Martinez vs Cotto

From bits I've read it looks like this is happening June next year.

Should be a good fight but heavily favour Sergio at MW as Cotto will be very small and IMO won't be able to hurt Sergio whilst Cotto can be hurt.

There is also a question mark as to how Sergio will return after his layoff a year after a below par performance.

A huge win for either fighter and lucrative for both. I can't imagine much trash talking in this!

It almost seems win or lose that this could be the last fight for both. I can only see a cotto win if as you say Martinez is past it, so his chances of defending the title are low. Most of the top tier middles will be too big and strong for cotto.
If Martinez wins, he's what 40, been on the slide a while now, maybe he chances an alverez fight and gets out.
I don't see ggg fighting either cotto or Martinez should this fight come off in June.
If alverez v cotto (goldenboy offered 10million) came off in June, I think it would force Martinez toward ggg.

If cotto wins I can see a cotto Floyd rematch for the middleweight belt

Diamond in the rough wrote:If cotto wins I can see a cotto Floyd rematch for the middleweight belt

Floyd can't even make 150lbs rehydrated. This middleweight notion needs to drop! He's a welterweight who is able to at his maximum make light middleweight.

Completely agree ATG.

People seem to think Floyd can only secure his legacy as one of this generations greatest fighters by fighting at 160lbs against Martinez and Golovkin.

It makes no sense.

Pacquiao will have a very successful legacy when he retires having gone up the weights to a maximum weight of 154lbs Titleist (although it was at 151lbs, he did say he couldn't make that weight as they were too big).

Mayweather has done the same.

They have both hammered everyone in and around their divisions (with the exception of JMM and of course the "loss" against Bradley).

They need to prove nothing else as far as im concerned.

Hope they fight each other and both retire having had a fantastic career and having made millions

Why does every thread have to turn into a Floyd love in...

He's too pretty to fight at 160 bla bla bla.

I think Cotto beats him. Martinez has definitely lost a step and whilst Cotto isn't the world beater he was at 147, he should still have enough to cut off the ring and tag Martinez.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Completely agree ATG.

People seem to think Floyd can only secure his legacy as one of this generations greatest fighters by fighting at 160lbs against Martinez and Golovkin.

It makes no sense.

Pacquiao will have a very successful legacy when he retires having gone up the weights to a maximum weight of 154lbs Titleist (although it was at 151lbs, he did say he couldn't make that weight as they were too big).

Mayweather has done the same.

They have both hammered everyone in and around their divisions (with the exception of JMM and of course the "loss" against Bradley).

They need to prove nothing else as far as im concerned.

Hope they fight each other and both retire having had a fantastic career and having made millions

Please. Not this again.

You do realise that very few people want Floyd to move to Middleweight to fight those two, but would welcome the fight if they were able to drop to 154 and challenge him for his titles. There is a difference.

I never turned it into a Floyd thread. ATG brought up a valid point in which i agreed.

I then stated that him AND Pacquiao don't need to move higher up the ranks in terms of weight to prove any more than they already have.

If people think Manny is just as good as Floyd, then why isn't everyone jumping on him to actually move up to 154 or 160?

They have both done enough throughout their respective careers and have beaten world class operators, some with consummate ease.

What the hell has Manny got to do with this.

Take your vomit inducing love elsewhere.

Everyone just needs to stop the Floyd at 160lb nonsense. He's never going to fight there unless he's still going at 50 years old and has a beer belly.

Re: cotto vs. Martinez. Money talks, so this should happen. That's all Martinez cares about at the moment given his age. He's probably got two fights left in him- (1) a winnable fight vs. Cotto with makes him £Xm (2) a career ending fight against GGG, where he will do well to avoid a KO.

All Time Great wrote:

Diamond in the rough wrote:If cotto wins I can see a cotto Floyd rematch for the middleweight belt

Floyd can't even make 150lbs rehydrated. This middleweight notion needs to drop! He's a welterweight who is able to at his maximum make light middleweight.

