A short note about Tim Visser

1. Taking a break from boshing out 'Greatest' polls to note briefly that on Saturday, young Timothy McVisser's score against Glasgow meant that he becomes the joint top scorer in Celtic/Magners/Rabo history - matching Tommy Bowe's 48 touchdowns.

2. Worth also pointing out that Tommy has been playing in the league since 2003/4 whereas Tim only joined in 2009/2010.

3. Worth finally also mentioning that Tim is currently the leading scorer in the Robocop with 11 this season (George North is next, with 7). And this playing for an Edinburgh side currently unable to pick their respective arse and elbow out of a police line-up.

Props to the big feller.

Yes that is a great record.

It was a good move for him opting to go to Edinburgh.

So when are Toulon coming in for him then?

It is an absurd record

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:So when are Toulon coming in for him then?

It is an absurd record

Why is it absurd? Is it because he is not playing in England? Yet again I can hear Andrew Mehrtens and can only say that sometimes and with a certain type of small Englander I agree with him completely.

I think it says more about you than me that you can take that comment and see it as pro England jingoism

OK Peter old man, perhaps you could explain why the record is absurd?

jimbopip wrote:

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:So when are Toulon coming in for him then?

It is an absurd record

Why is it absurd? Is it because he is not playing in England? Yet again I can hear Andrew Mehrtens and can only say that sometimes and with a certain type of small Englander I agree with him completely.

jimbopip, perhaps you shouldn't read into comments what you want.

Absurd as in incredible.

Biltong wrote:

jimbopip wrote:

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:So when are Toulon coming in for him then?

It is an absurd record

Why is it absurd? Is it because he is not playing in England? Yet again I can hear Andrew Mehrtens and can only say that sometimes and with a certain type of small Englander I agree with him completely.

jimbopip, perhaps you shouldn't read into comments what you want.

Absurd as in incredible.

This should be put in the colloquial dictionary as an example of 'jumping to conclusions'.

Unbelievable record by Visser. Great finisher.

Incredible achievement - I'm sure he'll go on to be the top try scorer of all time in the league.

makes you wonder how bad Edinburgh would be if it wasnt for visser!

If he could sort out his defensive duties he could be one of the best. However his try scoring record is phenomenal.

Can anyone tell me how many matches he played for those number of tries in the RABO?

And that's playing behind a retreating scrum!

Biltong wrote:Can anyone tell me how many matches he played for those number of tries in the RABO?

65 matches, Biltong. Three and half seasons.

0.74 tries per game.

That's an excellent strike rate mate.

What's bow's ratio? That's pretty impressive!

RDW_Scotland wrote:What's bow's ratio? That's pretty impressive!

I can't find accurate aggregate numbers for Bowe's celtic league outings so if anyone else can help, I'd be grateful.

Although in terms of internationals, I know that Tommy has scored 26 tries in 51 Tests which makes him a genuine one-in-two man. Cue a thousand naysayers saying 'nay' about TV being "unproven at international level".

Bowe has 26 tries in 51 games for Ireland which is pretty damn good too I think

Great minds, Pete...

Bowes senior club ratio is 0.42

Visser has 4 tries in 5 caps.

In pure scoring terms theres surely noone that matches Visser?

Visser is 3 in 5 which is better than one in two!

George Carlin wrote:Great minds, Pete...

RDW_Scotland wrote:Visser is 3 in 5 which is better than one in two!

4 in 5

What about Savea? He is doing pretty well? Jane scores loads too doesn't he?

Cory Jane (40 caps and 16 tries) (26 provincial caps and 14 tries)
Julian Savea (8 caps and 8 tries)

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:What about Savea? He is doing pretty well? Jane scores loads too doesn't he?

Jane 17 in 69 games for Hurricanes = 0.24 and 0.37 at test level , although he was 0.51 for Wellington
Saveas test scroing record is silly ... 1.3 per game (12 in 9) but only 0.36 for Hurricanes and Wellington

Habana (83 caps 47 tries)

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:What about Savea? He is doing pretty well? Jane scores loads too doesn't he?

Jane 17 in 69 games for Hurricanes = 0.24 and 0.37 at test level , although he was 0.51 for Wellington
Saveas test scroing record is silly ... 1.3 per game (12 in 9) but only 0.36 for Hurricanes and Wellington

Yeah thought the All Black website looked wrong

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:Habana (83 caps 47 tries)

The incredible thing about Habana is he scored only 10 tries in 35 tests for Pieter de Villiers, but 37 tries in 47 tests without Pieter de Villiers as coach.

Biltong wrote:

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:Habana (83 caps 47 tries)

The incredible thing about Habana is he scored only 10 tries in 35 tests for Pieter de Villiers, but 37 tries in 47 tests without Pieter de Villiers as coach.

Woah! That says....so much about the Coach. Christ on a bike!
I bet Steyn's kicking percentages looked pretty good though!

