Roger Mayweather: On the ropes interview

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Firstly, Roger Mayweather is in his most typical of argumentative moods and this segment isn't a great part of the show. Buuuuuuut, one thing i fond very interesting is the rhetoric he uses about Pac Man. Clearly the Mayweather camp are now desperate for this fight and i think its because they know without any doubt that Floyd dusts the version of Pac Man we saw at the weekend. Not saying they didnt think that before, but now they definately want it IMO

Pac Man v Marquez 4 in sprin then (providing pac wins) Floyd Pac in fall.

So rather than being the fault of Pacquiao himself it is actually the fault of the boxing commissions.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:So rather than being the fault of Pacquiao himself it is actually the fault of the boxing commissions.

Nope. By him hiding behind commission rules which many experts have said are inadequate as PEDs are more sophisticated than before, he is giving suspision to those who believe he is juicing. Take the test and be done with it.

both pac and arum milking him for the money same with floyd. drug tests arent the reason for this fight not happening.

both fighters dont make that much more money facing eack other than they would fighting a past it mosley or an ortiz - risk over reward arums clearly a businessman same with floyd - drug tests are a smokescreen.

AlexHuckerby wrote:both pac and arum milking him for the money same with floyd. drug tests arent the reason for this fight not happening.

both fighters dont make that much more money facing eack other than they would fighting a past it mosley or an ortiz - risk over reward arums clearly a businessman same with floyd - drug tests are a smokescreen.

From what I understand, everything was agreed bar the testing. Manny went missing when the issue of testing came up. Could be wrong though. But that is what I have read in a nutshell. Gloves, ring size, purse etc etc etc. No test =- no fight.

azania wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:So rather than being the fault of Pacquiao himself it is actually the fault of the boxing commissions.

Nope. By him hiding behind commission rules which many experts have said are inadequate as PEDs are more sophisticated than before, he is giving suspision to those who believe he is juicing. Take the test and be done with it.

What about every other fighter who doesn't take the tests?

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

azania wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:So rather than being the fault of Pacquiao himself it is actually the fault of the boxing commissions.

Nope. By him hiding behind commission rules which many experts have said are inadequate as PEDs are more sophisticated than before, he is giving suspision to those who believe he is juicing. Take the test and be done with it.

What about every other fighter who doesn't take the tests?

The sport needs more stringent testing. That much is nigh-on indisputable. It's not being done through altruistic reasons, but Mayweather's testing demands ARE what is needed in boxing, albeit on a wider scale.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:

azania wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:So rather than being the fault of Pacquiao himself it is actually the fault of the boxing commissions.

Nope. By him hiding behind commission rules which many experts have said are inadequate as PEDs are more sophisticated than before, he is giving suspision to those who believe he is juicing. Take the test and be done with it.

What about every other fighter who doesn't take the tests?

What about them?

Not disputing that more stringent tests are needed but when 99.9% of fighters follow commission rules why should Pacquiao be treated any differently?

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Not disputing that more stringent tests are needed but when 99.9% of fighters follow commission rules why should Pacquiao be treated any differently?

YOu have to start somewhere. Floyd has stated that anyone who wants to fight him has to take the test. If Manny wants to fight him he has to take the test. If he doesn't want to take the test he is either scared oflosing to Floyd and any future earnings, or juicing. Saying its not in the commission rules is a cop out. Floyd is clear about this. Probably the only thing he is clear about. I hope he doesn't compramise on that.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Not disputing that more stringent tests are needed but when 99.9% of fighters follow commission rules why should Pacquiao be treated any differently?

He shouldn't, but since the seed of doubt has been planted all he can do is prove it wrong and unfounded, and one way he can do this is by taking the test.

Manny is well within his rights not to give in to Mayweathers demands, doesn't mean he has a fear of losing or is juicing (massive bit of slander by the way) but more likely wont let Mayweather dictate to him.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Manny is well within his rights not to give in to Mayweathers demands, doesn't mean he has a fear of losing or is juicing (massive bit of slander by the way) but more likely wont let Mayweather dictate to him.