Yeah I don't expect him to move to 160 but as he's beaten cotto already and cotto being a tiny middleweight I can see the rematch happening

Diamond in the rough wrote:

All Time Great wrote:

Diamond in the rough wrote:If cotto wins I can see a cotto Floyd rematch for the middleweight belt

Floyd can't even make 150lbs rehydrated. This middleweight notion needs to drop! He's a welterweight who is able to at his maximum make light middleweight.

Yeah I don't expect him to move to 160 but as he's beaten cotto already and cotto being a tiny middleweight I can see the rematch happening

At 160lbs?

Doesn't matter if a fighter wants to challenge for a title just as long as he's not OVER the weight limit. Neither De La Hoya or Hopkins were near the MW limit when they fought. Oscar knew he was bloated and slow against Sturm and Hopkins figured he'd drop down too.

MARTINEZ COTTO MARTINEZ COTTO MARTINEZ COTTO MARTINEZ COTTO

TAKE YOUR FLLOYD BUMMING ELSEWHERE

Lance wrote:MARTINEZ COTTO MARTINEZ COTTO MARTINEZ COTTO MARTINEZ COTTO

TAKE YOUR FLLOYD BUMMING ELSEWHERE

There is something seriously lacking with you

It's Christmas eve lads, you surely have better things to do today than slag each other off on here. You do know they introduced all day opening for pubs some years ago don't you?

Rowley wrote:It's Christmas eve lads,  you surely have better things to do today than slag each other off on here. You do know they introduced all day opening for pubs some years ago don't you?

Nah im staying in this year. First time in years. Much rather be on here slagging people off anyway  

Cotto is muck at 154 so Martinez will pot shot and KO Cotto at 160...easy work

Easy win for Sergio if its at 160

Cotto has no business being at 154 let alone 160 and is just far too small to make an impact on Sergio no matter how much he's declined

He may have looked poor against murray but murray is a big storng middleweight and while you may think he was robbed it was still very close

All Time Great wrote:

Diamond in the rough wrote:

All Time Great wrote:

Diamond in the rough wrote:If cotto wins I can see a cotto Floyd rematch for the middleweight belt

Floyd can't even make 150lbs rehydrated. This middleweight notion needs to drop! He's a welterweight who is able to at his maximum make light middleweight.

Yeah I don't expect him to move to 160 but as he's beaten cotto already and cotto being a tiny middleweight I can see the rematch happening

At 160lbs?

Yes! It will give Floyd another weight and will be fighting a guy he's fought before who will no doubt weigh roughly the same as he did last time! I'm not saying he should be fighting the big MW or even a natural 1 but as cotto he's fought before and will give him a lot of ppv buys aswell as the MW belt you would have to think he would fight him

Cotto is surely way too small, Martinez, easy win.

Martinez's rise to stardom has not panned out quite the way it looked like it would. I remember the hype following the Williams and Dzinziruk wins but he has struggled to some extent in most of his fights since.

I'd still be stunned if Cotto troubled him much though. I find it astounding how so many fighters today essentially throw their careers by trying to step up multiple divisions when they'd do better staying where they are and conquering their natural weight class. Just because RJJ did it once doesn't mean anyone can at any time.

Money. Cotto's unlikely to be the best at 154. He can't beat Trout, he probably can't beat Mayweather and Lara would most likely knock him out. Canelo too would start as favourite.

So he may as well take a losing fight for loads of money. I can't see why anyone would expect anything from him bs the bigger, better Martinez anyway so he's unlikely to dissapoint anyone.

But he makes more from Canelo, seemingly they offered him close to $10mil which has to be more than what he's getting against Sergio

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:But he makes more from Canelo, seemingly they offered him close to $10mil which has to be more than what he's getting against Sergio

I think he thinks he can get both fights - at least I read something to this effect on boxingscene recently. If he equips himself well against Martinez he can just say 'wasn't my weight' and take on Canelo. Cotto is exactly the type big name, big money, but very winnable fight that Canelo's handlers would love.

