WBA order GGG to face...

The amazing Aussie that is Jarrod Fletcher.

Well done WBA, another pointless fight that will be over before the sixth.

Who would you like the WBA to order him to face? They could order him to face Martinez or Sturm but it doesn't make them have to fight him.

Fletcher is their top ranked contender, he deserves his chance.

Fletcher was stopped in two rounds by Billy Joe Saunders less than two years ago. There was talk of a fight with Daniel Geale, that fight is better than this one.

Can't see HBO giving that one the green light. He's in negotiations with Geale I believe.

Dirty cherry picking swine..

With Alvarez and Maidana in his last two fights we should all get behind Floyd..

He's a real fighter !!!.

Boxing is such a ridiculous sport in this respect. That someone can be considered too dangerous to even get a chance to prove themselves at the top level is pretty crazy.

This is a pointless fight for GGG, and one that I doubt HBO will allow. I hope that this pushes HBO into using their clout to force a decent match for him. There's not too many top class options though. Geale is the only obvious bet.

If he keeps disposing of fighters in an exciting way.......He'll become an attraction and get the fights...

Top opponents will get well paid for fighting him.........Which is the problem at the moment..

He's not easy to market now..

I know Andy Lee has a fight on the Martinez v Cotto undercard but what happened to the speculated fight he was to have with GGG? Obviously Lee would get splatted but I didn't hear why the fight didn't happen.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:If he keeps disposing of fighters in an exciting way.......He'll become an attraction and get the fights...

Top opponents will get well paid for fighting him.........Which is the problem at the moment..

He's not easy to market now..

GGG made a big splash in the States last year. He was voted fighter of the year by the fans.

Pity no one goes to watch him though.

Golovkins marketability, or lack there of is way overplayed. Hes an exciting fighter with huge potential but so far hasnt been able to get any breakthrough fights. The kind of mismatches hes being forced to take are not going to have people flocking. If Martinez has the balls to face him after Cotto that would be a very big fight. Golovkin is a big name in boxing. Hes just stuck with lackluste opponents because hes being avoided and priced out. Hes the sort of fighter that can dish out fights that take years off a fighter and he is in a division where only one other guy would have a hope of beating him and personally I wouldnt give Martinez a great chance by any stretch.

Ggg's fight with Stevens was the 3rd highest viewed cable tv fight in 2013, behind cotto v Rodriquez, and Chavez jr v Vera. Considering cotto and Chavez are pretty big ppv stars, whom fighting on cable would be a rarity.
His "2 days" documentary against Rosado had the highest ever viewing figures for any "2 days" documentary  to date.

I wouldn't be so sure that ggg is Unmarketable and avoided as people make out. If anything that tag makes him even more marketable.

I'm starting to suspect there might be a case of the Roy jones jrs here, in that hbo are giving him the leeway to look impressive against selected opposition.

He is massively avoided. Even other fighters promoters are basically saying as much. There is only one good fight for him at middleweight. Somebody like Geale is better than nothing but its still a mismatch. Martinez and that about it. I would bet on Martinez avoided it though.

Every fighter, every promoter you ask will tell you he's avoided. It's pretty clear he's avoided.

Why doesnt he just move up to SMW? The middleweights dont want him, but there are lots of fights out there for him just one division up. He seems happy kicking around at MW, beating up bin men and waiting Martinez out.

in his hay day martinez would have boxed rings around ggg. dont get me wrong i think he is decent, and has scary power. but his lack of head movement and inexperience at the the elite level mean to me that even now id put sergio favourite.

im not sure if he really is looking for the big fights, as joey says they could move up anytime for plenty of top calibere fights. but if his power doesnt carry then he is just ordinary. he has made a habit of fighting only forward fighters too.

Who's avoiding him though, Martinez is out for about a year. With knee surgery and is fighting cotto for a close to 10 million purse. Look at Martinez' fights over the last 4 years, Williams x 2, pavlik, barker, Murray, Macklin, junior he's fought everyone available in the division. Taking a cotto fight for huge money isn't a duck.
Junior would have fought ggg, if arum hadn't played silly beggars with him. "You've 18 months on your contract, if you fight ggg, I'll give you the same as the Vera rematch, if you extend you contact so that I own your ass for the next 5 years of your life I'll give you 10 million".

I've no interest in being owned, 18 months into the future is plenty.

So Martinez is tied up with cotto, junior fell through, so who's avoiding him?

