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Graham Henry "Argentina must adopt professionalism"
Graham Henry wants to continue his involvement with Argentina in this year's Rugby Championship.
Henry raised eyebrows last year when he joined the Pumas camp to help Argentina's young head coach, Santiago Phelan.
The controversial move came less than a year after Henry had overseen New Zealand's World Cup success. That left some Kiwis uncomfortable as he plotted against many of his victorious All Blacks who were coached by Henry's long-term assistant, Steve Hansen.
Henry's move was part of his freelance landscape that saw his talents sought overseas and in New Zealand in a broad mentoring role.
Now, as he immerses himself in a fulltime job as an assistant to John Kirwan at the Blues, Henry made it clear he would like to return to the Pumas when the Super Rugby season ends.
"Yeah, most probably. That hasn't been quite finalised yet but that's the intention," the 66-year-old said.
The 38-year-old Phelan took over from long-serving Pumas coach Marcelo Loffreda in 2008 and, according to Henry, is "very inexperienced" in coaching terms.
"The only thing he's coached apart from international rugby is his kid's under-12 side. So he asked me to mentor him which I did last year. I enjoyed it, I enjoyed the people and I enjoyed the challenge," Henry said. He believes it's a challenge that will only increase.
Desperate to make their mark in the expanded Tri-Nations, the Pumas used Henry's knowledge to make a credible debut against the world heavyweights.
They drew 18-all with the Springboks in Argentina, got pipped 23-19 by the Wallabies in Brisbane and pushed the All Blacks hard in Wellington before the score blew out late to finish 21-5.
"They made a good impression...they had an opportunity to win a couple of games. But I think it will get harder this year, because the other three sides will know them more. I also think that Australia and South Africa will be better this year. New Zealand are always going to be strong but the other two will come up."
But Henry believes it will take more than his coaching talent to get things on the right track long term. It will require a change in culture in Argentina rugby, where the game remains an amateur outpost in a professional world.
"The Argentinians either stay at home and play amateur football or they play professional rugby in Europe. So they get no break from the game - and that's going to take its toll. It makes it hugely difficult for them," Henry said of the top Pumas operating in Europe for club play and then the Southern Hemisphere for tests during our winter.
"I think what they have to do - and I'm sure they are thinking this way - is to start professional rugby at home with a couple of teams."
Henry believed that, aligned with players infiltrating Super Rugby squads in New Zealand, Australia and South Africa, would allow the Pumas a better base to operate from
Henry raised eyebrows last year when he joined the Pumas camp to help Argentina's young head coach, Santiago Phelan.
The controversial move came less than a year after Henry had overseen New Zealand's World Cup success. That left some Kiwis uncomfortable as he plotted against many of his victorious All Blacks who were coached by Henry's long-term assistant, Steve Hansen.
Henry's move was part of his freelance landscape that saw his talents sought overseas and in New Zealand in a broad mentoring role.
Now, as he immerses himself in a fulltime job as an assistant to John Kirwan at the Blues, Henry made it clear he would like to return to the Pumas when the Super Rugby season ends.
"Yeah, most probably. That hasn't been quite finalised yet but that's the intention," the 66-year-old said.
The 38-year-old Phelan took over from long-serving Pumas coach Marcelo Loffreda in 2008 and, according to Henry, is "very inexperienced" in coaching terms.
"The only thing he's coached apart from international rugby is his kid's under-12 side. So he asked me to mentor him which I did last year. I enjoyed it, I enjoyed the people and I enjoyed the challenge," Henry said. He believes it's a challenge that will only increase.
Desperate to make their mark in the expanded Tri-Nations, the Pumas used Henry's knowledge to make a credible debut against the world heavyweights.
They drew 18-all with the Springboks in Argentina, got pipped 23-19 by the Wallabies in Brisbane and pushed the All Blacks hard in Wellington before the score blew out late to finish 21-5.
"They made a good impression...they had an opportunity to win a couple of games. But I think it will get harder this year, because the other three sides will know them more. I also think that Australia and South Africa will be better this year. New Zealand are always going to be strong but the other two will come up."
But Henry believes it will take more than his coaching talent to get things on the right track long term. It will require a change in culture in Argentina rugby, where the game remains an amateur outpost in a professional world.
"The Argentinians either stay at home and play amateur football or they play professional rugby in Europe. So they get no break from the game - and that's going to take its toll. It makes it hugely difficult for them," Henry said of the top Pumas operating in Europe for club play and then the Southern Hemisphere for tests during our winter.
