Has Scott Quigg been................. Well or Poorly managed ??

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 17 Feb 2015, 11:08 am

Interesting to hear your take on this guys............

We have a pretty talented fighter who's been led down a convenient path to a "World" title and been successful in four pretty comfortable defences........He's good but he does look limited.........

On the other hand we have a semi laughing stock who despite being a member of a very small minority of Brit World champions is fighting sometimes as low as second/third support and who's name still only registers in Boxing circles..........

It's a tough one..........

by Rowley Tue 17 Feb 2015, 11:16 am

I feel a bit for Quigg, he is not the first and is certainly not the last to get his world title via something of a back door, hell that seems to be more the norm these days. However, as I have said previously we seem to have a need to pick a boxer who becomes representative and poster boy for all the sports ills. It was Cleverley some time ago until Kovalev dealt with him, now it appears to be Quigg. As I have said previously Rigo is champion at super bantam, until either Leo, Quigg or Frampton beat him they are all just titlists or paper champions, depending on your perspective, why Quigg gets singled out for additional scorn is beyond me.

I quite like the kid, don’t think he is the greatest fighter in the world, but he is pretty good to watch and seems a decent enough kid, good luck to him. Still think him and Frampton is a close fight and a good one.

by Derbymanc Tue 17 Feb 2015, 11:18 am

Yes and no Truss,

From him and his promoters point of view he's probably doing fine, earning half decent money and supporting his family, he's got a trinket round his waist so he can claim to be a champion and if he ever needed a boost in money then there's a couple of fights he could take.

From a fans point of view, yes it's a waste as he should be good enough to mix it with the top boys but if all you fight is duds then eventually your skills will diminish (skill fade) and when he comes up against someone half decent and loses he'll be derided for all time.

From a personal point of view, i'd like to see him step up (as i would for any boxer, world class or not) but so many fans would instantly turn there backs on him if he lost regardless of the opponent that as much as I hate it I can see why it's done.

by Strongback Tue 17 Feb 2015, 11:55 am

Santa Cruz, Frampton and Rigondeaux are in meaning fights while Quigg is in stay busy fights.

I think Matchroom have banked on Frampton v Quigg being a big domestic fight and feel that until it happens Quigg is on ice. The fact there has been a breakdown between Cyclone Promotions and Matchroom has delayed Eddie's plans and Quigg is the one who suffers.

Rigondeaux has been making some noise about getting the WBA to force a mandatory with Quigg. Rigo needs to force a money fight as the others won't go near him.

I think the only other viable meaningful fight is Santa Cruz but he would call the shots and Quigg would be travelling to the States.

The best bet looks like Matchroom making McGuigan an offer he can't refuse.

by Derbymanc Tue 17 Feb 2015, 11:58 am

Ahh but would you class that as poor management Strongy or the right to do for the boxer and the company (not for the fans as we know it gets on our collective wicks)?

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 17 Feb 2015, 12:09 pm

When a world champion has to finish his fight and then see a novice in Joshua go on next........It must be something of an insult......

Then again he is a world champion!!.. and would he be one had he been taken down a stiffer route ??.....

Must agree with Rowley that anybody who thinks Frampton-Quigg is one way traffic is a fool.......

Pick Frampton to win though...

by Derbymanc Tue 17 Feb 2015, 12:19 pm

It depends on how he feels as a fighter i'd suppose Truss. We all know that there's very good footballers out there that play for the money, suppose boxing is the game and as long as he can support his family I would guess that he's not as fussed as we are.

He's only youngish and has got enough time to earn himself a nest egg before taking on the tougher fights (once again i'm not condoning this.)

Think Strongy hit the nail on the head though that Eddie and Co see him and Frampton as a massive fight so really dn't want to jeapordise it

by Guest Tue 17 Feb 2015, 12:44 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:When a world champion has to finish his fight and then see a novice in Joshua go on next........It must be something of an insult......
Then again he is a world champion!!.. and would he be one had he been taken down a stiffer route ??.....

Must agree with Rowley that anybody who thinks Frampton-Quigg is one way traffic is a fool.......

Pick Frampton to win though...

Ricardo Lopez once fought on the undercard of a Laila Ali fight. Sadly, some fighters appeal to the public that bit more and whilst there's lots to like about Quigg, he doesn't get the pulse racing which is why Frampton is always going to be a better sell, let alone another HW hope in Joshua

by Qoxiivi Tue 17 Feb 2015, 2:14 pm

Well........................................................................................................................................................................................................... it depends on how good you think he is.

by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs Tue 17 Feb 2015, 2:31 pm

I think Quiggs journey to the title shot wasn't bad, but his reign as a champion has left alot to be desired

Like most of the above you can't really argue he's been managed poorly or well. Yes he could have had some better fights and should have by now, but he still is a world champion and is still winning. The frampton fight will always be there and in the past that fight didn't happen due to rival TV networks and constant switching of promotes

He's still only 26 and has a lot of potential, he's not a great fighter but he's a very good fighter with good technique, power, natural strength at the weight and is physically very fit so will be a hard fight for anyone at the weight.