Froch and groves?
Ward? Ggg hasn't really made any approach.
Kid chocolate? Frozen out on show time.
Murray? Maybe, he was offer 1/2 mill to fight in Monte Carlo, and turned it down to change promotors, can't fight in the states.
Geale? He seems to want to fight him.
Lee? He also wants to fight him.
Floyd? Canelo at 154? Don't buy it. I'd like to see ggg, drop to 154 and take on Lara? He could have made that fight I'd guess, no interest.

He's not avoided, there isn't much depth at middleweight, and he's only interested in cotto and Martinez as far as I can see. And he can talk all he wants but they are facing each other because it makes sense. Martinez is the man at the weight, cotto brings the most money, and wants to fight the man.

Rigo, is avoided, man at the weight, 2 belts, no one wants to fight him. I don't think the same can be said about ggg.

Ggg talks about wanting to fight the best from 154 to 168, but everyone is running scared. Well the recognised best across that band is ward. Go call him out, he needs a fight, his promotor disputes seem to be sorted. See how you get on with him instead of waiting on Martinez and cotto.

jimdig wrote:Who's avoiding him though, Martinez is out for about a year. With knee surgery and is fighting cotto for a close to 10 million purse. Look at Martinez' fights over the last 4 years, Williams x 2, pavlik, barker, Murray, Macklin, junior he's fought everyone available in the division. Taking a cotto fight for huge money isn't a duck.
Junior would have fought ggg, if arum hadn't played silly beggars with him. "You've 18 months on your contract, if you fight ggg, I'll give you the same as the Vera rematch, if you extend you contact so that I own your ass for the next 5 years of your life I'll give you 10 million".

I've no interest in being owned, 18 months into the future is plenty.

So Martinez is tied up with cotto, junior fell through, so who's avoiding him?

Froch and groves?
Ward? Ggg hasn't really made any approach.
Kid chocolate? Frozen out on show time.
Murray? Maybe, he was offer 1/2 mill to fight in Monte Carlo, and turned it down to change promotors, can't fight in the states.
Geale? He seems to want to fight him.
Lee? He also wants to fight him.
Floyd? Canelo at 154? Don't buy it. I'd like to see ggg, drop to 154 and take on Lara? He could have made that fight I'd guess, no interest.

He's not avoided, there isn't much depth at middleweight, and he's only interested in cotto and Martinez as far as I can see. And he can talk all he wants but they are facing each other because it makes sense. Martinez is the man at the weight, cotto brings the most money, and wants to fight the man.

Rigo, is avoided, man at the weight, 2 belts, no one wants to fight him. I don't think the same can be said about ggg.

Ggg talks about wanting to fight the best from 154 to 168, but everyone is running scared. Well the recognised best across that band is ward. Go call him out, he needs a fight, his promotor disputes seem to be sorted. See how you get on with him instead of waiting on Martinez and cotto.

I agree there's more to it than just a simple case of everybody avoiding Golovkin. Some fighters like Froch aren't interested but there are fights at 168lbs that could be made for good purses. I think GGG has done quite well establishing his name against just below world level fighters. There is a level of care in the way he has been promoted. Seems they are waiting for a jackpot fight.

Same with Rigo.......look at the paltry amount that turned up to his last defence....

GGG's maybe the third highest fight on cable but all the big fighters don't fight on cable....

So it's not really that relevant.........

GGG Vs Stevens was on HBO, Truss.

Why should he move up to super mmiddle though? He's not a big middleweight and has done all he can to earn a shot at the best but been denied. Martinez is ducking him in my opinion. It's motivated by money but it's a duck. Cotto's done nothing to earn his shot other than generate money. Golovkin is the rightful heir.

When Chavez Jr had the belt and Martinez was avoided, it was about legacy, not wealth. Things have changed since then.

Pointless fight if true. His only real threat is motivation.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Why should he move up to super mmiddle though? He's not a big middleweight and has done all he can to earn a shot at the best but been denied. Martinez is ducking him in my opinion. It's motivated by money but it's a duck. Cotto's done nothing to earn his shot other than generate money. Golovkin is the rightful heir.

When Chavez Jr had the belt and Martinez was avoided, it was about legacy, not wealth. Things have changed since then.

Pointless fight if true. His only real threat is motivation.

Apparently he's looking for fights...........If Oscar, Spinks, Duran, Manny, Mayweather, Chavez, Leonard, Hearns can move up .........Then why not this guy...

Apparently GGG-Stevens got 4,000 at the MSG.........It wasn't sold out..

Let's not forget Stevens is a New Yorker.........

