"World Rankings calculated in a gypsy caravan park in Ireland”

by Chunky Norwich Sat 03 Oct 2015, 2:31 pm

Says Tongan Rugby boss.

The Chairman of the Tongan Rugby Union Epi Taione has blasted the Rugby World Rankings as being “worked out in a gypsy caravan park in Ireland somewhere” as part of a broadside against World Rugby.

The former international criticised World Rugby, which has its headquarters in Dublin, for mismanaging the World Cup, claiming they unfairly treat the emerging nations in the organisation of the World Cup and distribution of finances.

It’s a part of what Taione, a veteran of the 1999 and 2007 Rugby World Cups, sees as the game’s continued “colonialist cowpat”.

Tonga got their first Rugby World Cup win against Namibia on Tuesday.
“Rugby is so out of touch. It’s run by colonialists who still think they run the world like it was 100 years ago,” he told the New Zealand Herald.

“They say let's spread the game but it’s complete and utter Poopie.”

A particular bugbear for Taione is the uneven spread of revenue.

“They want us to compete but we get $1.58 million a year while Argentina, New Zealand and the other SANZAR countries have received $18 million before the tournament.

“The money should be evenly distributed. And we still only get one vote for all of the Pacific Island members - it should be Tonga one vote, Samoa one vote, Fiji one vote. I cannot see how our voice will be heard.

“[$1.58 million] to float a union is an insult ... Where is the even playing field? We have no home games to generate revenue and we're lucky to get one tier 1 test.

“Until they're willing to give up power, nothing will change. Until they evenly distribute the resources, they're going nowhere ... Considering the way we're treated, we compete very well."

Taoine's words seem to have had some effect as World Rugby is rumoured to be in the process of granting the Pacific Island nations individual seats on their Council.

As a player Taione legally changed his name to Paddy Power for the duration of the 2007 World Cup, as part of a sponsorship deal with the Irish bookmaker. That five-figure deal helped fund the cash-strapped Tongan’s preparations.

Such financial instabilities have endured and Taione is currently involved in a dispute with former teammate Finau Maka over a sponsorship contract involving the Tongan Rugby Union

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/world-rankings-calculated-in-a-gypsy-caravan-park-in-ireland-says-tonga-chairman-698877.html

by Bathman_in_London Sat 03 Oct 2015, 8:02 pm

I completely agree that having the PI nations share a vote is completely ridiculous, but the turkeys are never going to vote for Christmas.

by Shifty Sat 03 Oct 2015, 8:36 pm

To be fair Tonga is a third world country and $1.58 million is a hell of a lot for a tiny island with a few hundred thousand people, it already has rugby academies and many of their good young players get scolarships in New Zealand. Even if they were given enough to run a professional league who could they play against, their islands are miles away from any major nations.
Really the money generated by the big nations needs to be kept by the big nations and used to develop rugby in larger countries, the IRB (World Rugby) policy is correct.

by whocares Sat 03 Oct 2015, 10:01 pm

By larger "countries" do you include Wales Shifty ? Wink

by TJ Sat 03 Oct 2015, 10:36 pm

Can the4 mo0ds please ban this unpleasant troll? racist as well

by Guest Sat 03 Oct 2015, 10:40 pm

You want the mods to ban Epi Taione?

by Guest Sat 03 Oct 2015, 10:46 pm

Well, at least he's not talking about the Irish, although maybe the Irish could be branded a different kind of colonialist with Irish pubs in just about every country. A more modern, friendly type of colonialist Hug

by Guest Sat 03 Oct 2015, 10:51 pm

TJ wrote:Can the4 mo0ds please ban this unpleasant troll? racist as well

I'm not a fan of some of Chunky's viewpoints, but to call him a racist is beyond harsh. I assume you have proof? And a good lawyer?

by InjuredYetAgain Sat 03 Oct 2015, 11:03 pm

Shifty wrote:To be fair Tonga is a third world country and $1.58 million is a hell of a lot for a tiny island with a few hundred thousand people, it already has rugby academies and many of their good young players get scolarships in New Zealand. Even if they were given enough to run a professional league who could they play against, their islands are miles away from any major nations.
Really the money generated by the big nations needs to be kept by the big nations and used to develop rugby in larger countries, the IRB (World Rugby) policy is correct.

But if they go on scholarships to NZ and are any good, they get hoovered into the NZ set-up so where is the benefit to Tonga in that?

That said, the lack of Tier 1 games isn't solely NZ's fault. The lower end tier 2 countries e.g. Scotland and Italy possibly the Argies, do not want any new kids on the block who could put them even further down the world rankings. Sadly, self-interest conquers all

by TJ Sat 03 Oct 2015, 11:06 pm

Griff wrote:
TJ wrote:Can the4 mo0ds please ban this unpleasant troll? racist as well

I'm not a fan of some of Chunky's viewpoints, but to call him a racist is beyond harsh. I assume you have proof? And a good lawyer?

1) its fair comment given his rantings about the irish and 2) why would I need a lawyer?

Chunkys continual racist rantings disfigure these boards and he should be banned.

by Pot Hale Sun 04 Oct 2015, 12:15 am

I just want to know how this guy found out about the caravan? That was meant to a hush-hush secret that only the O'Gyppos and the McTinkertys knew about. He probably was brought there when he was doing the negotiations for his Paddy Power t-shirt deal.

by SecretFly Sun 04 Oct 2015, 1:54 am

You'd think that a man ostensibly standing up for 'little people' would have been delighted to know that the World Colonialist Rankings were being drawn up in the backyard of a Hiace bedecked caravan park in Ireland.

