Froch-Bute official fight thread

[Sugar Floyd Louis]

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Common sense tells me Bute has got this but I just have a funny feeling it may be Froch's night!!!

[Seanusarrilius]

Ok, I am knackered from adrenalin surges. That was sublime. My fav UK fighter giving it like that in one of the cities I used to frequent. Insane!

So if Clev ever decides to fight someone decent you gonna support him then?

I would. I did when he was a prospect. I like him as a man Steffan. But put his rubbish titel fights up against that or any of Froch's. It's leagues apart isn't it. That's how boxing thrives. A tough tough fight ina great arena (athough only 9k) and an exciting fight, win, lose or draw

[Valero's Conscience]

Absolutely fantastic! Great performance.

The haters will sprout up saying Bute was never great to begin with and so what. Froch simply destroyed an undefeated legit champ whilst being the underdog and doing so in his home city.

I panicked for a split second when Eddie Hearn, the fool entered the ring and thought there was a slim risk of the ref DQ'ing Froch in a shocking attempt to save Bute but luckily it was fine!

Very happy for Froch, Bute will want no part of a rematch so bring on a Kessler rematch in Nottingham!

[BoxingFan88]

I bet they would have disqualified him if it was in Canada....

[KC]

CAREER DEFINING!
That was make or break - he's now fought & beat a reigning SMW champ whereas before he'd beat MWs stepping up to SMW or [as in the case of Pascal] fought for a vacant title.
He should be a big name in Britain, the fact that he isn't is a shame & is purely down to the lack of boxing on terrestrial TV which is a shame.
CARL - YOU THE MAN!

[Knowsit17]

If this does place Froch above Calzaghe then Joe only has his inactivity against top notch fighters to blame. Froch has stuck his neck out and fearlessly confronted the best on offer at any time and despite getting beat a couple of times along the way has set himself up there against the likes of Pascal, Taylor, Abraham and now Bute. As a Welshman and proud supporter of Joe this pains me beyond belief to confess btw.

Or maybe Bute will now go on to be exposed as an overprotected padded cherry-picker who picked the right fights at the right times up until now. In this case he can thank his own collaboration with becoming a cash-cow for his promoters at the consequence of not fully exposing himself to the real names in the division. This result puts a smile on my face for this reason.

[ONETWOFOREVER]

Calzaghe cannot boast the same names on record as Froch but in pure boxing terms I see Calzaghe beating Froch. Too much mobility coupled with the tenacity to go to war with Froch.

[BoxingFan88]

I think Calzaghe still beats Froch one on one, but in terms of competition.... that's a tough one now.

[Seanusarrilius]

[quote="BoxingFan88"]I think Calzaghe still beats Froch one on one, but in terms of competition.... that's a tough one now.[/quote

Calzaghe better talent. Froch, better resume, has to be now.

[Imperial Ghosty]

Froch has fought a better overall standard of opponent but the one difference for me is Kessler, Calzaghe beat him while Froch lost to him and Ward. Calzaghes domination of the 168lb division is the difference although a rematch victory over Kessler could potentially change it all.

[ONETWOFOREVER]

Does anyone think that this Froch would beat Ward in a smaller ring compared to the one they fought in?

Or would it be the same result.

[Super D Boon]

[quote="Seanusarrilius"]

I think Calzaghe still beats Froch one on one, but in terms of competition.... that's a tough one now.[/quote

Calzaghe better talent. Froch, better resume, has to be now.

Froch lost to Kessler. Terrible loss if you want to talk resumes. Even if Froch does him second time, he'll have taken two goes against a shop worn Kessler when Calzaghe beat the prime unbeaten and sharp Kessler on the first go.

Ward also made mincemeat of Froch.

It was always going to be a case that this fight would show us what Bute was made of, whether he was the dazzling p4p star to be or an overprotected hype job. Looks like it was the latter. Froch meanwhile had nothing to prove. Terrible night for Bute if he can't get passed Froch though.

I do think Bute should dust himself down and take a rematch though. The momentum he'll get from fighting in Canada should mean he does better next time around. Depends how beaten up and mentally scarred he is.

