India vs West Indies, First Test Debate

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The first of 3 test between India and the West Indies is beginning tomorrow, in Delhi.
For India, its the opportunity to recover from the humiliation of the disaster of the England tour, and get all their malfunctioning parts back to order. It also is an opportunity to introduce new players to test cricket. R Ashwin is surely set to debut in this format, and one of Umesh Yadav and Varun Aaron also should make his debut.
The number 6 position should see a close contest between Yuvraj Singh, Virat Kohli and Ajinkya Rahane. As of now, Yuvraj seems to be the favorit.
The West Indies should try to put up a good fight. In the series back home, they were able to do just that, and their pace bowling unit led by Fidel Edwards and Ravi Rampaul, with able support from young Devendra Bishoo asked stern questions of the Indian batting lineup. India is playing a stronger lineup though, with Sehwag, Gambhir, and Tendulkar back in there. But among the 3, only Gautam Gambhir has got any serious match practice underhis belt, and the WI bowlers should maintain pressure on the batting right away.
The key question for the WI is whether they'll play Rampaul or young Roach, as the balance of the side, and presence of Daren Sammy in the lineup as one of the 4 bowlers do not allow pleying them both.
Its winter time in Delhi, and therefore some late starts and early finish can be expected. Overnight dew should offer some early life in the pitch as well.
Hopes there will be some quality cricket.

wow wrote:This cannot be right, I think wiki has got it wrong because as per wiki Ojha has played 45 list A matches and taken 174 wickets so it is impossible for Ojha to take 192 wickets for 44 list a matches.

use cricinfo's statsguru engine....and data base.

It is always uptodate....and gives you a lot of slicing/ dicing/ filtering options

Pragyan Ojha says playing county cricket helped him a lot. Zaheer Khan, on every given opportunity says this. But the BCCI do not quite get it all the time.
Quality county time should help players like Sreesanth, Irfan, Rahane and other upcoming youngsters.
But I remember the BCCI not letting Piyush Chawla play for one of the counties, this season or the last one?

msp83 wrote:Pragyan Ojha says playing county cricket helped him a lot. Zaheer Khan, on every given opportunity says this. But the BCCI do not quite get it all the time.
Quality county time should help players like Sreesanth, Irfan, Rahane and other upcoming youngsters.
But I remember the BCCI not letting Piyush Chawla play for one of the counties, this season or the last one?

Playing county helps everyone.
we saw Piyush chawla coming back very successfull as an alrounderat the county level and got immediately picked in the Indian team on the strength of his county performances a few seasons back.

BCCI stops players from playing for county only when it conflicts with their own schedule....whihc is so busy that there is little time to play a full county season.

Ojha took 24 wickets at an average of 12.95 for Surrey in the County Championship in England over the summer

what I don't undertsand is how he took so many wkts at such a low average when our first choice spinners were struggling big time on those pitches/

was Ojha playing in some kind of second division?

anu_d wrote:

Ojha took 24 wickets at an average of 12.95 for Surrey in the County Championship in England over the summer

what I don't undertsand is how he took so many wkts at such a low average when our first choice spinners were struggling big time on those pitches/

was Ojha playing in some kind of second division?

yes actually, Surrey were in the second division (they've been promoted now). Also, Ohja would have played his games at the Oval which traditionally helps spinners.

Surrey were in Div 2 of the county championship. They got promotion to Div 1 substantially as a result of Ojha's bowling contribution when he was signed up for the last few matches of the season. He made a dramatic difference to Surrey's spin attack. (Some might say that's not difficult ) There isn't an enormous gap in standards between Div 1 & Div 2 (except usually for one or two stragglers in Div 2). I'm not surprised he's doing well in the test match.

When Chawla was stopped, he was not even in the Indian team.