That's all good and well but as I stated already; as a politician he should be well aware of how powerful suggestion can be. It's not difficult nor is it a huge leap of the imagination to draw from his refusal the conclusion that he has something to hide.

I don't care much for Mayweather but he has as much right to ask for blood testing as Pacquiao has to ask for a certain venue or weight stipulation or penalty for failure to make weight, or...you get my point.

The venue is a tricky one as Mayweather refused to fight where they prohibited Xylocaine, very much 6 of one and half dozen of the other there.

BALTIMORA wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:Manny is well within his rights not to give in to Mayweathers demands, doesn't mean he has a fear of losing or is juicing (massive bit of slander by the way) but more likely wont let Mayweather dictate to him.

That's all good and well but as I stated already; as a politician he should be well aware of how powerful suggestion can be. It's not difficult nor is it a huge leap of the imagination to draw from his refusal the conclusion that he has something to hide.

I don't care much for Mayweather but he has as much right to ask for blood testing as Pacquiao has to ask for a certain venue or weight stipulation or penalty for failure to make weight, or...you get my point.

I doubt it.

azania wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:both pac and arum milking him for the money same with floyd. drug tests arent the reason for this fight not happening.

both fighters dont make that much more money facing eack other than they would fighting a past it mosley or an ortiz - risk over reward arums clearly a businessman same with floyd - drug tests are a smokescreen.

From what I understand, everything was agreed bar the testing. Manny went missing when the issue of testing came up. Could be wrong though. But that is what I have read in a nutshell. Gloves, ring size, purse etc etc etc. No test =- no fight.

depends who you ask clearly crap from both sides - what ive read is that everything was negotiated and floyd walked away saying that he had no interest in boxing anyone and then he had his 16 month lay off.

Imperial Ghosty wrote:The venue is a tricky one as Mayweather refused to fight where they prohibited Xylocaine, very much 6 of one and half dozen of the other there.

The fight will take place in Vegas where all big fights are held.

What if Manny wanted to fight in Texas where they don't allow the use of Xylocaine and Mayweather refused as he did?

Bob Arum is very friendly with that guy who owns the Dallas stadium where the Clottey fight was held...

Imperial Ghosty wrote:What if Manny wanted to fight in Texas where they don't allow the use of Xylocaine and Mayweather refused as he did?

More money in Vegas. The venue is irrelevant also. Xylo is not a PED anyway. Its a pain killer similar to cortisone I believe.

azania wrote:

Imperial Ghosty wrote:What if Manny wanted to fight in Texas where they don't allow the use of Xylocaine and Mayweather refused as he did?

More money in Vegas. The venue is irrelevant also. Xylo is not a PED anyway. Its a pain killer similar to cortisone I believe.

More money for who though, in Vegas? If Arum thinks Texas would make him more money, he'll be pulling strings.

Regarding Xylocaine not being a PED: if it reduces the pain Mayweather feels as a result of punching and subsequently enables him to put more weight behind his punches, it can be considered to be a performance-enhancer.

Think it was Ricky Hatton who brought up Mayweathers apparent use of Xylocaine and said he felt it worrying that USADA protocols didn't test for it, what difference is there if Pacquiao wants to fight in a venue that doesn't allow it's use rather than Mayweather wanting drug testing which commissions don't enforce?

Also Pacquiao didn't do too badly fighting in Dallas either truth be told.

can i ask as to why there is more money in vegas as opposed to dallas? cowboys stadium is over 100,000 seat stadium mgm grand like 20,000 odd or is it something to do with gates?

AlexHuckerby wrote:can i ask as to why there is more money in vegas as opposed to dallas? cowboys stadium is over 100,000 seat stadium mgm grand like 20,000 odd or is it something to do with gates?

Dallas is just a stadium. Vegas is the gambling capital of the world. Think it's summat to do with that.

AlexHuckerby wrote:can i ask as to why there is more money in vegas as opposed to dallas? cowboys stadium is over 100,000 seat stadium mgm grand like 20,000 odd or is it something to do with gates?

