PRO12 has new Managing Director and he isn't Irish :D :yahoo:

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Welcome Martin Anayi, you are going to have your hands full.

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ME-109 wrote:

Sin é wrote:

ME-109 wrote:Sooooo the question is whether George Clancy should referee Irish Revenue games? Wouldnt that depend on what section he is in (PAYE versus Income Tax for example).

Bearing in mind his namesake George Clancy, former Major of Limerick was murdered by the Black & Tans, should young George be reffing any England games/team ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Clancy

Well I doubt it was for a refereeing decision...although given the vitriol thrown at refs in An Bhreatain Bheag for decisions you couldnt tell

Just as well I wasn't holding my coffee. Brilliant

Marshes wrote:Jesus I thought this donkey's hind legs were talked off when bandwagonsociety brought up that stats last year that Irish teams have worse results under irish refs. What part of the donkey are ye talking off now?

The @rse?

The Pro12 final will be played in Edinburgh this year, those b@st@rd Irish taking everything for themselves again and so unprofessional announcing it after only one game played in the season

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/34186919

Congrats to Edinburgh and Murrayfield Im sure it'll be a great event and it seems the Pro12 and Ulsters (Glasgow too) gamble last year paid of and everyone wants a piece of the pie now

'Edinburgh saw off bids from the 11 other Pro12 clubs and their regions in order to stage the event.'

marty2086 wrote:

'Edinburgh saw off bids from the 11 other Pro12 clubs and their regions in order to stage the event.'

That is incorrect.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

'Edinburgh saw off bids from the 11 other Pro12 clubs and their regions in order to stage the event.'

That is incorrect.

Damn BBC are in on the conspiracy now too, whatever next?!

marty2086 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

'Edinburgh saw off bids from the 11 other Pro12 clubs and their regions in order to stage the event.'

That is incorrect.

Damn BBC are in on the conspiracy now too, whatever next?!

Unless you really think parma, newport, llanelli, treviso, galway et al really made bids.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

'Edinburgh saw off bids from the 11 other Pro12 clubs and their regions in order to stage the event.'

That is incorrect.

Damn BBC are in on the conspiracy now too, whatever next?!

Unless you really think parma, newport, llanelli, treviso, galway et al really made bids.

So your saying the BBC lied?

marty2086 wrote:
So your saying the BBC lied?

I'm saying the BBC interpreted this:

We invited offers from all 12 clubs & their regions to host the Final.

as this

Edinburgh saw off bids from the 11 other Pro12 clubs

in their usual barely competent manner.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

marty2086 wrote:
So your saying the BBC lied?

I'm saying the BBC interpreted this:

We invited offers from all 12 clubs & their regions to host the Final.

as this

Edinburgh saw off bids from the 11 other Pro12 clubs

in their usual barely competent manner.

Or maybe, just maybe everyone decided to pitch their hat into the ring and see what happened

marty2086 wrote:

Or maybe, just maybe everyone decided to pitch their hat into the ring and see what happened

As I said, I know that to not be the case.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Or maybe, just maybe everyone decided to pitch their hat into the ring and see what happened

As I said, I know that to not be the case.

Yeah you claim to know a lot but that usually seems not to be the case

Cearly more than you, it seems.

Well not all of us have an inside role like yourself to know how the Irish are a bunch of self serving money grabbing Welsh shafting

marty2086 wrote:Well not all of us have an inside role like yourself to know how the Irish are a bunch of self serving money grabbing Welsh shafting

You don't need an inside role to see that.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Well not all of us have an inside role like yourself to know how the Irish are a bunch of self serving money grabbing Welsh shafting

You don't need an inside role to see that.

No just to come off your meds for a while

See how these threads descend quickly into playing the man. It only ever comes from one side of the tracks too.

If you say so, I'd tell you to go back and read some posts from some of your compatriots but they were removed because they were that bad

Though I doubt that'll disturb your 'truth'

Chunky, LD and Phil, broke my laptop this morning!

I know it was them. I have all the evidence. Now it will cost me more to fix the thing than it would be worth. It's a write off!