The BCCI should at least ensure a basic minimum standard and quality in its prime domestic 4 day championship. Look at the first round of Ranji results, I am totaly appalled.
Team wins toss, bats for 2 days, declare at 10000-2. the other side replys with 11000-3. horrible. Want any more reasons as to why do we produce such feeble bowlers??? If the BCCI has any intention to sustain India' decent standards, it should take immediate action against all the associations that prepared such pathetic, horrible roads of such cricket pitches. Playing on such track, one should be a lunatic to seriously take up bowling.

Very decent performance and return for Pragyan Ojha. As the Corporal says, he finished the last English county season in tremendous form for Surrey.

The Dodger's cumulative figures from his four CC matches were:
150.4 - 52 - 311 - 24.

Certainly a lot better than most of his countrymen managed here

I think he deserves this further opportunity and, again like the Corporal, am not surprised he's started well.

256/5, decent enough from the Windies. If Chanders can hang around and the tail wags then 400, maybe 450 is possible. Go on Windies!

msp83 wrote:When Chawla was stopped, he was not even in the Indian team.

The BCCI should at least ensure a basic minimum standard and quality in its prime domestic 4 day championship. Look at the first round of Ranji results, I am totaly appalled.
Team wins toss, bats for 2 days, declare at 10000-2. the other side replys with 11000-3. horrible. Want any more reasons as to why do we produce such feeble bowlers??? If the BCCI has any intention to sustain India' decent standards, it should take immediate action against all the associations that prepared such pathetic, horrible roads of such cricket pitches. Playing on such track, one should be a lunatic to seriously take up bowling.

I hope that BCCI read this. A very vaild point.

wow wrote:

msp83 wrote:When Chawla was stopped, he was not even in the Indian team.

The BCCI should at least ensure a basic minimum standard and quality in its prime domestic 4 day championship. Look at the first round of Ranji results, I am totaly appalled.
Team wins toss, bats for 2 days, declare at 10000-2. the other side replys with 11000-3. horrible. Want any more reasons as to why do we produce such feeble bowlers??? If the BCCI has any intention to sustain India' decent standards, it should take immediate action against all the associations that prepared such pathetic, horrible roads of such cricket pitches. Playing on such track, one should be a lunatic to seriously take up bowling.

I hope that BCCI read this. A very vaild point.

India Domestic

Bengal 560/6d v Gujarat 495
Match drawn

Haryana 293 & 318/8 v Delhi 352
Match drawn

Maharashtra 443 & 91 v Goa 405 & 18/1
Match drawn

Hyderabad 416 & 113/2 v Jharkhand 280
Match drawn

Assam 297/4d v J + K 232/3
Match drawn

Saurashtra 545 v Orissa 494/7
Match drawn

Punjab 350 & 280/7 v U. Pradesh 596/5d
Match drawn

Mumbai 483 & 20/0 v Railways 256 & 244 (f/o)
Mumbai won by 10 wickets

Karnataka 623/6d v Rajasthan 255 & 317/7 (f/o)
Match drawn

Andhra 219 & 307/9d v Services 95 & 229/2
Match drawn

Baroda 38/0 v Tamil Nadu
Match drawn

H. Pradesh 531 v Tripura 304 & 212 (f/o)
H. Pradesh won by an innings and 15 runs

Vidarbha 557/7d & 3/0 v Kerala 431
Match drawn

Those are the results from the 1st round.

A fine morning session for India.They bowled the West Indies out for 304, and yes, they got Chanderpaul as well.
Pragyan Ojha, continuing his fine work of the first day, added 3 more wickets and finished with 6 wickets. Ravichandran Ashwin got 3 wickets in his debut innings, and the other wicket, the biggest of all, went to Ishant Sharma.
Both Sehwag and Gambhir then took their chances, and hurdled along to 39-none. They both have had their share of luck, with Gambhir find the edge at least 3 times without anything getting cot. Sehwag was comprehensively bowled by Edwards, of a no ball, in the last over of the session.
Looking forward to another fine session of attritional cricket.

Seems like there is a contest going on out there not between India and West Indies, but between Sehwag and Gambhir, aas to who would play more shots.
The West Indies aren't helping themselves, through poor fielding and poor bowling.
May be its time for Bishoo. Sehwag things spinners are born so that he can smash them around. That has in fact led to his downfall many times.