I always said Bute was too open......

[ONETWOFOREVER]

This win justifies the super 6 after all. Bute compained about not being involved but he would have been demolished. I see Abraham, Taylor, Kessler, Ward and even Dirrel koing Bute.

[Imperial Ghosty]

I have said from the very start that Bute was undeserving of his rating as the divisions number two, he was as far as i've ever been able to see a very distant 4th behind Ward, Froch and Kessler. Having seen how poor his durability looks i'd be interested to see him in with Abraham, the divisions biggest hitter and a rival to Froch in the chin stakes.

[ONETWOFOREVER]

Bute looked troubled from the start, even before the fight. I can't take anything away from Froch but I can't get too carried away with it either. Bute just looked skinny and weak. He could not take Froch's power. Against Kessler different story.

[Super D Boon]

Onetwo you're probably right. The way Bute folded like that would suggest he would have been annihilated by pretty much all of the S6 fighters. It's not like Froch is a huge puncher. A decent puncher but not a blockbuster puncher.

The one thing that is a mystery is that he beat Johnson better than Froch did. Then again, Bute is friends with Johnson and a regular sparring partner. Could have been that Glen was supposed to lose. I heard that Johnson was paid very nicely for the Bute fight.

[ONETWOFOREVER]

Does anyone think Froch and fisherman mouth will get jiggy tonight.

Froch does have a lot left in the tank. I think had that been Pascal again she would be blowing my phone up for weeks.

[Super D Boon]

Onetwo what are you talking about?

[Seanusarrilius]

[quote="Super D Boon"]

I think Calzaghe still beats Froch one on one, but in terms of competition.... that's a tough one now.[/quote

Calzaghe better talent. Froch, better resume, has to be now.

Froch lost to Kessler. Terrible loss if you want to talk resumes. Even if Froch does him second time, he'll have taken two goes against a shop worn Kessler when Calzaghe beat the prime unbeaten and sharp Kessler on the first go.

Ward also made mincemeat of Froch.

It was always going to be a case that this fight would show us what Bute was made of, whether he was the dazzling p4p star to be or an overprotected hype job. Looks like it was the latter. Froch meanwhile had nothing to prove. Terrible night for Bute if he can't get passed Froch though.

I do think Bute should dust himself down and take a rematch though. The momentum he'll get from fighting in Canada should mean he does better next time around. Depends how beaten up and mentally scarred he is.

I always said Bute was too open......

I do think the Kess loss hurts Carls legacy, not the ward one.

Other than that I think Froch record stands up

Calzaghe has next to no prime names on his record.

I give Calzaghe full credit for Bhop even though it was close and uglyas hell. And a bit for Eubank who was past prime but still a comeptator. Calzaghe also gets props for prime Kessler. But other than that?

Anyway, not doubting Joes talent. He was a better talent than Froch.

But this is Froch night and what a night it was!

[Knowsit17]

Maybe fighting outside his hometown comfort zone had this effect on him. Having said that Froch was fighting within his own zone.

But again Froch has travelled to win and defend titles before. Wasn't that the first time Bute has ever defended outside Canada/Romania?

[ONETWOFOREVER]

Yeah I alluded to the fact that Bute beat Johnson clearly while Froch laboured to a win against Johnson. The real question for me is where does Bute go from here?

He has been EXPOSED badly and now people will be looking at his chin.

2 options for me

1) Get a new world class trainer like Khan did or...

2) Go for broke and rematch Froch but he has to win and win good.

Other then that where else can he go?

[Super D Boon]

[quote="Seanusarrilius"]

I think Calzaghe still beats Froch one on one, but in terms of competition.... that's a tough one now.[/quote

Calzaghe better talent. Froch, better resume, has to be now.

Froch lost to Kessler. Terrible loss if you want to talk resumes. Even if Froch does him second time, he'll have taken two goes against a shop worn Kessler when Calzaghe beat the prime unbeaten and sharp Kessler on the first go.

Ward also made mincemeat of Froch.