Obviously Visser has a long way to go to gain the status of guys like that but if we allow playing for/in Scotland to roughly equate to the same handicap as being coach by P Divvy then his record is even more incredible

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Obviously Visser has a long way to go to gain the status of guys like that but if we allow playing for/in Scotland to roughly equate to the same handicap as being coach by P Divvy then his record is even more incredible

+1

Annoyingly the new Rabo site, doesnt include tries from different clubs on a players profile anymore, so Tommy Bowes page only has his ulster tries, but from what i remember of the all time try scorers page before it stopped working properly, 48 will be about right for him.

Couple of Scottish newspapers reiterated the 48 try figure so that's definitely right for both players. Shame that Tommy's feiced his knee - rather skews the competition somewhat.

Another player rugby can thank that wee club on the borders for...

Sorry couldnt resist...shame he didnt quite make it with us...but sometimes its just a change of scenery that can really bring out that talent..glad to see hes doing that.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Another player rugby can thank that wee club on the borders for...

Sorry couldnt resist...shame he didnt quite make it with us...but sometimes its just a change of scenery that can really bring out that talent..glad to see hes doing that.

Newcastle seem to produce so much talent, its a shame you guys keep losing it. You really need these guys to have a johnny wilkinson like loyalty at least until the club gets back onto its feet and an attractive option for talented players to stay at.

Great scoring record from Visser. Opponents at international level will now have him marked tightly, so he faces another notch up on the learning curve.

GF/Ibd - maybe for another thread, but how many internationals have Newcastle spawned in the last 10-12 years? Leeds too for that matter. I'm guessing a combined team from both ovrr that time span would be pretty tasty.

Hound_of_Harrow wrote:Great scoring record from Visser. Opponents at international level will now have him marked tightly, so he faces another notch up on the learning curve.

GF - maybe for another thread, but how many internationals have Newcastle spawned in the last 10-12 years? Leeds too for that matter. I'm guessing a combined team from both ovrr that time span would be pretty tasty.

And how many of them are local lads?

Most of them I would guess Maes. Either born or schooled locally.

But as I said, perhaps that's for another article.

Hound

It would be interesting to see...ill have a think.

Whilst most come locally...we do attract players from further afield.

Visser was with us from a young age having been spotted in a 7's competition in Holland we were attending i believe.

GF - here's a few names from the Falcons squad from five seasons ago (Wilkinson was injured).

Jon Golding
Dave Wilson
Geoff Parling
Phil Dowson
Lee Dickson
Jamie Noon
Mathew Tait
Ollie Phillips
Tim Visser

I believe they have all been capped.

Just put a thread on mate

IanBru wrote:OK Peter old man, perhaps you could explain why the record is absurd?

I see certain posters have marked me down as being unreliably subjective in response to A Man Called Horse's use of "absurd". However, the equine gentleman has still to answer Ian Bru's question. If he does answer it I will be happy to withdraw my remarks.
So, Seacookie why is the record absurd, and removed?
And a happy new year to one and all

He meant that the record is almost unbelievable because not only are they amazing try scoring rates for ANY player but looking at the team he's in as well and the weather the season is played during and the teams some of those tries are against. Utterly absurd.

You plank.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:So when are Toulon coming in for him then?

It is an absurd record

Yappy, if you look at Seabiscuit's first question it is perfectly reasonable to read it as "Oh yeah, if he's so good then why aren't Toulon signing him?" which then makes the following statement and use of the word "absurd " ambiguous to say the least. I'm not the only poster to ask Seabiscuit to clarify his meaning on this thread so why hasn't he done it?
Finally I didn't spend four years gaining an Honours degree at one of our better universities to be called a plank by someone who doesn't accept or understand that texts can have almost as many meanings as they have readers. My interpretation of Seabiscuit's original posting is as valid as anyone's until he tells us what he meant.
Plank me no planks , boy.
Had to edit spelling....too many nippy sweeties at the bells methinks.

Jimbopip are you now invoking the work of Roland Barthes to cover your back for misunderstanding Peters use of the word 'absurd'?!

Although the intended meaning seems clear to everyone else, I agree that 'absurd' was a poorly chosen word in this instance. Perhaps 'unbelievable', 'incredible' or even the more colloquial use of 'ridiculous' may have been more effective. I would venture that your subsequent contributions to this thread provide a more useful example of where the word 'absurd' could be applied

Jesus a year later and you are still on about this? That is utterly absurd

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Jesus a year later and you are still on about this? That is utterly absurd

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Jesus a year later and you are still on about this? That is utterly absurd

javascript:emoticonp('') You have made an old man smile, p.s. mrs Pip said I had misunderstood and to stop being so pretentious. Habit of a lifetime said I.

Mind you the Man Called Horse still hasn't explained exactly what he meant. Evasiveness like that could easily lead to a career in politics.