Oh, West Indies have their luck changing!. Gambhir runout in the most horific way, Sehwag drilled one back so hard down the ground, Sammy got his fingers brushing the ball, before it smasshed into the stumps. Gambhir went for 41.
Meanwhile, Sehwag has got to his 50. The wall has joined him.

Rahul Dravid has come in, and some typical test cricket returns. West Indies bowling the first maiden of the India innings, in the 14th over.

This is going to be interesting, Bishoo on for the first time Its Dravid facing now, and he passes it over to Sehwag of the first ball itself.

And Bishoo has done Sehwag in. Stumped down the leg, goes for 55. Sachin Tendulkar comes in. It was here he edged ahead of Sunil Gavaskar in the list of leading hundred scorers in test cricket, scoring his 35th against the Lankans.

msp83 wrote:When Chawla was stopped, he was not even in the Indian team.

The BCCI should at least ensure a basic minimum standard and quality in its prime domestic 4 day championship. Look at the first round of Ranji results, I am totaly appalled.
Team wins toss, bats for 2 days, declare at 10000-2. the other side replys with 11000-3. horrible..

that is not true.
generally there is a bit more for the bowlers on D1 and D2....and it flattens as the game goes into D3 and D4

although it might appear Ind had the upper hand bowling out WI for 300 odd.

but the pitch is getting lower....and becmoing more and more diffcult to play strokes.
and 300 may not be that bad a score.
India needs to dig deep and get 400+...as they havw to bat last.

The problem is Tendulkar, VVSL, Dravid , Yuvraj and Sehwag are coming in with no FC cricket

4 down for 120

150-6 now

India is dying at Delhi.....the score-card is looking like an extension from the Eng tour....and the same man Dravid is standing n.o at one end

Paying the price for not brining in an entire batting line-up with little or no warm-up practise

Dravid, once again will have to try to get India out of a fix 154-7. From 89-0, 7 wickets for just 65 runs. Imploding!!

make that 7 down now, Ashwin gone for a duck in his first test, caught down the leg side, Sammy has three wickets. Indian batsmen guilty of playing too many daft shots.

Well done West Indies

The Windies were described as the lettuce between the hamburger and the relish.
Will the Indian team get to eat any of the burger?

Bizarre that the BCCI thought the like of Sachin could come in to a Test on the back of no preparation. Total and utter stupidity, in fact.

and the unbelievable part is Sammy...taking all those wickets

sammy takes wickets whether he bowls, his test record is very good and to be honest, india have been awful, i would expect this thread to go very quiet

cricketfan90 wrote:sammy takes wickets whether he bowls, his test record is very good and to be honest, india have been awful, i would expect this thread to go very quiet

yeah....sammy is turning out to be another bresnan...like potenta world class bolwing allrounder

and WI on their way to a 3-0 whitewash of india

India are very lucky that Dravid is showing some resistance. Good start for Bishoo, on his first tour of india.

anu_d wrote:

cricketfan90 wrote:sammy takes wickets whether he bowls, his test record is very good and to be honest, india have been awful, i would expect this thread to go very quiet

yeah....sammy is turning out to be another bresnan...like potenta world class bolwing allrounder

and WI on their way to a 3-0 whitewash of india

That is blasphemy

Can India pass 300, for the 1st time in 11 Test innings?

skyeman wrote:Can India pass 300, for the 1st time in 11 Test innings?

Maybe not now 203-8.

Can't imagine, that when Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman have all played together in a Test match, that they have failed to pass 300 for 11 Test innings on the bounce.

Oops, Sehwag missed the first 2 Test's in England, but apart from that, still a poor run.

Dravid gone now, 209-9, good lead probable for Windies now.

Blimey, all out for 209. Crowd looking bemused. A lead of 95, Handy

Powell out for a duck, Windies, 0-1. Good catch by Gambhir. Perfect start from India.