It was always going to be a case that this fight would show us what Bute was made of, whether he was the dazzling p4p star to be or an overprotected hype job. Looks like it was the latter. Froch meanwhile had nothing to prove. Terrible night for Bute if he can't get passed Froch though.

I do think Bute should dust himself down and take a rematch though. The momentum he'll get from fighting in Canada should mean he does better next time around. Depends how beaten up and mentally scarred he is.

I always said Bute was too open......

I do think the Kess loss hurts Carls legacy, not the ward one.

Other than that I think Froch record stands up

Calzaghe has next to no prime names on his record.

I give Calzaghe full credit for Bhop even though it was close and uglyas hell. And a bit for Eubank who was past prime but still a comeptator. Calzaghe also gets props for prime Kessler. But other than that?

Anyway, not doubting Joes talent. He was a better talent than Froch.

But this is Froch night and what a night it was!

Ha ha everytime Froch wins it's a Froch legacy v Calzaghe legacy debate. Even if Froch avenges Kessler, he still doesn't do it for me given that Kessler won his fight with Froch by sheer willpower more than anything and all the sharpness of his jab and right cross had gone. Even in a spectacular win against Green, Kessler looked vulnerable and got hurt early on. However, should Froch do as he intends and that is avenge Kessler then avenge Ward also then I'll give it to you that Froch has the better legacy no argument.

[Seanusarrilius]

[quote="Super D Boon"]

I think Calzaghe still beats Froch one on one, but in terms of competition.... that's a tough one now.[/quote

Calzaghe better talent. Froch, better resume, has to be now.

Froch lost to Kessler. Terrible loss if you want to talk resumes. Even if Froch does him second time, he'll have taken two goes against a shop worn Kessler when Calzaghe beat the prime unbeaten and sharp Kessler on the first go.

Ward also made mincemeat of Froch.

It was always going to be a case that this fight would show us what Bute was made of, whether he was the dazzling p4p star to be or an overprotected hype job. Looks like it was the latter. Froch meanwhile had nothing to prove. Terrible night for Bute if he can't get passed Froch though.

I do think Bute should dust himself down and take a rematch though. The momentum he'll get from fighting in Canada should mean he does better next time around. Depends how beaten up and mentally scarred he is.

I always said Bute was too open......

I do think the Kess loss hurts Carls legacy, not the ward one.

Other than that I think Froch record stands up

Calzaghe has next to no prime names on his record.

I give Calzaghe full credit for Bhop even though it was close and uglyas hell. And a bit for Eubank who was past prime but still a comeptator. Calzaghe also gets props for prime Kessler. But other than that?

Anyway, not doubting Joes talent. He was a better talent than Froch.

But this is Froch night and what a night it was!

Ha ha everytime Froch wins it's a Froch legacy v Calzaghe legacy debate. Even if Froch avenges Kessler, he still doesn't do it for me given that Kessler won his fight with Froch by sheer willpower more than anything and all the sharpness of his jab and right cross had gone. Even in a spectacular win against Green, Kessler looked vulnerable and got hurt early on. However, should Froch do as he intends and that is avenge Kessler then avenge Ward also then I'll give it to you that Froch has the better legacy no argument.

Ah who cares. Froch is building his own legacy, as did Calzaghe.

[Imperial Ghosty]

Froch would never beat Ward, mixed feelings now i've calmed, think it's clear that he'll end up getting very little credit for the victory such was the ease with which he won, were it closer then all this talk of Bute being exposed wouldn't be happening. As for Frochs power, it is in my opinion very under rated, those he has hit cleanly aren't exactly known for going over and the others aren't exactly known for being hit cleanly.

Between them Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham, Bute, Johnson, Kessler and Ward had a grand total of 2 stoppage losses between with something silly like 2 knockdowns between them also. Johnson was stopped on his feet against Hopkins while Taylor was admittedly taken out by Pavlik, so in short the men his faced have no reputation for being stopped.

[88Chris05]

Not been in long, and couldn't be happier.

Delighted for Carl, and so, so happy that I was wrong. With the exception of Ward, anyone at 168 lb who wants a bout with Froch is going to have to come to Nottingham, and I for one can't wait - the atmosphere tonight was superb.