Hbo are the biggest decider in purses when it comes to ggg. Ggg is hbo's biggest non ppv star (more viewing interest than ward).

Ggg said he'd fight anyone up to 168. Was in the signing process for Chavez at 168. It's fallen through, why not purse ward. It'd be a great fight with great interest.

I agree that ggg is the heir apparent to Martinez. But chances are Martinez retires after cotto (whom he probably beats one legged). Martinez said he'd need a tune up fight after surgery which he has now forgone.

We really don't know what's left for Martinez. Ggg needs to make his own path, he's 31 and too old to leave all his eggs in that basket.

Golovkin got $400,000 for Stevens........So the purse bids weren't that high....

Rosario in 1987 got $450,000 for defending against Chavez........

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Why should he move up to super mmiddle though? He's not a big middleweight and has done all he can to earn a shot at the best but been denied. Martinez is ducking him in my opinion. It's motivated by money but it's a duck. Cotto's done nothing to earn his shot other than generate money. Golovkin is the rightful heir.

When Chavez Jr had the belt and Martinez was avoided, it was about legacy, not wealth. Things have changed since then.

Pointless fight if true. His only real threat is motivation.

Apparently he's looking for fights...........If Oscar, Spinks, Duran, Manny, Mayweather, Chavez, Leonard, Hearns can move up .........Then why not this guy...

They were allowed the opportunity to do the business in their original weight class, a luxury GGG hasn't been afforded yet in my opinion.

And 350,000 against Macklin, macklin picking up 300,000 + another date on hbo.
I am a bit shocked at that truss. I did think there was more in the pot for a golovkin fight.

He has 4 slots a year with hbo, looks like it'll be another year of more of the same.

I know some posters hark back to the good old days where you stuck at your weight and dominated. That's all well and good, but if there's no competition, you have to chase the dollar. If he was mexican he could fight stiffs for years. He's not, so he needs to make a splash.

I keep hearing he's a small middle... Well he ain't that small. It's fine if he wants to stay at middle, defend against no marks for a few quid. His choice. If he's as good as everyone says, then I'd like to see him in big fights, and martinez aside, they are up a weight. Hey he signed for junior so I'm sure they'll come.

Why would Golovkin want to arse about fighting these mismatches unless he had to? He could be making much better money against the big names. All the excuses are made for his opponents. Murray turned down a career high pay day to sign with some African outfit. But that was just Murray changing trainers. Geale turned the fight down because the date didnt suit him. Chavez turned it down because he didnt want to be "tied down". Martinez wasnt ready after his injury. They dont want to fight him pure and simple. He is struggling to get fights and its not through lack of trying.

I agree with catchweight.

Also: Golovkin is a middleweight (this isn't a case of a young fighter still growing through the divisions) who wants to become champion in his own division.

The names listed above (Leonard, Oscar, Spinks etc.) were all afforded the chance to become champion at their optimum weight limit before they moved on.

Hopefully the championship situation should sort itself out after Martinez deal with Cotto. Aside from Canelo (should he move to 160) a fight with Golovkin would be the biggest left on the table for Sergio.

Well canelo is starting to look like a guy who will fight anyone. Trout and Lara offered nothing but respect from hardcore fans. So maybe he'll...... He's shotime, forget about it.

Canelo is following the Oscar blueprint and is going after the fights that will generate PPV and earnings for him. I can't see him running from GGG and he would be by far the best opponent Golovkin has ever faced.

I would say win or lose that Alvarez will go up to middleweight after Lara and face Martinez. Golovkin will inevitably have to move up but even in the higher division there wont be a queue of fighters.

milkyboy wrote:I know some posters hark back to the good old days where you stuck at your weight and dominated. That's all well and good, but if there's no competition, you have to chase the dollar. If he was mexican he could fight stiffs for years. He's not, so he needs to make a splash.

I keep hearing he's a small middle... Well he ain't that small. It's fine if he wants to stay at middle, defend against no marks for a few quid. His choice. If he's as good as everyone says, then I'd like to see him in big fights, and martinez aside, they are up a weight. Hey he signed for junior so I'm sure they'll come.

Call me an idealist, but I think a champion should fight his most worthy challengers. As Floyd Patterson said, "It's the heavyweight championship of the world, not the heavyweight championship of the world apart from Sonny Liston."

I'd rather he moved than fight nomarks forever, but he should be given the opportunity not to fight no marks and at least hint at his potential at 160 before leaving.

Patterson was an idiot, john not an idealist. Fancy fighting that big bear, when you're just a little cruiserweight.

