England vs India - third ODI

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So here we go again, England have won the toss and decided to bowl first, Cook feeling it isn't easy to defend a score here at the Oval. England make the one change, with Trott coming back into the side for Samit Patel, while India make two changes: Jadeja in for Tiwary to strengthen their bowling, and R.P. Singh for Vinay Kumar.

England team
AN Cook*, C Kieswetter†, IJL Trott, IR Bell, RS Bopara, BA Stokes, TT Bresnan, GP Swann, SCJ Broad, JM Anderson, JW Dernbach

India team
AM Rahane, PA Patel, R Dravid, V Kohli, SK Raina, MS Dhoni*†, RA Jadeja, R Ashwin, P Kumar, MM Patel, RP Singh

Surprised Aaron still not given a go...

Lost the plot here I'm afraid. Cook will need to get a better grip on these power play situations.
I still expect England to chase successfully but they'll be chasing about 20 runs more than they should.

Credit to India though , both playing well.

Mad for Chelsea wrote:this is quite remarkable, the last three overs have gone for 44, and it's hardly like Jadeja and Ashwin are the two biggest hitters in the world, shocking bowling from England I'm afraid...

i'm shocked. all the good work from anderson thrown awy.

england made to look very very poor.

of course it could the pitch is a peach and india batted like morons and these two part timers have shown up their own top order.

we'll only know once both have batted.

the fans seem certain their team have won though.. they can't stop roaring again. must be the most confident fans in the world.

Liam_Main wrote:At last this game will be competitive.

personally i wish we had concentrated for the whole match.

lets get 2-0 and make it a series we can't lose before giving India chances.

What with Jadeja taking an age between deliveries, Cook taking an age to set his field, and now the bat change, these last few overs have taken forever to bowl....

i'm thinking this pitch is a peach.

if eng start sensibly all the demons have gone and they need to just construct a steady innings. india simply don't have enough to make them need to panic. These lads are simply showing how easy it has got.

England let them get far too many considering where we were.

you know, i don't agree.

they just messed up utterly on a 300 pitch. this is never a 200 but recovered when it got really easy.

i see tms are now going after england as ever.

like many of them were actually any better. plonkers.

India couldn't defend 187 off 23 the other night.

Unless they have developed a "new plan" they'll find it hard to keep England under 4.8 per over or whatever

At least it will be a contest now

looks a run a ball pitch. nobody should be 50 for 5 off it.

Jadeja caught at long on!

They're probably going to get about 20 runs more than we should have let them get to, but IMO it's still about 40 runs short on what looks to me to be a very good pitch to bat on (Kumar will be the only threat I think)

i think now Vaughn was right.. 280 needed if batting first.

we're all getting a little over excited here.

it's a good recover but lets be honest, should have been 240 after 40 not 230 after 50

and a big hit and hope pp, well that's pretty much all India are these days isn't it, sometimes it works often it doesn't.

I know that none of you will agree with me but i think that India are favourits now for this. This will not be easy to chase down.

fair enough Billy.

Eng have no KP and Moggy so you might be right.

They are up against the worlds best team after all.

you think 200 was too much. I think 234 was 40 too few, maybe even 60 with the attack India have (Kumar being it).

Chasing 235 then. About 30 short I reckon.

Although very well played Jadeja, Dhoni and Ashwin

Pitch looks good now tho. Messrs Craig, Belly and Stokes must be looking forward to this. Imo Stokes should come in at 3, let him have a good bat at international level.

Good comeback from Dernbach.

Well done India to get 234 - more than I expected.

Jadeja

Still fancy England to run down fairly comfortably , at least Stokes might get a hit today?

Leave you chaps to it ...

cheers Alfie. Should be a fun chase.

Eng could make a lash of it but might not. We shall see.

I base my assumption that India are favourites now on the fact that they are the best ODI team in the world and know how to win these types of matches.
I honestly believe that anything above 200 would be tricky for England.

Of course i am probably wrong but i just have this feeling today.

well you're probably right.

I'm just thinking they're missing the attack that made them good in the first place.

A lot depends on Kumar, if he fires Eng could struggle. If it is flat and Eng start smashing even him again?

I would still take England to win it

shame we couldn't polish them for 150 but that's cricket.. those middle overs in and ODI often flatten out like that.

Time will tell trebbs but i do have a feeling that England will struggle

lack of kp and moggy?

indias world class bowlers?

the lively pitch?

conditions?

the loud indian crowd?

just a feeling?

Lol, when you look at it like that trebbs, i feel even less confident

yep, you're right.

eng all out for 12.

Seriously a lot depends on Chef, CK, Trottsky and Bell.

If they can all contribute then you could steadily plod your way there. If they can't then there's pressure on the rest.

The fact that KP and Mogs are missing is a huge blow to England. I think the conditions are there for England to win but i feel they will struggle. Why i dont know, i just do

probably, like me, seen them fail too many times over the years.

it takes time to get used to the idea of them being competitive and then, just as we are, they have a shocker to set us back again.