Heartless sods

No matter. Great excuse to buy a new one. And with BANG & OLUFSEN audio

I'm

Interesting fact I have just discovered. The official in the middle for Cardiff Blues romp of Zebre last weekend was Andy Brace (Ireland), and he is a former employee of Cardiff Blues.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/my-job-in-munster-andy-brace-community-rugby-officer-30760826.html

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Interesting fact I have just discovered.  The official in the middle for Cardiff Blues romp of Zebre last weekend was Andy Brace (Ireland), and he is a former employee of Cardiff Blues.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/my-job-in-munster-andy-brace-community-rugby-officer-30760826.html

You just have to laugh at this league. Credibility crumbling away week by week.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Interesting fact I have just discovered.  The official in the middle for Cardiff Blues romp of Zebre last weekend was Andy Brace (Ireland), and he is a former employee of Cardiff Blues.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/my-job-in-munster-andy-brace-community-rugby-officer-30760826.html

You just have to laugh at this league. Credibility crumbling away week by week.

Without seeing the game I can not say if he was impartial or not, however it does seem pretty wrong being an official in a game involving your current or former employer.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Without seeing the game I can not say if he was impartial or not, however it does seem pretty wrong being an official in a game involving your current or former employer.

Indeed. Why is it that only us Welsh can see this ?

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Interesting fact I have just discovered.  The official in the middle for Cardiff Blues romp of Zebre last weekend was Andy Brace (Ireland), and he is a former employee of Cardiff Blues.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/my-job-in-munster-andy-brace-community-rugby-officer-30760826.html

You just have to laugh at this league. Credibility crumbling away week by week.

Without seeing the game I can not say if he was impartial or not

It doesn't matter

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Interesting fact I have just discovered.  The official in the middle for Cardiff Blues romp of Zebre last weekend was Andy Brace (Ireland), and he is a former employee of Cardiff Blues.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/my-job-in-munster-andy-brace-community-rugby-officer-30760826.html

Obviously a cunning ploy by the IRFU putting him in there to help cover up the big Irish conspiracy

I knew they were clever buggers but this is genius!

Its not like the guy in charge of the referees did the same job at the RFU of which so many on here are complimentary over

marty, instead of being sarcastic, try and focus on why having referees with potential bias is making a mockery of our league.

marty2086 wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Interesting fact I have just discovered.  The official in the middle for Cardiff Blues romp of Zebre last weekend was Andy Brace (Ireland), and he is a former employee of Cardiff Blues.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/my-job-in-munster-andy-brace-community-rugby-officer-30760826.html

Obviously a cunning ploy by the IRFU putting him in there to help cover up the big Irish conspiracy

I knew they were clever buggers but this is genius!

Its not like the guy in charge of the referees did the same job at the RFU of which so many on here are complimentary over

Or maybe it was an attempt to show that there are some other iffy situations in the league, but for the second time today I have made a post that has not accused the Irish of anything (if anything showing that things happen both ways) only to have sarcastic comments made by the Irish community on here

LordDowlais wrote:marty, instead of being sarcastic, try and focus on why having referees with potential bias is making a mockery of our league.

They can't bring themselves to do it.

ScarletSpiderman, it is almost as if, the Irish members on here refuse to point blank accept what is starring them in the face. But instead they would rather tell us that we are all paranoid tin hat wearing idiots.

I can see the problems that you have highlighted, but we are being daft. Irish, Welsh, Scottish or Italian, if the referees are being paid or have been paid by the same organisation they are supposed to be impartial to then there is a conflict of interest and causes claims of potential bias.

So when we do have a dodgy performance from any particular referee these claims start to surface, it only happens in our league, why can this not be seen ?

We need this taken out of our league.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Interesting fact I have just discovered.  The official in the middle for Cardiff Blues romp of Zebre last weekend was Andy Brace (Ireland), and he is a former employee of Cardiff Blues.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/my-job-in-munster-andy-brace-community-rugby-officer-30760826.html

Obviously a cunning ploy by the IRFU putting him in there to help cover up the big Irish conspiracy

I knew they were clever buggers but this is genius!

Its not like the guy in charge of the referees did the same job at the RFU of which so many on here are complimentary over

Or maybe it was an attempt to show that there are some other iffy situations in the league, but for the second time today I have made a post that has not accused the Irish of anything (if anything showing that things happen both ways) only to have sarcastic comments made by the Irish community on here

Scarlet that was not aimed at you

If I remember correctly from when Alain Rolland reffed the Munster Leinster game in the league a few year ago, Munster were given the opportunity to refuse his appointment given he was a former Leinster player and they didn't.