"I think what they have to do - and I'm sure they are thinking this way - is to start professional rugby at home with a couple of teams."
Henry believed that, aligned with players infiltrating Super Rugby squads in New Zealand, Australia and South Africa, would allow the Pumas a better base to operate from
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Re: Graham Henry "Argentina must adopt professionalism"
Sounds sensible to me. Argentina have always 'over achieved' relative to the amateur status of their home teams. Can understand the reservations of some NZ fans but rugby is an international sport with coaches and players plying their trade world wide. A strong Argentina is good for the game as are strengthening sides in all the developing rugby nations. 20yrs on rugby is going to be a massive game all over the place with 7s paving the way with Olympic inclusion.
Re: Graham Henry "Argentina must adopt professionalism"
The only real way that the Argies are going to have professional players of any number in the SH is to have at leasst one team in the Super rugby.
Few players will choose to play in Super Rugby if
1) it is not in their home country
2) They have to to play international
3) Can get a good NH contract.
Why would players in Argentina take a pay cut to go live in SA/Oz/Nz.
In the next round of S15 talks they need at least one team based in Argentina
Few players will choose to play in Super Rugby if
1) it is not in their home country
2) They have to to play international
3) Can get a good NH contract.
Why would players in Argentina take a pay cut to go live in SA/Oz/Nz.
In the next round of S15 talks they need at least one team based in Argentina
Brendan- Posts : 4252
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Re: Graham Henry "Argentina must adopt professionalism"
[quote="Brendan"]The only real way that the Argies are going to have professional players of any number in the SH is to have at leasst one team in the Super rugby.
Few players will choose to play in Super Rugby if
1) it is not in their home country
2) They have to to play international
3) Can get a good NH contract.
Why would players in Argentina take a pay cut to go live in SA/Oz/Nz.
In the next round of S15 talks they need at least one team based in Argentina[/quote
Hard South African Grounds
Sunny Australian Beaches
New Zealand lamb
the chance to play with some top rugby players
The chance to have a season in line with the international season
Few players will choose to play in Super Rugby if
1) it is not in their home country
2) They have to to play international
3) Can get a good NH contract.
Why would players in Argentina take a pay cut to go live in SA/Oz/Nz.
In the next round of S15 talks they need at least one team based in Argentina[/quote
Hard South African Grounds
Sunny Australian Beaches
New Zealand lamb
the chance to play with some top rugby players
The chance to have a season in line with the international season
nganboy- Posts : 1868
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Age : 55
Location : New Zealand
Re: Graham Henry "Argentina must adopt professionalism"
Nganboy
Do you think the players will be able to appreciate all of the above?
More likely its "spend 4 months living out of a suitcase, flying all over the SH, getting completely jetlagged and never seeing your family or being able to appreciate the hard south african grounds etc".
As well as being paid far less then those options in Europe.
Getting Argentinian players into SR sides from the 3N nations is not the answer... few will take it up, at least those with decent offers from Europe.
Do you think the players will be able to appreciate all of the above?
More likely its "spend 4 months living out of a suitcase, flying all over the SH, getting completely jetlagged and never seeing your family or being able to appreciate the hard south african grounds etc".
As well as being paid far less then those options in Europe.
Getting Argentinian players into SR sides from the 3N nations is not the answer... few will take it up, at least those with decent offers from Europe.
fa0019- Posts : 8196
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Re: Graham Henry "Argentina must adopt professionalism"
Who wouldn't want to spend the summer in Argentina, get paid for doing something you love and then go home. Great move Henry.
GunsGerms- Posts : 12542
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Age : 44
Location : Ireland
Re: Graham Henry "Argentina must adopt professionalism"
Not to mention New Zealand lamb when they could get the best,Welsh Lamb up here!fa0019 wrote:Nganboy
Do you think the players will be able to appreciate all of the above?
More likely its "spend 4 months living out of a suitcase, flying all over the SH, getting completely jetlagged and never seeing your family or being able to appreciate the hard south african grounds etc".
As well as being paid far less then those options in Europe.
Getting Argentinian players into SR sides from the 3N nations is not the answer... few will take it up, at least those with decent offers from Europe.
Taffineastbourne- Posts : 2043
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Re: Graham Henry "Argentina must adopt professionalism"
He meant to eat.
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