Vegas will bring in the high rollers. Casinos would be willing to pay millions to stage the fight and give away ringside tickets to hundreds of known millionairre gamblers knowing they will play on the tables often gambling $5m a night.

If its about numbers, you may as well hold in in Manilla as it would attract well over 100k.

I would love it if they said winner takes all. Would spice it up a bit.

ShahenshahG wrote:I would love it if they said winner takes all. Would spice it up a bit.

I'd imagine a few judges getting assassinated.

azania wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:I would love it if they said winner takes all. Would spice it up a bit.

I'd imagine a few judges getting assassinated.

You get my point

I dont think Mayweather finds it all that easy against Pacquiao. My guess is that Marquez, who is a more natural counter puncher than Mayweather, simply has a great natural style and tactical game for Pacquiaos style. he also had 24 competitve rounds experience against Pacquiao ging into the last fight.

I would back Mayweather to beat Pacquiao but not very easily or by shut out. I can see Pacquiao taking the early rounds with Mayweather taking over in the mid and late rounds to win a decision.

manos de piedra wrote:I dont think Mayweather finds it all that easy against Pacquiao. My guess is that Marquez, who is a more natural counter puncher than Mayweather, simply has a great natural style and tactical game for Pacquiaos style. he also had 24 competitve rounds experience against Pacquiao ging into the last fight.

I would back Mayweather to beat Pacquiao but not very easily or by shut out. I can see Pacquiao taking the early rounds with Mayweather taking over in the mid and late rounds to win a decision.

You put any stock in the idea that Pac has slowed down? Or do you attribute it to the opponents rather defensive stances recently?

ShahenshahG wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:I dont think Mayweather finds it all that easy against Pacquiao. My guess is that Marquez, who is a more natural counter puncher than Mayweather, simply has a great natural style and tactical game for Pacquiaos style. he also had 24 competitve rounds experience against Pacquiao ging into the last fight.

I would back Mayweather to beat Pacquiao but not very easily or by shut out. I can see Pacquiao taking the early rounds with Mayweather taking over in the mid and late rounds to win a decision.

You put any stock in the idea that Pac has slowed down? Or do you attribute it to the opponents rather defensive stances recently?

Hes probably slower than he was when he was below lightweight but I dont think its massively significant. I just think Marquez has a great style, strategy and ability to cause Pacquiao all sorts of problems.

Mayweather has the tools to beat Pacquiao, but I dont think his natral game is as suited as Marquez is, he doesnt have the experience against Pacquiao that Marquez had either and I dont think hes as comfortable as Marquez fighting from the back foot in tight spaces so for those reasons I doubt Pacquiao is an easy night for him and I would envisage a closer fight than most seem to be suggesting now in the aftermath of the Marquez fight.

im not sure pac has slowed. floyd has fantastic advisors and they will get the right gameplan for floyd to see out. can floyd execute? damn right.

manos de piedra wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:I dont think Mayweather finds it all that easy against Pacquiao. My guess is that Marquez, who is a more natural counter puncher than Mayweather, simply has a great natural style and tactical game for Pacquiaos style. he also had 24 competitve rounds experience against Pacquiao ging into the last fight.

I would back Mayweather to beat Pacquiao but not very easily or by shut out. I can see Pacquiao taking the early rounds with Mayweather taking over in the mid and late rounds to win a decision.

You put any stock in the idea that Pac has slowed down? Or do you attribute it to the opponents rather defensive stances recently?

Hes probably slower than he was when he was below lightweight but I dont think its massively significant. I just think Marquez has a great style, strategy and ability to cause Pacquiao all sorts of problems.

Mayweather has the tools to beat Pacquiao, but I dont think his natral game is as suited as Marquez is, he doesnt have the experience against Pacquiao that Marquez had either and I dont think hes as comfortable as Marquez fighting from the back foot in tight spaces so for those reasons I doubt Pacquiao is an easy night for him and I would envisage a closer fight than most seem to be suggesting now in the aftermath of the Marquez fight.

Fair point.