Its not a situation unique to the Pro12 since Rolland, a man born in France to a French father has reffed the French on many occasions. Also has Steve Walsh not reffed the All Blacks?

marty2086 wrote:Also has Steve Walsh not reffed the All Blacks?

Wasn't that because he was transfererd to the ARU from the NZRU?

LordDowlais wrote:ScarletSpiderman, it is almost as if, the Irish members on here refuse to point blank accept what is starring them in the face. But instead they would rather tell us that we are all paranoid tin hat wearing idiots.

No, what I am saying is that some are continually take shots at the Pro12 and ignore similar situations elsewhere.

Earlier this year I remember either you or Chunky saying how much better the refs were in other leagues not long after the Rohan Hoffman debacle in Super Rugby only to be told the Pro12 are still worse

Some will always see the worst in the league because they just plain don't like it

Chunky Norwich wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Also has Steve Walsh not reffed the All Blacks?

Wasn't that because he was transfererd to the ARU from the NZRU?

So your ok with that?

marty2086 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Also has Steve Walsh not reffed the All Blacks?

Wasn't that because he was transfererd to the ARU from the NZRU?

So your ok with that?

No, but that's the reason. Which you omitted in your post. Hence I had to provide the detail you missed.

Just because it happens infrequently elsewhere, doesn't make the fact that the PrO'12 do it on a weekly basis ok.

marty2086 wrote:Some will always see the worst in the league because they just plain don't like it

well, I am one who certainly does like it. I just do not like the fact that we are in a position where our league could be called into disrepute because of potential bias and a conflict of interests with our referees.

I also hate the way the fixtures are organised, and I also do not like the criteria for hosting a Celtic final. Other than that, I think there is potential for our league to be a cracking league.

LordDowlais wrote:marty, instead of being sarcastic, try and focus on why having referees with potential bias is making a mockery of our league.

Cardiff Blues could have fired him for all you know! (he worked for Cardiff Blues in 2007 for 9 months - could have been a College placement actually).

Chunky Norwich wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Also has Steve Walsh not reffed the All Blacks?

Wasn't that because he was transfererd to the ARU from the NZRU?

So your ok with that?

No, but that's the reason. Which you omitted in your post. Hence I had to provide the detail you missed.

Just because it happens infrequently elsewhere, doesn't make the fact that the PrO'12 do it on a weekly basis ok.

I didn't omit it I took it everyone was aware of Steve Walsh history just like I didn't mention hes from New Zealand

Its not infrequent as Walsh regularly reffed the NZ franchises in Super Rugby, JP Doyle (An Irishman in case Im accused of omitting anything) has reffed the Irish provinces in Europe, Joubert does so when SA teams play the Australian and NZ teams but again its unique to the Pro12

LordDowlais wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Some will always see the worst in the league because they just plain don't like it

well, I am one who certainly does like it. I just do not like the fact that we are in a position where our league could be called into disrepute because of potential bias and a conflict of interests with our referees.

I also hate the way the fixtures are organised, and I also do not like the criteria for hosting a Celtic final. Other than that, I think there is potential for our league to be a cracking league.

Dictated by tv companies. The rest of us have to suffer so that the Welsh Regions get their 3m+ when and how the BBC dictate.

edit: I would also imagine it is difficult to get referees to ref games in Wales because the fans give them such a hard time.

LordDowlais wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Some will always see the worst in the league because they just plain don't like it

well, I am one who certainly does like it. I just do not like the fact that we are in a position where our league could be called into disrepute because of potential bias and a conflict of interests with our referees.

I also hate the way the fixtures are organised, and I also do not like the criteria for hosting a Celtic final. Other than that, I think there is potential for our league to be a cracking league.

I am not against the Pro12, and have defended in numerous times in the past too. But I do believe that there are some really big issues that do need sorting out.

With respect to the officials. Why can we not have all four unions provide an even amount of officials, and then sort out the officials into teams involving one from each union. These men can all swap around duties within the team (Ref, Line1, Line2, TMO), to allow people to gain experience in each role etc. Then we would totally do away with the preferential treatment argument, and be able to all agree on poor decisions being down to people just not being up to the job (if there are issues). The reason we don't have this is because the Pro12 is saving money by having 'home' linesmen and TMOs as then there are no hotel/flight costs involved.