First thing the Tongan lad needs to do is read his history.

BTW... The revised rankings now rate Tonga as 2, - gift from the Wards of the Westh...and no hard feelings?

by **profitius** Sun 04 Oct 2015, 2:58 am

Griff wrote:
TJ wrote:Can the4 mo0ds please ban this unpleasant troll? racist as well

I'm not a fan of some of Chunky's viewpoints, but to call him a racist is beyond harsh. I assume you have proof? And a good lawyer?

A good lawyer?! laughing

I do have a solution to chunkys problem though. A good old fashioned steel toe capped kick into the bo!!ocks.
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by Guest Sun 04 Oct 2015, 10:02 am

profitius wrote:
Griff wrote:
TJ wrote:Can the4 mo0ds please ban this unpleasant troll? racist as well

I'm not a fan of some of Chunky's viewpoints, but to call him a racist is beyond harsh. I assume you have proof? And a good lawyer?

A good lawyer?!

I do have a solution to chunkys problem though. A good old fashioned steel toe capped kick into the bo!!ocks.

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The reason I say a good lawyer is that many posters on here have warned other posters about slander, libel, etc. when calling people/refs/administrators cheats or 'bought'. In fact I'm pretty sure people have warned Chunky of this very thing. So someone accusing him of the criminal offence of racism surely has to heed that warning too?

by Chunky Norwich Sun 04 Oct 2015, 10:03 am

Griff wrote:
The reason I say a good lawyer is that many posters on here have warned other posters about slander, libel, etc. when calling people/refs/administrators cheats or 'bought'. In fact I'm pretty sure people have warned Chunky of this very thing. So someone accusing him of the criminal offence of racism surely has to heed that warning too?

It only works for the moderators' mates, not against.

by Guest Sun 04 Oct 2015, 10:06 am

TJ wrote:
Griff wrote:
TJ wrote:Can the4 mo0ds please ban this unpleasant troll? racist as well

I'm not a fan of some of Chunky's viewpoints, but to call him a racist is beyond harsh. I assume you have proof? And a good lawyer?
1) its fair comment given his rantings about the irish and 2) why would I need a lawyer?

Chunkys continual racist rantings disfigure these boards and he should be banned.

Oh right, you're referring to his comments about Irish people. How is Ireland or Irish a race? Irish people are many races, as are people from any country. A country cannot be a race. A country is merely a geographical boundary and its people (in this case 'Irish') are those born/living within it.

I still don't agree with many of his comments directed at Irish rugby administrators and players. But it's clearly not racism.

by Sin é Sun 04 Oct 2015, 10:23 am

Griff wrote:
TJ wrote:
Griff wrote:
TJ wrote:Can the4 mo0ds please ban this unpleasant troll? racist as well

I'm not a fan of some of Chunky's viewpoints, but to call him a racist is beyond harsh. I assume you have proof? And a good lawyer?
1) its fair comment given his rantings about the irish and 2) why would I need a lawyer?

Chunkys continual racist rantings disfigure these boards and he should be banned.

Oh right, you're referring to his comments about Irish people. How is Ireland or Irish a race? Irish people are many races, as are people from any country. A country cannot be a race. A country is merely a geographical boundary and its people (in this case 'Irish') are those born/living within it.

I still don't agree with many of his comments directed at Irish rugby administrators and players. But it's clearly not racism.

Race and colonialism

The European concept of "race", along with many of the ideas now associated with the term, arose at the time of the scientific revolution, which introduced and privileged the study of natural kinds, and the age of European imperialism and colonization which established political relations between Europeans and peoples with distinct cultural and political traditions.^[39]^[40] As Europeans encountered people from different parts of the world, they speculated about the physical, social, and cultural differences among various human groups. The rise of theAtlantic slave trade, which gradually displaced an earlier trade in slaves from throughout the world, created a further incentive to categorize human groups in order to justify the subordination of African slaves.^[41] Drawing onClassical sources and upon their own internal interactions — for example, the hostility between the English andIrish powerfully influenced early European thinking about the differences between people^[42] — Europeans began to sort themselves and others into groups based on physical appearance, and to attribute to individuals belonging to these groups behaviors and capacities which were claimed to be deeply ingrained. A set of folk beliefs took hold that linked inherited physical differences between groups to inherited intellectual, behavioral, and moral qualities.^[43]Similar ideas can be found in other cultures,^[44] for example in China, where a concept often translated as "race" was associated with supposed common descent from the Yellow Emperor, and used to stress the unity of ethnic groups in China. Brutal conflicts between ethnic groups have existed throughout history and across the world.

by TJ Sun 04 Oct 2015, 10:26 am

It clearly is racism. Racism as usually defined included nationality.

UN definition
"the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

So can the mods please ban this unpleasant racist

by Guest Sun 04 Oct 2015, 10:31 am

Exactly Sin. Racism is one of the most dispicable and heinous things a person can do or be. It genuinely sickens me. Actual hatred of another human being or group based on skin colour ethnic origin or physical characteristics, etc. It's disgusting. So when Chunky accuses the IRFU, referees, administrators of bias I do not see skin colour hatred or ethnic group hatred. Where is the racism? I see someone disliking an organisation. That is not racism. But thanks for posting that info above as it should help people like TJ massively.

by **RDW** Sun 04 Oct 2015, 10:34 am

I'm going to lock this thread before things turn nasty.

The mods certainly have some discussion to do.

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