Wladimir Klitschko vs........

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what do people think to this potential contest?

Victor probably idolises the Danny Devito character out of one Flew over the cuckoo's nest!

Guys you can slate Fury and Price's opposition but let's be honest....A Heavy title = £5million + a defence....

A lot of titles are going to become vacant very soon......

Only a fool would risk a guy with a pulse...

complain all you want about all the heavys out there who don't want it, or who are waiting for a better time to take a shot at the title, but in boxing if you chuck enough money at a problem it goes away, fighting mayweather or donaire is pretty much taking a defeat but they never fail to secure decent fights, i think chisora got about 100,000 quid to fight klitchsko, and ortiz got a couple of million for mayweather, throw a million or 2 and take the fight in the other guys back yard or dont force him to fight your brother if he wins and the k bros might find a few of these contenders change their minds

Yeah or why not offer to fight opponents with one arm tied behind their back!

Offering reasonable terms to get decent fights doesn't seem too much to ask to me or do we judge them on different criteria to everyone else.

eddyfightfan wrote:complain all you want about all the heavys out there who don't want it, or who are waiting for a better time to take a shot at the title, but in boxing if you chuck enough money at a problem it goes away, fighting mayweather or donaire is pretty much taking a defeat but they never fail to secure decent fights, i think chisora got about 100,000 quid to fight klitchsko, and ortiz got a couple of million for mayweather, throw a million or 2 and take the fight in the other guys back yard or dont force him to fight your brother if he wins and the k bros might find a few of these contenders change their minds

Like Adamek vs Vitali?

Or Vitai vs Arreola?

Remind me if I'm wrong, but are the champions supposed to fight "away" from home and give the, big money???

In that case, look no further than Andre Ward for example!!

froch did and look at the huge respect he got, if wlad is happy beating the likes of mormeck and fres, then fine but dont say it couldn't be any other way because it could.

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eddyfightfan wrote:complain all you want about all the heavys out there who don't want it, or who are waiting for a better time to take a shot at the title, but in boxing if you chuck enough money at a problem it goes away, fighting mayweather or donaire is pretty much taking a defeat but they never fail to secure decent fights, i think chisora got about 100,000 quid to fight klitchsko, and ortiz got a couple of million for mayweather, throw a million or 2 and take the fight in the other guys back yard or dont force him to fight your brother if he wins and the k bros might find a few of these contenders change their minds

Ridiculous comparison. Mayweather fights once a year on average and has done for the last half decade. He has a choice of opponent from about 3 divisions to choose from every year, most of which are more talent rich than the havyweight division.

Wlad fights 2/3 times a year and is confined to the heavyweight division and the odd cruiser. Hes been one of the top heavyweights for the best part of a decade and his fights only earn about 1/3 of what MAyweathers do on average. He has a track record of offering fellowing champions 50/50 purse splits.

How come Mayweather didnt offer Pacuaio 70% to get him in the ring if money solves the issue?

eddyfightfan wrote:froch did and look at the huge respect he got, if wlad is happy beating the likes of mormeck and fres, then fine but dont say it couldn't be any other way because it could.

And Haye, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Byrd, Peter, Chambers, Byrd and the majority of the better candidates out there.

Off the back of Mormeck, Thompson and Wach I think we are well within our rights to expect a bit more from the heavyweight champion, if some wish to accept pitiful matchmaking then it says more about the sport than I thought.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Off the back of Mormeck, Thompson and Wach I think we are well within our rights to expect a bit more from the heavyweight champion, if some wish to accept pitiful matchmaking then it says more about the sport than I thought.

Pretty sure Thompson was his mandatory, so he had to fight him.

You are so bloody dim, on the back of having three useless fights I think we as boxing fans are well within our rights to expect more from the heavyweight champion than a fourth consecutive fight against rubbish. If your mandatory is crud then make sure your next fight is a decent one quite simple and a very reasonable request. To put it into context Mayweather would be heavily slated for fighting Alexander but all the concessions in the world would be made to Wlad if he faced off against Oquendo. This in spite of the fact that Alexander is an infinitely better boxer and far more highly regarded.