If the Pro12 wants to grow then it will have to actually invest money to improve the product it supplies.

Sin é wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

marty2086 wrote:Some will always see the worst in the league because they just plain don't like it

well, I am one who certainly does like it. I just do not like the fact that we are in a position where our league could be called into disrepute because of potential bias and a conflict of interests with our referees.

I also hate the way the fixtures are organised, and I also do not like the criteria for hosting a Celtic final. Other than that, I think there is potential for our league to be a cracking league.

Dictated by tv companies. The rest of us have to suffer so that the Welsh Regions get their 3m+ when and how the BBC dictate.

edit: I would also imagine it is difficult to get referees to ref games in Wales because the fans give them such a hard time.

I guess you didn't hear the treatment of the ref in Glasgow last weekend then?

ScarletSpiderman wrote:If the Pro12 wants to grow then it will have to actually invest money to improve the product it supplies.

Here, Here.

marty2086 wrote:

Its not infrequent as Walsh regularly reffed the NZ franchises in Super Rugby, JP Doyle (An Irishman in case Im accused of omitting anything) has reffed the Irish provinces in Europe, Joubert does so when SA teams play the Australian and NZ teams but again its unique to the Pro12

SANZAR responded after poor performances of officials and dropped anumber of referees from their panel. JP Doyle is not employed by the same people the Irish provinces are.

Why can't you see that, and admit that the PrO'12 situation is not an ideal situation? Delusion or deliberate diversion Marty?

Sin é wrote:

edit: I would also imagine it is difficult to get referees to ref games in Wales because the fans give them such a hard time.

I take it, you missed how the referee was treated in Glasgow's game at the weekend?

The Irish members on here are seeing it as a personal attack on the Irish, but it is not, there is a conflict of interests in our league and it is making a mockery of it.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

If the Pro12 wants to grow then it will have to actually invest money to improve the product it supplies.

The PrO'12 can't grow any further in terms of being a credible competition. It's topped out as it is. So much so that the sponsor money was so low it wasn't even disclosed. It's a lame duck and is getting lamer while the rival leagues get stronger.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
If the Pro12 wants to grow then it will have to actually invest money to improve the product it supplies.

And where is the money to invest to come from?

There is nothing but non-stop bitching about everything they try to do (such as hold the final in a stadium that will generate some financial return from the sales of tickets).

The Welsh bitch if they don't get all the tv money generated in UK etc.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Sin é wrote:

edit: I would also imagine it is difficult to get referees to ref games in Wales because the fans give them such a hard time.

I take it, you missed how the referee was treated in Glasgow's game at the weekend?

What has that got to do with how little respect the Welsh fans have for the referees and it is catching elsewhere.

Sin é wrote:The Welsh bitch if they don't get all the tv money generated in UK etc.

That's another generalising statement, I have never bitched about having all the UK tele money. I have pointed out that we generate the most tele money when I get told that we do not contribute to the league, but that is about it.

Again, why are our Irish members ALWAYS on the defence, you really need to start realising the problems with our league.

Chunky Norwich wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

If the Pro12 wants to grow then it will have to actually invest money to improve the product it supplies.

The PrO'12 can't grow any further in terms of being a credible competition. It's topped out as it is. So much so that the sponsor money was so low it wasn't even disclosed. It's a lame duck and is getting lamer while the rival leagues get stronger.

More Growth hormone and Private South African under-the-counter investment is what we need!

Chunky Norwich wrote:

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

If the Pro12 wants to grow then it will have to actually invest money to improve the product it supplies.

The PrO'12 can't grow any further in terms of being a credible competition. It's topped out as it is. So much so that the sponsor money was so low it wasn't even disclosed. It's a lame duck and is getting lamer while the rival leagues get stronger.

And you still don't get that if you continually talk it down, it going to get even less attractive for sponsors from Wales.

Sin é wrote:

Chunky Norwich wrote:

Sin é wrote:

edit: I would also imagine it is difficult to get referees to ref games in Wales because the fans give them such a hard time.

I take it, you missed how the referee was treated in Glasgow's game at the weekend?

What has that got to do with how little respect the Welsh fans have for the referees and it is catching elsewhere.

It shows your talking your usual b0ll0x.