Do think he needs to start fighting better opposition as someone said you can end up becoming the level if your opposition and quite frankly his opposition just isn't world class

Would love to see LSC and Quigg think that'll be a great fight. Both have the same strengths as in they like to throw lots of punches, neither have one punch ko power but they like to grind the other one down with pressure and body attack and they both have that tight guard. Think that's a really fun fight real close fight to call. He just needs to keep his name relevant

by Yojimbonufc Tue 17 Feb 2015, 2:47 pm

Strongback wrote:Santa Cruz, Frampton and Rigondeaux are in meaning fights while Quigg is in stay busy fights.

Are Leo's defences any more meaningful than Quigg's?

All four of these guys have the magic 0, with Rigo being the only guy who's proven IMO but he's mid 30's and is not going to last forever. Frampton has yet to defend although he does look good. Quigg is percieved as the weak link and rightly so, he wont start as favourite in any head to head, but he has a fair chance.

In terms of management, he's making the most financially out of having a belt in a career that rarely goes past 40. He's 26 with a few defences behind him and some security in the bank. Compare that to someome like Calzaghe who was like 33 with 3/4 times as many defences before he decided to unify. Hopefully 2015 is the year to find out who is the man at this weight.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 17 Feb 2015, 2:58 pm

Well argued.....

by Yojimbonufc Tue 17 Feb 2015, 3:30 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Well argued.....

Thanks

by Strongback Tue 17 Feb 2015, 3:35 pm

Yojimbonufc wrote:
Strongback wrote:Santa Cruz, Frampton and Rigondeaux are in meaning fights while Quigg is in stay busy fights.

Are Leo's defences any more meaningful than Quigg's?

At least a couple of Leo's opponents had fought at world level. Quigg has had particularly bad opponents in fights that were two or three round blow outs.

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 17 Feb 2015, 4:24 pm

Strongback wrote:
Yojimbonufc wrote:
Strongback wrote:Santa Cruz, Frampton and Rigondeaux are in meaning fights while Quigg is in stay busy fights.

Are Leo's defences any more meaningful than Quigg's?

At least a couple of Leo's opponents had fought at world level.

Isn't that an indictment of the current scene........

by **Seanusarrilius** Tue 17 Feb 2015, 5:36 pm

Quigg is indicative of Hearn's general (not total, but general) strategy with certain fighters in his stable. Hearn sees a massive even,t on the horizon which is called Frampton. He worked Quigg into title contention so that he can sell us that fight as PPV. Unfortunately, every fight he has given Quigg since winning the belt has been either guff or uninteresting to watch. He has not built a following, at all, and as a result we are sick of seeing him fight 4 times in a 12 month period. I think Hearn is a great promoter, but a poor matchmaker and builder of fighters. Quigg is a reflection of this. I see what Hearn is doing. He sees Frampton and a big pay day for his fighter. But the problem is 3 fold with Quigg:

a) he won a non-title title which he was given - Frampton has a legit belt
b) he has no stand out victory on his record - Frampton beat Kiko Martinez, twice
c) he has no fans - Frampton has an army

by Yojimbonufc Tue 17 Feb 2015, 6:41 pm

Strongback wrote:
Yojimbonufc wrote:
Strongback wrote:Santa Cruz, Frampton and Rigondeaux are in meaning fights while Quigg is in stay busy fights.

Are Leo's defences any more meaningful than Quigg's?

At least a couple of Leo's opponents had fought at world level. Quigg has had particularly bad opponents in fights that were two or three round blow outs.

Most of Quigg's recent opponents have challenged for a belt, which I assume you class as fighting at world level. It's just the state that boxing is in with 4 major belts available. Even Jason Booth had a crack at it. Leo has just been doing it mainly against fellow latinos with.

I think Leo and Quigg have comparable reigns so far, neither have challenged themselves too much. It's just that Quigg is british and open to more critism, especially as he has a direct rival in Frampton who everyone (rightly) considers to have more promise.

Seanusarrilius wrote:

a) he won a non-title title which he was given - Frampton has a legit belt
b) he has no stand out victory on his record - Frampton beat Kiko Martinez, twice
c) he has no fans - Frampton has an army

This sums up his problem pretty much. All roads lead to a showdown with Frampton at some stage, hopefully this year but you never know.

by **Seanusarrilius** Tue 17 Feb 2015, 8:13 pm

Will Frampton's ITV deal make that fight more or less likely? It would make sense to have it on terrestrial television, but Hearn is beholden to Sky and he would also want PPV to pay purses. HOw would his buddy Adam Smith like it if he took a fight like Quigg v Frampton to ITV?

by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 17 Feb 2015, 8:17 pm

They won't get PPv purses because they are jr feathers and no one has heard of them outside of the boxing community.............Not Benn v Eubank.......