Step up Wlad or sod off.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:You are so bloody dim, on the back of having three useless fights I think we as boxing fans are well within our rights to expect more from the heavyweight champion than a fourth consecutive fight against rubbish. If your mandatory is crud then make sure your next fight is a decent one quite simple and a very reasonable request. To put it into context Mayweather would be heavily slated for fighting Alexander but all the concessions in the world would be made to Wlad if he faced off against Oquendo. This in spite of the fact that Alexander is an infinitely better boxer and far more highly regarded.

Step up Wlad or sod off.

He did he tried to face Solis which would be a good fight. Oquendo fight is just rumours that the Klitschko camp have denied. Wlad's plan was to face Solis and then Povetkin which is two good fights in a row.

Some fans have such low expectations.

I'm surprised there's still so much uproar about this. Even if it's confirmed (which it isn't as far as I know), Wladimir-Oquendo isn't the first uninspiring and downright rotten Heavyweight title fight, and it won't be the last. Take just about any long-serving champion with as many title defences as Wladimir has and I guarantee you'll find some lowly names there.

If such a fight were indicative of Wladimir's career as a whole, I'd understand why people are still getting so wound up about it. But it's not; he's consistently taken on the best the division can offer in general with the odd soft fight thrown in between, as is the norm with most long-reigning titlists. It's clear that this is nothing more than a keep busy fight. Wladimir wanted Povetkin and negotiations, at least for now, didn't work out. Yes, maybe Wladimir could have just waited until that fight or a better one was available, but at the end of the day he's the champion and if he wants to stay busy and keep getting run outs wherever possible, that's up to him.

This absolute nonsense about 'slave contracts' and 'unfavourable terms' is basically just a smokescreening reason for those with an irrational dislike of the Klitschkos to run them down, as far as I can see. Haye and Ibragimov sure as hell didn't deserve 50:50 splits against Wladimir, but they got it. If you're not a mandatory, then like it or lump it. The Klitschkos were in the same boat as these other contenders once upon a time as well, but eventually fought their way in to a position where they hold the cards.

Instead of moaning about it, why don't some other contenders take it upon themselves to do the same?

Haye doesn't want Wladimir again, that much is clear. The likes of Fury, Price, Wilder and Mitchell don't wish to go near either brother right now and have all pretty much said so themselves. Adamek and Pulev would be reasonable fights, particularly the latter, but as has been pointed out, chances are they'll prefer to wait until they have mandatory status before they take Wladimir on, which is understandable and likely to happen very soon in any case.

That doesn't mean that Oquendo is the best option available, of course, because he's not. But you can pretty much guarantee that, once he's been dismissed, Wladimir will be back in the ring with a mandatory or top divisional contender later in 2013, which is in line with his whole career as champion, basically. As I said, if this was the norm, then get your knickers in a twist by all means. But it's just a fight to keep Wladimir ticking over, ultimately.

What can I say, if a Povetkin, Pulev, Adamek, Price, Wilder etc hasn't got a shot at Wladimir within the next year, then I'll apologise. But there are too many legitimate fights on Wladimir's record for me to think that he should really take any huge stick over this given how thin his options are.

Off the back of Mormeck, Thompson and Wach match ups like this do seem indicative of Wlad as a champion now. Tyson, Lewis and Holmes didn't scrape the barrel this much for four consecutive fights nor has any heavyweight champion off the top of my head.

3 pages and 116 comments over a fight that is probably not going to happen. Always good to see we can maintain a sense of proportion on here.

Debate is healthy. Better that than a forum so passion-less that nobody bothers to contribute and threads are a) few and far between; and b) only subject to a handful of responses.

Think not606 has that style covered.....

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Off the back of Mormeck, Thompson and Wach match ups like this do seem indicative of Wlad as a champion now. Tyson, Lewis and Holmes didn't scrape the barrel this much for four consecutive fights nor has any heavyweight champion off the top of my head.

So who shoud he face then thats out there?

Who in your eyes would even come close to beating either?

He has fought everyone out there possible, including the oh so great David Haye (who he outclassed).

Its not their fault we have a pathetic division.

Its not like we have a Tyson/Holyfield/Lewis/Ali/Fraizer etc etc around!!