With respect to mayweather - Do you think his gradual shift to the front foot and increased reliance on that overhand right is in preparation For pac so he can spoil - or as a lot of people are hinting on here - age based decline?

In my opinion the problem is that Manny will not be able to control the pace whatsoever and the main problem is he doesn't know how to begin attacks against a defensive fighter.Circle to the left and use the right hand all night is in order and to be honest I don't think Manny ever could or would have beaten Floyd he's just all wrong for him in truth... Even Mosley made him look poor and if he had thrown the right hand with some tenacity he could have actually done something.In my opinion Manny is a bit of a one trick pony... Without a shadow of a doubt he is a great, and there is no one on this earth in between 135 - 154 that can fight Manny at his own fight. However that's not boxing and you will encounter styles that you don't have the skillset to solve. Manny doesn't have the skillset to solve Floyd. You're right that Manny could win if he dictates pace, but it's not going to be possible for him to do unless Floyd fights him mano a mano. Which we know won't happen, I've been pretty vocal that Manny has never and will never stand a chance against Floyd. If he can't get on the outside foot of MArquez then he has no chance on the bigger and better Floyd.The fight is all down to footwork, and Floyd needs to circle to his left which is virtually Manny's kryptonite and he will be open to the right hand and will be made to miss and won't understand how to launch attacks. Floyd wins 9 rounds to 3... Maybe even wider.

what i said on another article

floyd being more aggressive at a weight is nothing new its something he has always done when he begins to feel comfortable at a weight. rewatch all his fights of any meaning in order.

I think Mayweather is probably a more naurally aggressive fighter than hes often portrayed. He became a bit more defensive after coming up to welter and lmw weight to cope against bigger guys but hes still proved he carry the fight forward if neccessary.

I think he tailors his style to his opposition though as hes a very adaptable fighter that can fight well across many styles. If he does ever fight Pacquiao I would think he will have a clear gameplan and strategy in mind. I would have guessed that Marquez has provided a decent blueprint of how to beat Pacquiao and where his weaknesses lie so Mayweather could draw on that but he has surprised us in the past in being able to handle Hatton up front and bully Mosely so you never really know what plan he is going to come out with.

I think his experience with De la Hoya and from watching the Marquez fight will also highlight to him the dangers of adopting an overly defensive strategy and putting too much faith in the judges so I think he will be willing to mix it up with Pacquaio and not rely purely on countering. Having said that, I would expect it take him a few rounds to get to grips with Pacquaio and would anticipate Pacquiao having the better of the opening rounds while Mayweather tries to get the measure of him.

exactly what i think manos. also one thing people arent looking at for some reason is the reach. mayweathers is huge and will utilise it to its full advantage.

I think Mayweather is a more adept counter puncher than Marquez in many ways, his defence is far harder to break, his hand speed is quicker, he's more accurate, punches harder, better on the inside and is much much stronger. They're very different but Mayweather is more than capable or replicating Marquez minus the combinations but when your getting hit less that's less of an issue.

mayweather CAN throw combinations but he chooses not to, if he feels its necessary he will.

Anyone can throw combinations but the fact he chooses not is quite an important point.

threw combos against ortiz

He threw a few but it's not really part of his offensive arsenal.

point is hes very good at it when he decides to throw them.

Which is very very rarely, can't see his combinations coming into play against someone with the handspeed of Pacquiao, he'll look to pick him off with single shots,

agree with that i would expect to see floyd negate manny by tying him up because manny has no inside game of any note and floyd showed against hatton hes pretty damn good on the inside.

Don't think we would see much infighting between the two of them, they both like to get in and out rather than staying in but if it were to happen then Mayweather would utilise his strength and under rated body punching to slow Pacquiao down.

Fists of Fury wrote:Can't believe you fools have been swayed by what this blithering imbecile says.

Agreeg he sounds like an uneducated moron, but then without wishing to sound judgemental he probably is.

Boxing sounds like all he has known, and for all his delivery may be a little classless, I think he is no mug when it comes to the sweet science, and usually calls it pretty bang on.