India's bowling is based on 2 men's output, Praveen Kumar and Ravichandran Ashwin. Munaf Patel is hit or miss, mostly the latter. Although Jadeja's presence does solve the 5th bowler issue to good effect, No idea what RP Singh is there for. even if PK and Ashwin get their act together, and Munaf and Ravi give them good support, by playing RP, India have already negated the presence of the extra bowler in Jadeja.
Anyways it never was a 230 pitch, Had Zaheer been around alongside PK and Ashwin, may be they could have gone in with more confidence, but I don't see them defending this with this bowling attack.
Hope I will be proved wrong at the end of the day. May be RP singh will do it with a 5fer or something.

I will be more than happy to eat my words though

god the comments on TMS.. i can see how stupid my negative posts look when i read that.

people are slamming england as it was them that had lost every game this summer and were desperate for a win having had a terrible run of form.

Been at work, unable to follow the cricket and after hearing that India where 50-5, to my horror I discover they reached 230 odd.

I'm more than annoyed, we go on about wanting to win the 50 over world cup, yet we could finish off a side with 9 players missing???

One of the guys, Jadeja, has just got of the plane and racked up 78? What the hell is going on?

msp83

Is this guy Varan Aaron seriously any good? Or does Dhoni just like him to carry drinks? His stats are pretty impressive.

We Are Number 1!!! wrote:msp83

Is this guy Varan Aaron seriously any good? Or does Dhoni just like him to carry drinks? His stats are pretty impressive.

He does look a promissing player, one for the future. Not the finished product as yet, but has got plenty of pace, something not many bowlers in India have. Even in this stage of development, he should be better than some of the mostly unfit, slow medium trundelres we have.
Hopes he gets a game soon.
One disadvantage with him is that he plays for a 2nd division side in the Ranji trophy, although that side happens to be the Indian captain's Ranji team, Jharkhand

msp83 wrote:

We Are Number 1!!! wrote:msp83

Is this guy Varan Aaron seriously any good? Or does Dhoni just like him to carry drinks? His stats are pretty impressive.

He does look a promissing player, one for the future. Not the finished product as yet, but has got plenty of pace, something not many bowlers in India have. Even in this stage of development, he should be better than some of the mostly unfit, slow medium trundelres we have.
Hopes he gets a game soon.
One disadvantage with him is that he plays for a 2nd division side in the Ranji trophy, although that side happens to be the Indian captain's Ranji team, Jharkhand

I'd be tempted to play anyone with a few ks of pace ahead of RP Singh, he needs to lose some weight!!!

We Are Number 1!!! wrote:

msp83 wrote:

We Are Number 1!!! wrote:msp83

Is this guy Varan Aaron seriously any good? Or does Dhoni just like him to carry drinks? His stats are pretty impressive.

He does look a promissing player, one for the future. Not the finished product as yet, but has got plenty of pace, something not many bowlers in India have. Even in this stage of development, he should be better than some of the mostly unfit, slow medium trundelres we have.
Hopes he gets a game soon.
One disadvantage with him is that he plays for a 2nd division side in the Ranji trophy, although that side happens to be the Indian captain's Ranji team, Jharkhand

I'd be tempted to play anyone with a few ks of pace ahead of RP Singh, he needs to lose some weight!!!

He needs to go back home!!.

Looks like England are well and truely on the way to making me look silly

The English are knocking it off without a bit of fuss.

Seen this on TMS

"I'm glad England are getting some stick on here! They will never be number one until they become ruthless and learn to finish a team off. It seems we like to make a game of it when we have a team by the throat.""


what the hell are eng supposed to do?

they crush a team 4-0 inc an innings wins and they still get this sort of joker piping up with that!!

You can't dominate every time.

Is there a better time for Kevin Pietersen to rest and Eoin Morgan to address his fitness concern than this?
Well done ECB and the selectors!. Some of us reaelly didn't understand KP's resting before the series, but all that is being made clear by the Indian team!.

fight in the crowd now.. we don't need that.

i can see some eng fans getting annoyed at feeling like they are away with the noise and number of indians but that's not needed.

Kieswetter is such a lovely timer of the ball. He is really putting India to the sword.

cook out and this is where it gets worrying for eng.,

maybe Billy is right about not hitting 200 today as we have a long tail.

hope no more fights happen, going to have to bloody separate the fans soon.

Fighting is never good to see is it.

I hope against al hope that i am wrong trebbs.

Cook out now. With Bopara in the side our tail effectively starts at five or six

yeah exactly. Bop is a waste of a place and a worry.

Dhoni should use Ashwin better. He has shown in the past that he can bowl in the powerplays.
Giving him the ball after every RP, Dic and Harry have a go, force him to be defensive to start with, as he would be bowling to set batsmen.

Let Trott play at his normal pace today. No rush needed.

I think that everyone knows my views on Bopara .

It should still be fairly comfortable for England from here. No rush for Trott as long as Kieswetter is playing his shots.

yep, as soon as he is in the side you start to fear england will lose every time Billy.