So it brings me back to the same question, who do you think they should fight and why???

mobilemaster8 wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Off the back of Mormeck, Thompson and Wach match ups like this do seem indicative of Wlad as a champion now. Tyson, Lewis and Holmes didn't scrape the barrel this much for four consecutive fights nor has any heavyweight champion off the top of my head.

So who shoud he face then thats out there?

Who in your eyes would even come close to beating either?

He has fought everyone out there possible, including the oh so great David Haye (who he outclassed).

Its not their fault we have a pathetic division.

Its not like we have a Tyson/Holyfield/Lewis/Ali/Fraizer etc etc around!!


So it brings me back to the same question, who do you think they should fight and why???

I been asking him the same question and he can't answer it. He just lists a bunch of names without thinking.

Equally you come up with some very shakey excuses as to why any name Ghosty does come up with is unfeasible.

This is a cack fight against a rubbish oppoenent, plane and simple. That said, I think Wlad has taken on just about any and every relevant opponent out there. A victim of his times....

A victim of time sums it up well.

If any of the contenders showed up in shape or were actually any good, then we wouldnt be moaning.

Wach was undefeated, Haye was the best since sliced bread in the UK, Adamek was considered a challenge as was Solis at the time.

All of them were competely and utterly outclassed.

TopHat24/7 wrote:This is a cack fight against a rubbish oppoenent, plane and simple. That said, I think Wlad has taken on just about any and every relevant opponent out there. A victim of his times....

You've put it much more succinctly than I did above, TopHat, but for me that's the whole issue nicely summarised. Virtually any fight Wladimir takes outside of Haye (knows which way the wind blows on that one and, as such, is targeting Vitali), Price / Fury (neither ready and both doing all they can to distance themselves from the fight in any case) or Adamek / Pulev (one of whom will be a mandatory to Wladimir soon anyway and, say what you like about Wlad, he does take on his mandatories) will be derided, rightly or wrongly, by most on here.

Of the opponents who are actually viable, available and willing for an April date, then yes, guys such as Helenius and Solis would be better than Oquendo, but the point is that even if Wladimir had secured a fight with them, it'd still be getting similar criticism.

Pulev and Adamek are set to fight to become Wladimir's mandatory, so that has to sort itself out for now. If some of Wladimir's critics, for some bizarre reason, insist on throwing the names of his own trainer Banks and Seth Mitchell around, then I'd point out that the pair of them have signed for a rematch, so they're out of commission. Boytsov has a fight lined up right now as well, I believe. Wilder's opposition right now, for a touted prospect who has had almost thirty bouts, is disgraceful and he and his team clearly would prefer to play the waiting game and make an assault on the titles once the boys from Ukraine are out of the way.

As for Povetkin? Well we can't be sure about why his proposed fight with Wladimir for later this month / March didn't come off, but he has been in line to fight Wladimir since July 2011 and it's only recently that he's even started hinting that he wants the fight.

This proposed fight is a poor one, but my point is that any Wladimir fight would be poor if he insists on taking a Spring fight. Had he simply waited until the Summer, chances are that a couple of those names above would have been available and he'd be getting less of a kicking. But if he wants to keep busy, then so be it.

Alexander was lined up to fight Brook. Mayweather calls and suddenly the plans are dropped.

Is Wlad making the same calls?

The Solis fight against Vitali was a bit of a non event to be fair.

When you have a champion around as long as Wlad who is better than the challengers by a distance and fights regularly the there will be innevetable periods where options are thin. And its fair to say there isnt a huge rush of opponents begging to get into the ring with him or available at present.

I think his track record for taking on the better names in his division when available pretty much speaks for itself with the obvious exception of Vitali. There is a lack of options which is why Oquendo, Holyfield, Jennings etc are all pitching their names forward.

According to BBC Sportsday:

"BOXING
Ukraine's Wladimir Klitschko will defend his four world heavyweight title belts against former sparring partner German-Italian challenger Francesco Pianeta in Mannheim on 4 May."


I dont know anything about this guy. Do any of you?

Not sure he is ranked top 10 for any organisation.

Is it short notice? A tune up?

Worse than Fres.

Cant imagine it being a short notice fight as it is 2 months till 4th May.

Tune up maybe

This guy has had more tune ups than an orchestra.