And of course, the performance. I've never seen Froch start as quickly as that. We've almost come to expect Froch losing the majority of the early rounds. I gave Bute a share of the fourth but nothing else, which was perhaps being kind to him. He could do nothing to contain Froch.

Seeing your hometown fighter ripping away a title from an unbeaten (and heavily backed) fighter like that - it just doesn't get any better.

I'd also like to applaud Bute's fans (and again, there were more in attendance than I expected). Some good banter back and forth, and very respectful and fulsome in their applause for the winner afterwards. No trouble in the crowd for once - and I had a great, up-close view of the great Sugar Ray for the most part!

All in all, without doubt the best night I've ever had as a boxing fan, given how closely I've followed and supported Carl's career since it began. Still haven't quite returned from the ceiling! Only hope you fellas enjoyed it as much as I did.

[azania]

Hats off to Carl. Glad he proved me wrong in such an emphatic manner.

[Duty281]

Brilliant performance by the Cobra! Absolutely destroyed Bute who was a heavy favourite going into the fight which has increased my already high respect for the man. He might wanna try and have a second crack at Ward now, why not?

[azania]

I'd keep him well away from Ward. Ward's in a different league from Carl. What's there for Ward to prove anyway? He schooled Carl first time out.

I see Groves and Degale fights now. Carl would easily handle Groves and beat DeGale in a closer fight.

But Ward? Not a chance.

Kessler would be a good fight. But for crissakes Froch, take an easy money defense. All others are doing it.

[EdWoodjr]

Few saw that coming and Carl has earned every penny from the fat payday he's sure to earn from the rematch.

[azania]

Loads of class from Bute's people. No excuses. No complaints and wonderful praise for Carl. A credit to boxing.

[azania]

Can't see a reason for fighting Abraham again. Srieglitz is another issue. A fight Carl should win.

[Mr Bounce]

Blimey! I actually feel vindicated for one of my predictions! Be interesting to see how many I get right or thereabouts in the next 2 years...

https://www.606v2.com/t29115p50-froch-v-bute-early-thoughts

[J.Benson II]

This is was Froch's Calzaghe-Lacy moment.
Upsetting the odds by destroying a highly rated, unbeaten champion.
A move up to LHW and a rematch with Kessler in Nottingham would be good.

As for Bute, he should go back to fighting pasties in Montreal. Obviously he can't deal with anyone who punches back.

[Guest]

Got indigestion eating humble pie. Well done Carl.

[Steffan]

As for Bute, he should go back to fighting pasties in Montreal. Obviously he can't deal with anyone who punches back

Calm down. Bute is still a good fighter. His chin is clearly not that good though. But 'pasties' is harsh

[azania]

Can't see a reason for fighting Abraham again. Srieglitz is another issue. A fight Carl should win.

someone was mentioning an easy fight for Carl. This would be easy and he gets another belt.

I don't see what the value of another belt seeing as Ward is the real Champ. He should chase the big money fights. If that's steiglitz then go for that.

[Josiah Maiestas]

WHERE ARE YOU STEFFAN

Said id leave mate. Dont rub it in

Yet you were waiting happy to rub in should Froch have been on the receiving end!!

Out you go sonny

[Imperial Ghosty]

The money I imagine Az is going to be Kessler and the 175lb boys, doesn't seem to be Frochs style to go for the easy option, I genuinely can't think of anyone he should have fought and hasn't.

[alanqlm]

Bit childish, Steffan already admitted he was wrong and gave Carl great credit for a great win. More than can be said for most when they are proved wrong.

We all have our favourites and those we don't particularly like, I say fair play to ya Steffan for having the humility to come straight on and give Carl credit. I say stay

[Rodney]

Tremendous by Froch, extremely proud of him, he was fantastic.

I picked Bute by UD, so that in itself meant a victory for Froch, it looked a mismatch from 1st to last bell.

Nearly jumped through the screen when the skin crawling Eddie Hearn jumped into the ring, why did he do that ? Yes as a promoter he was chuffed, but let the man enjoy his victory with his team. Another fella who likes the sound of his own voice too much.