WI need to get at least 250, would be very hard for India to get 340-350 batting last on this deck.

Indian cricket has to dig deep and pull themselvs out of this hole.

Bowl WI out for less than a 100 and chase down 200ish.

If I had money to bet.....i would indeed bet on that italics scenario.

wow wrote:

anu_d wrote:

cricketfan90 wrote:sammy takes wickets whether he bowls, his test record is very good and to be honest, india have been awful, i would expect this thread to go very quiet

yeah....sammy is turning out to be another bresnan...like potenta world class bolwing allrounder

and WI on their way to a 3-0 whitewash of india

That is blasphemy

when indian's are in a mood....they give their wickets away in bucket loads........ like manna dropping from heaven to bowlers with county average of 32/ wkt and about 2.5 wkt per first class game ( read TT bresnan)...and making them look like the part of an all time great attack

16 wickets in a day so far, is this an Indian pitch?.

WI 303, Inida 209, what a great contest this game is turing in to.
Would love to see India beaten in Delhi.

activereactive wrote:WI 303, Inida 209, what a great contest this game is turing in to.
Would love to see India beaten in Delhi.

That would be something Depend's on the fragile WI batting.

activereactive wrote:WI 303, Inida 209, what a great contest this game is turing in to.
Would love to see India beaten in Delhi.

would also love to see that happen....and it's aftermath

darren Sammy will do a victory lap and stake claim for a place for his side.......in the 6 greatest teams in the history

for the sammy led attack as one of the best west Indian attakcs in the history

He did a victory lap when he lost to India the last series 1-0

I want to see WI do well, as they need some winning streak to boost their morale and recover from the poor rating, I am so pleased the way Zimbos are playing.

anu_d wrote:

wow wrote:

anu_d wrote:

cricketfan90 wrote:sammy takes wickets whether he bowls, his test record is very good and to be honest, india have been awful, i would expect this thread to go very quiet

yeah....sammy is turning out to be another bresnan...like potenta world class bolwing allrounder

and WI on their way to a 3-0 whitewash of india

That is blasphemy

when indian's are in a mood....they give their wickets away in bucket loads........ like manna dropping from heaven to bowlers with county average of 32/ wkt and about 2.5 wkt per first class game ( read TT bresnan)...and making them look like the part of an all time great attack

Bresnan's Test record is very good, so no idea what his county average has to do with things.

That's like saying that Ken Barrington was a rubbish batsman because he averaged below 40 in the County Championship, yet his Test average was around 60...

@fist of fury

Bresnan's Test record is very good, so no idea what his county average has to do with things.

==>Correct. You didn't get it.
don't worry...some people will.

That's like saying that Ken Barrington was a rubbish batsman because he averaged below 40 in the County Championship, yet his Test average was around 60....

==>I didn't say the above.

Don't take that air of superiority, you'd be lucky if you were intellectually superior to a fly which has just met a car windscreen on the M5.

You're talking utter guff, as usual.

Fists of Fury wrote:Don't take that air of superiority, you'd be lucky if you were intellectually superior to a fly which has just met a car windscreen on the M5.

You're talking utter guff, as usual.

LOL, i like that one, might use it myself. But probably change M5 to M25

Fists of Fury wrote:Don't take that air of superiority, you'd be lucky if you were intellectually superior to a fly which has just met a car windscreen on the M5.

You're talking utter guff, as usual.

off topic and attempted personal attack.
doesn't do justice coming from an office bearer
end of discussion from my side.

regards

Ha, feel free, providing you quote FoF, 2011 at the end

anu_d wrote:

Fists of Fury wrote:Don't take that air of superiority, you'd be lucky if you were intellectually superior to a fly which has just met a car windscreen on the M5.

You're talking utter guff, as usual.

off topic and attempted personal attack.
doesn't do justice coming from an office bearer
end of discussion from my side.

regards

Thank the lord for that.

!7- 2 , Way too caustious was Braithwaite, game on.