldnt have won anyway had the 3 points been given.
Contrast that attitude to Cueto and his annoyance at the 11 point try not being awarded.

TheGreyGhost wrote:We've all heard the names before.

Just two weeks ago the Barnes/Goddard pairing were making headlines for TMO ineptitude. We have to look as far back as a week prior to that to find an incident involving Clancy's TMO failure change the course of a game. Of course Barnes himself is no stranger to world cup controversy - having failed at the highest level when his game blindness saw NZ unfairly dumped out of the last world cup when he decided to referee only one team.

Prior to the RWC I expressed my hope that these names wouldn't feature in the list of key playmakers in the RWC. Paddy O'brien has certainly seen enough from this trio of late that if they were players subject to the kind of selectional scrutiny from fans and coaches alike they would feature alongside the likes of Donald or Hodgson as those who could not be trusted with international honours.

In the recent weeks I expressed my dismay at the reappointment of the woeful Barnes, the clueless Clancy and the godawful Goddard. POB in his cushy 6 figure salaried job chose to take no action other than to issue feeble "reminders" and "statements of intent". I even questioned the adjudication of a shot at goal involving SA recently, under Clancy's supervision. I could see it - why couldn't the most high ranking official on the planet?

Now with a crucial world cup match possibly erroneously decided by duff adjudication in just the first weekend...the game we all talked of as THE game of the round, it makes me wonder just how much will POB and his seemingly unaccountable minions be allowed to get away with before SOMEBODY does SOMETHING?


Merging with the existing refs thread

I know, Lawrence's biased reffing in favour of the Argies was astonishing!

I actually thought he favoured England, especially when he let tuilagis early tackle go, and missed all if laws indiscretions.

TheGreyGhost wrote:I actually thought he favoured England, especially when he let tuilagis early tackle go, and missed all if laws indiscretions.

It seems we all make mistakes from time to time GG

Could we use the world cup as an opportunity to rid ourselves of all rubbish referees?

Invite Wayne Barnes (remember him when he was in the first division refereeing London Welsh - he was woeful then); the Changlings, Steve Walsh, Clancy, Chris White to a boat party - and then point the boat towards Antarctica and let them go. Madagascar style.

Any other nominations for the boat?

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

TheGreyGhost wrote:I actually thought he favoured England, especially when he let tuilagis early tackle go, and missed all if laws indiscretions.

It seems we all make mistakes from time to time GG

What's your point? I'm commenting on a forum from a smart phone over a bad internet connection. Hardly in the same ball park as bollocksing up your job.

The thing is that at the moment the global game is in a state where the players and coaching is far more advanced and professional than the refereeing is. The refs are like a throw back to the amateur days, unfit, inconsistent, poor knowledge of the laws and too many get away with too many mistakes.

The gap between the top teams is now so small that the difference on the day is often the mistakes made by the referees.

Paddy O'Brien is to blame for this, given that he's the head ref. We need him to go and be replaced by a more thorough managerial professional.

I think my point is that you take yourself too seriously which makes it very hard for other people to

You should take GG seriously.
Someone who spends as much time on this site throughout the day should be taken VERY seriously.

After all who else is there to point out all that is wrong in the (mainly English) Rugby world than the Kiwi Rugby Oracle?

At last, you're talking sense.

How would you know GG?

What's your point? I'm commenting on a forum from a smart phone over a bad internet connection. Hardly in the same ball park as bollocksing up your job.

The dangers of technology - we have to be exposed to GG's ramblings anytime, anywhere 24/7.

Does anyone kmow why Mr Poite gave Paul Williams a yellow card this after noon?

Have to admit thought Clancy had a reasonable game today by his own miserably low standards !

TheGreyGhost wrote:I actually thought he favoured England, especially when he let tuilagis early tackle go, and missed all if laws indiscretions.

Can't believe you bit at that one GG. Too easy. Worryingly i think you genuinely believe this.

I'll say this though, I owe you an apology. I've often said 10 man rugby can be compelling - that game was all the proof i needed that it isn't. Absolutely staggeringly dull. I know we all love Argentina as 'plucky underdogs' given their resources but they really are the common denominator in some awful games. At least England sometime stumble upon a decent performance, rare as it is.

Both are a distant second to Scotland v ... well, anyone.

Have to wonder about Lawrence though, if only he'd reead the NH press then he wouldve known the savage in Englands centres was likely to put in some illeagal hits and ben ready for that eh GG
Maybe he was too busyplaying on his smart phone.

Englands pool is a disgrace isnt it? At least Romania seem intent on allowing sides to walk through them, try bonus point for Scotland? Surely not.

We can't have England going out early, their fans make up such a large proportion of the advertising market...

TheGreyGhost wrote:We can't have England going out early, their fans make up such a large proportion of the advertising market...

A fair point, i suspect the only thing we will bring to this WC

That's the spirit Hood!