Never heard of him unless he's that Italian chef from Saturday Morning Kitchen.

A tall, young and hungry undefeated fighter, one of the best young guns out there. A tough night's work for Wladimir and a real risk.

At least, I'm sure that's how the fight will be sold in any case!

Pretty poor outing for Wladimir, this one. I appreciate that Povetkin and / or his team are evidently taking the Michael and stalling over a possible fight. I also appreciate the old adage that you can't knock an unbeaten fighter. However, you can knock them as a choice of opponent for a Heavyweight title fight when that unbeaten record has accounted for absolutely nobody of the ranked class and has actually regressed from fighting twelve-rounders a few years back to feasting off the eight round circuit in more recent times.

Oqeundo had at least been in with some ranked and difficult opponents who've operated at a high level.

Just shows the paucity of talent in the division. The guy is as deserving of a shot as anyone, he's undefeated and has legends such as Skelton, Botha and McCall on his record.

I can't criticise Wlad for being far and away better than anything the heavyweight division can throw at him.

I reckon Audley will get a shot next..

Pianeta is a decent heavy. better than Chisora or Charr for my money. hes also pretty popular in Italy. i dont think the Klits have fought an Italian yet, and they are clearly trying to branch out more accross europe if you look at their recent opposition. however its still gonna be a pretty one sided and dull affair. not that the Povetkin fight wouldnt be either

I reckon it's a trick to keep the costs down. Pick a fighter who operates locally and tell him make his own way there

Both fighters are based in Germany (Pianeta having moved there as a young boy) so it will be a domestic rivalry.

There was already a thread on here a few weeks ago talking about who would could face etc.

i refuse to believe this is the best fight available, there really is no excuse for opponents like this. he could only manage a draw against a guy that rogan sent flying out the ring.

eddyfightfan wrote:i refuse to believe this is the best fight available, there really is no excuse for opponents like this. he could only manage a draw against a guy that rogan sent flying out the ring.

Have a look at the thread that was created regarding wlad's next possible opponent.

88Chris05 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:This is a cack fight against a rubbish oppoenent, plane and simple. That said, I think Wlad has taken on just about any and every relevant opponent out there. A victim of his times....

You've put it much more succinctly than I did above, TopHat, but for me that's the whole issue nicely summarised. Virtually any fight Wladimir takes outside of Haye (knows which way the wind blows on that one and, as such, is targeting Vitali), Price / Fury (neither ready and both doing all they can to distance themselves from the fight in any case) or Adamek / Pulev (one of whom will be a mandatory to Wladimir soon anyway and, say what you like about Wlad, he does take on his mandatories) will be derided, rightly or wrongly, by most on here.

Of the opponents who are actually viable, available and willing for an April date, then yes, guys such as Helenius and Solis would be better than Oquendo, but the point is that even if Wladimir had secured a fight with them, it'd still be getting similar criticism.

Pulev and Adamek are set to fight to become Wladimir's mandatory, so that has to sort itself out for now. If some of Wladimir's critics, for some bizarre reason, insist on throwing the names of his own trainer Banks and Seth Mitchell around, then I'd point out that the pair of them have signed for a rematch, so they're out of commission. Boytsov has a fight lined up right now as well, I believe. Wilder's opposition right now, for a touted prospect who has had almost thirty bouts, is disgraceful and he and his team clearly would prefer to play the waiting game and make an assault on the titles once the boys from Ukraine are out of the way.

As for Povetkin? Well we can't be sure about why his proposed fight with Wladimir for later this month / March didn't come off, but he has been in line to fight Wladimir since July 2011 and it's only recently that he's even started hinting that he wants the fight.

This proposed fight is a poor one, but my point is that any Wladimir fight would be poor if he insists on taking a Spring fight. Had he simply waited until the Summer, chances are that a couple of those names above would have been available and he'd be getting less of a kicking. But if he wants to keep busy, then so be it.

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I'm in training to fight him. I hope he doesn't offer me a slave contract though.

azania wrote:I'm in training to fight him. I hope he doesn't offer me a slave contract though.

If he does, Az, I will happily stump up the extra cash for you if it means you and Wladimir actually fighting.

I'll moida da bum!