Well done Carl. Kessler rematch at City Ground would be fantastic

Cheers

Rodders

[Steffan]

Bit childish, Steffan already admitted he was wrong and gave Carl great credit for a great win. More than can be said for most when they are proved wrong.

We all have our favourites and those we don't particularly like, I say fair play to ya Steffan for having the humility to come straight on and give Carl credit. I say stay

Cheers mate. I aint going nowhere although I should not post stuff saying im leaving after having an all dayer on the

Iv dealt with bigger clowns than Josiah Maiestas in my time so all is good

[All Time Great]

Pascal W by close UD
Taylor W by LKO
Dirrell W by SD
Kessler L by close UD
Abraham W by wide UD
Johnson W by (wide) MD
Ward L by wide UD
Bute W by EKO

That's just one hell of a CV. That's 8 tough fights in a row, there is not many if any fighter in today's ranks who could match that.

You can question mark the decision vs. Dirrell but likewise the Kessler fight was also reasonably close and in Denmark. However, the mannor of defeat to Andre Ward tells me that Froch is short of the heralded top 5 P4P status. If he was to avenge that defeat he could go on to be Britain's best boxer of all time.

[azania]

The money I imagine Az is going to be Kessler and the 175lb boys, doesn't seem to be Frochs style to go for the easy option, I genuinely can't think of anyone he should have fought and hasn't.

As I said on another thread, I dont think he has the frame for a LHW and still be as strong as he needs to be. The money is with Groves/Degale. Should be an easy night's work for him.

[Steffan]

I would love a Kessler rematch. My favourite SMW v my least favourite SMW

Come on the Danish Viking

[J.Benson II]

As for Bute, he should go back to fighting pasties in Montreal. Obviously he can't deal with anyone who punches back

Calm down. Bute is still a good fighter. His chin is clearly not that good though. But 'pasties' is harsh

I know its harsh but I feel a bit let down by Bute. I actually rated him quite highly before this fight and was one of the few that defended him against his critics. However, after yesterday's performance it's obvious that his critics were 100% right. The guy was just a protected paper champ who isn't in the same league as the likes of Froch, Kessler and Ward.
He just looked so fragile and lightweight. Everytime Froch applied pressure, Bute turned to jelly. It was like watching a grown man beating up a teenager.

[Steffan]

I know its harsh but I feel a bit let down by Bute

Bute has ruined my weekend so I know the feeling

[Guest]

very well done to Froch, but a poor showing from Bute.

[azania]

As for Bute, he should go back to fighting pasties in Montreal. Obviously he can't deal with anyone who punches back

Calm down. Bute is still a good fighter. His chin is clearly not that good though. But 'pasties' is harsh

I know its harsh but I feel a bit let down by Bute. I actually rated him quite highly before this fight and was one of the few that defended him against his critics. However, after yesterday's performance it's obvious that his critics were 100% right. The guy was just a protected paper champ who isn't in the same league as the likes of Froch, Kessler and Ward.
He just looked so fragile and lightweight. Everytime Froch applied pressure, Bute turned to jelly. It was like watching a grown man beating up a teenager.

Yep. I agree. I defended him against the crowd. But that's taking the benefit of the doubt away from Froch. He was allowed to perform as best he could because Carl was damn good on the night. Not a protected paper champ, but a good fighter who got beat by a better fighter.

Froch is also a paper champ btw. But a fine fighter.

[Imperial Ghosty]

I find it difficult to call Froch a paper champion when he consistently takes on the very best, Ward is without doubt the main man but Froch is a very deserving and willing champion. A paper champion wouldn't seek out rematches against the two men who beat him.

[Steffan]

A paper champion wouldn't seek out rematches against the two men who beat him.

Im all for Froch v Kessler in England. Bring it on. Might even go to that one infact

[azania]

I find it difficult to call Froch a paper champion when he consistently takes on the very best, Ward is without doubt the main man but Froch is a very deserving and willing champion. A paper champion wouldn't seek out rematches against the two men who beat him.

Ward is the World Champion. The rest are belt-holders. Ergo paper champion. No disrespect to Carl, but it is what it is.

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