I expect he took a look at Martinez last performance, and thought he has a better chance against him than he does canelo.

cotto has had a lot of big money fights. im surprised hes not content to retire yet. I think he craves a big win. maybe he thinks Martinez is there for the taking.

Lance wrote:I expect he took a look at Martinez last performance, and thought he has a better chance against him than he does canelo.

cotto has had a lot of big money fights. im surprised hes not content to retire yet. I think he craves a big win. maybe he thinks Martinez is there for the taking.

I'd say that's the other element of his decision. The condition of Martinez is what makes this fight interesting because there's no way Cotto could challenge him at MW if he's anything resembling his old self.

Martinez is a better fighter than Cotto particularly on the psychological side of things. The fight depends on how much Sergio has left. Cotto has always been a great ppv draw and should do the numbers.

Cotto has had too many wars to beat Canelo.  I don't rate Alverez, slow, predictable, poor footwork, dodgy stamina etc. Peak Cotto beats Caneli for me but not now.

For me its not even about the wars Cotto has had, he just is too small to challenge 160lbers.

At least with an unlikely Martinez win he is divisional #1, altho no amount of money would ever get him to defend against GGG.

With an unlikely win against Canelo he's still not divisional #1. Also there's the Mayweather factor. Cotto probably wants a rematch and the trinket of WBC 160 champ may be enough to entice Floyd into it.

A shame it's not GGG getting the shot at Martinez as he's vastly more deserving than Cotto.

Exactly, at 5'7 he is a small LMW and comparing him to the 6ft fighters like chavez, murray, barker etc then martinez will just bully him

Cotto has made a decent go of it at LMW but on closer inspection he has only fpught one real light middleweight in trout who schooled him. Dzinzuruk, mayorga, marg and floyd are all really career welters, and out of that list of opponents Dzinzuruk just isn't world class and the other 2 (excluding floyd) were well past their best

Against trout his punches just bounced off of trout and he couldn't take the shots to the body and a couple times he looked like he would be stopped. Martinez is even bigger and will adopt the same tactic. Keep it long and tie him up or even push him back on the inside so he can't use his left hool

Think you mean Foreman not Dzinziruk, can't agree with Marg, Foreman? and Mayorga being Welterweights, they're more like middleweights than they are Welterweights and always have been. It's a wonder that Marg and Mayorga were ever able to make 147lbs let alone with such regularity, I think Marg outweighed Cotto by almost a stone in their first fight.

What gets me is when people go on about peak Cotto beating these 154lbers like Alvarez and Trout which I really dont think he does, just too small and not not skillful enough.

No I mean dzinzurik, he hadn't fought at 154 prior to Wolak (spelling)

How many times has marg fought at 154?

Mayorga perhaps not but he was a shell so might as well have been

Didn't include foreman as he was a weak paper champ and was only stopped because his knee gave way

Oh you mean Delvin Rodriguez, Dzinziruk was the apparent master jabber who got outjabbed by Martinez.

I think we're looking at things from different perspectives here WHU, who's more of a 154lber Mayweather or Thurman? Mayorga and Margarito were never that good in the first place so boiled down as far as they possibly could, neither would have been out of place fighting at middleweight. Margarito is a lot bigger than Cotto regardless of what the weight limit is but I do agree that Cotto has beaten nobody of real note at 154lbs.

Yea sorry meant rodriquez

And I know what your saying but the fact is, being a big welter doesn't mean you'll automatically do well at 154 and the aforementioned fighters were either at well past there best, not NATURAL at 154 or just a tune up fight

I'd say they are natural at 154lbs but their lack of skill and size advantage means they can't beat men of their own size. Personally don't think people the fight night weight of Margarito, Williams or Mayorga should have been able to fight at welterweight, it's making a mockery of the weight classes.

Martinez will KO Cotto within 9 rounds.

Cotto's got no real gameplan against slick southpaws, as his performance against Trout showed.