I'm happy for ggg to hang around at middle if there are some fights for him and he can prove himself the man at the weight. However,  As a, frankly quite impatient, fan, I'd really like to see the guy in a fight worthy of the name. Not knocking him, not saying its his fault, but if everyone his weight is bricking it at the mention of his name and the stories of his brutal sparring, then maybe the bigger guys won't be.

But would that be making the same mistake as Patterson? Well who cares if its a good tear up. 

It wasn't a mistake. It's the least a champion should be expected to do.

It's because actually facing your top contenders is seen as a mistake that the list of history's world champions will include Julio Cesar Chavez Jr and not Charley Burley.

My post was the usual flippant affair. You have your serious head on John. Is that because you've been taking your tablets? Or stopped taking your tablets?

Whichever, robinson's a ducker and burley beats him?

Wasn't GGG set to fight Pirog before Dmitry sustained a pretty serious back injury?

I really hope Pirog makes a comeback this year. I remember being really impressed by him.

Fingers crossed but I fear we may have seen the last of him... Recurring back injury and he's no spring chicken.

I am a big GGG fan, but even I am sick of his lack of top opp. It may not be his fault, but he is in his thirties and his best win is Stevens. Quillin is a paper champ who will duck him, Martinez is old and looking for money, so can't really blame him. Sturm, well, he isn't leaving Germany again. I am not sure who he can fight at 160, but he needs to fight someone.

milkyboy wrote:My post was the usual flippant affair. You have your serious head on John. Is that because you've been taking your tablets? Or stopped taking your tablets?

Whichever, robinson's a ducker and burley beats him?

I'm on a cocktail of tablets longer than my arm, which, to give context, was stretched to twice its original length in a crochet incident last week.

and obviously.

From Dan Rafael on Twitter: GGG and team reiterate he will go to 168 for a major fight. Would be willing to go to UK to fight Froch-Groves winner.

Degale's next for Froch or Groves winner.

Degalele v GGG for the right to face the winner? I know it won't happen but I'd give my left ball to see it.

GGG's team have asked for an exemption from their mandatory to fight geale.

Looks like Geale next judging by reports.

Well that is better then fletcher

You know what, I hadn't thought of that, and in a perfect world, GGG vs DeGale to get the Froch/Groves winner would be an ideal scenario. Because although DeGale will be in the momentous position of being mandatory, he won't really have done enough to deserve Froch. Yes Groves though. Froch could dump that belt if he got a big offer from Chavez for example.


GGG vs DeGale would answer some questions-  how would the undefeated Kazakh get on against a good cagey boxer with slippery skills, will DeGale have the necessary toughness to mix it at the highest level, will DeGale's lack of pop hinder his progress, wiil DeGale's opposition have left him underprepared, or is DeGale going to be able to fiddle his way to victory against the big beasts?


Not going to happen but as above, would love to see it. DeGale's next fight is of interest though. A quick flick through the internet might suggest Gonzalez(of Mexican and African American heritage,) could prove to be a tricky customer. A former top rated amateur, he may also have a power and speed advantage.


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Herman Jaggery wrote:You know what, I hadn't thought of that, and in a perfect world, GGG vs DeGale to get the Froch/Groves winner would be an ideal scenario. Because although DeGale will be in the momentous position of being mandatory, he won't really have done enough to deserve Froch. Yes Groves though. Froch could dump that belt if he got a big offer from Chavez for example.


GGG vs DeGale would answer some questions-  how would the undefeated Kazakh get on against a good cagey boxer with slippery skills, will DeGale have the necessary toughness to mix it at the highest level, will DeGale's lack of pop hinder his progress, wiil DeGale's opposition have left him underprepared, or is DeGale going to be able to fiddle his way to victory against the big beasts?


Not going to happen but as above, would love to see it. DeGale's next fight is of interest though. A quick flick through the internet might suggest Gonzalez(of Mexican and African American heritage,) could prove to be a tricky customer. A former top rated amateur, he may also have a power and speed advantage.

Having watched Brandon against Tommy Oosthuizen, he looked good, he looked quite tricky, and if he is as good as that performance, he might beat the Chunky One. But Tommy had a very complicated year last year, exacerbated by a body that simply couldnt make 168lbs anymore. Hard to know how much of Brandon's performance was him, and how much was a disinterested Oosthuizen.

Geale will be ruined by Golovkin. Better than nothing fight but Martinez v Golovkin is really the only fight at middleweight. I think Golovkin will have similar difficulty securing fights at super middleweight.