So it could be made on ITV..........

In all likelihood..........Hearn will stay loyal to SKY..........

ITV is a problem...............One of the reasons it won't get made..

by Gerry SA Tue 17 Feb 2015, 8:27 pm

Quigg is a bum who's parading around with a paper title. Sums up what kind of joke he is.

by Rowley Tue 17 Feb 2015, 8:33 pm

Can we not find better ways of expressing our opinions of boxers than bums? Don't really give a flying one whether you rate Quigg or otherwise (the same applies to every other boxer) but they put their lives at risk for our entertainment. They deserve at least a modicum of respect surely.

by Derbymanc Tue 17 Feb 2015, 8:37 pm

Rowley wrote:Can we not find better ways of expressing our opinions of boxers than bums? Don't really give a flying one whether you rate Quigg or otherwise (the same applies to every other boxer) but they put their lives at risk for our entertainment. They deserve at least a modicum of respect surely.

This all the way clap

by Strongback Tue 17 Feb 2015, 10:52 pm

Yojimbonufc wrote:
Strongback wrote:
Yojimbonufc wrote:
Strongback wrote:Santa Cruz, Frampton and Rigondeaux are in meaning fights while Quigg is in stay busy fights.

Are Leo's defences any more meaningful than Quigg's?

At least a couple of Leo's opponents had fought at world level. Quigg has had particularly bad opponents in fights that were two or three round blow outs.

Most of Quigg's recent opponents have challenged for a belt, which I assume you class as fighting at world level. It's just the state that boxing is in with 4 major belts available. Even Jason Booth had a crack at it. Leo has just been doing it mainly against fellow latinos with.

I think Leo and Quigg have comparable reigns so far, neither have challenged themselves too much. It's just that Quigg is british and open to more critism, especially as he has a direct rival in Frampton who everyone (rightly) considers to have more promise.

Had a look, only one of Quigg's last 4 opponents, since he won the paper belt, has fought for a world strap before they fought Quigg.

by John Bloody Wayne Tue 17 Feb 2015, 10:53 pm

Derbymanc wrote:
Rowley wrote:Can we not find better ways of expressing our opinions of boxers than bums? Don't really give a flying one whether you rate Quigg or otherwise (the same applies to every other boxer) but they put their lives at risk for our entertainment. They deserve at least a modicum of respect surely.

This all the way

Has Scott Quigg been................. Well or Poorly managed ?? Right-On-Bro2

by catchweight Tue 17 Feb 2015, 11:02 pm

Unambitious and arsing around management over the last year. Not much for the fan to get excited about unless you like listening to Joe Gallagher master planning a draw with a boxer that got wiped out by a journey man and talking up replacements for sub par match ups as top drawer opponents (I do).

by Gerry SA Tue 17 Feb 2015, 11:50 pm

Yojimbonufc wrote:
Strongback wrote:
Yojimbonufc wrote:
Strongback wrote:Santa Cruz, Frampton and Rigondeaux are in meaning fights while Quigg is in stay busy fights.

Are Leo's defences any more meaningful than Quigg's?

At least a couple of Leo's opponents had fought at world level. Quigg has had particularly bad opponents in fights that were two or three round blow outs.

Most of Quigg's recent opponents have challenged for a belt, which I assume you class as fighting at world level. It's just the state that boxing is in with 4 major belts available. Even Jason Booth had a crack at it. Leo has just been doing it mainly against fellow latinos with.

I think Leo and Quigg have comparable reigns so far, neither have challenged themselves too much. It's just that Quigg is british and open to more critism, especially as he has a direct rival in Frampton who everyone (rightly) considers to have more promise.

Seanusarrilius wrote:

a) he won a non-title title which he was given - Frampton has a legit belt
b) he has no stand out victory on his record - Frampton beat Kiko Martinez, twice
c) he has no fans - Frampton has an army

This sums up his problem pretty much. All roads lead to a showdown with Frampton at some stage, hopefully this year but you never know.

On Leo's CV, he has beaten 3 world champions(they held titles not 'regular', paper, out of the trash can nonsense - that Quigg has).

by Yojimbonufc Wed 18 Feb 2015, 9:23 am

Strongback wrote:
Had a look, only one of Quigg's last 4 opponents, since he won the paper belt, has fought for a world strap before they fought Quigg.

In their last 4 defences Quigg has 3 who have previously challenged at world level (2 interim/vacant), whereas Leo has 2 at world level (1 vancant/interim).

Gerry SA wrote:
On Leo's CV, he has beaten 3 world champions(they held titles not 'regular', paper, out of the trash can nonsense - that Quigg has).

I was only comparing their title reigns at super bantam. They are both currently coasting against relatively easy opposition. I have never claimed Quigg to have a better CV, or be the better fighter. I would give Quigg a decent chance against him though. Rigo and Frampton handle both IMO.

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