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The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Afro Thu 09 Aug 2012, 2:01 pm
- Team TOS:
Starting XI
-------------------------------Ruddy (Nor)
Bardsley (Sund)---Kompany (Man C)---Tomkins (W Ham)---Fabio (QPR)
--------------------Lucas (L’pool)----Cabaye (Newc)
Dempsey (Ful)-----------------VDV (Tott)------------Silva (Man C)
-------------------------------Bent (Villa)
Tactics
In Kompany we have the leader of our side, who can organise the defensive line. The attacking three behind the striker are all able to play in a central role and should interchange. This makes it difficult for them to be picked up by man-markers. We should look to make sure we keep the ball and dominate possession, with Bent able to put the chances away.
We should be patient when we have the ball and focus on getting the basics right and retaining possession. We have some good technical players going forward and they can beat their men.
Defence
Kompany runs the defense, he can win headers, make tackles, blocks. He is one of the best defenders in the Premier League. Tomkins is also big and strong and can dominate aerially. He has came off the back of a strong season at West Ham.
Bardsley and especially Fabio can make runs down the flanks and get balls in. When they defend they should make sure they keep in line with the flat back four, which Kompany organises and show their winger wide, force them to attempt a cross rather than allowing them infield. If the cross comes in both Kompany and Tomkins at 6'4 can deal with it.
Midfield
Lucas should be our screen in front of the back four and should pretty much defend as this allows the full backs to be more aggressive. If they play an attacking midfielder then he has the responsibility of pressurizing him, making him think quickly and make mistakes. Cabaye should play in a box to box role where he can help Lucas when we don't have possession, but when we have it he can play long balls through to our attacking players.
Van Der Vaart can create chances, shoot, and do about everything. He should try to get just between the midfield and defensive lines, and try to make some space there. Silva and Dempsey are both quality playmakers and can come infield, due to the full backs attacking where we will have space created. There will be a lot of uncertainty throughout their defense as to who they should mark. They both have the dribbling ability and skills to take on a man and play the killer pass or go for a shot, whichever is the better option.
Attack
Darren Bent is a very experienced striker. When he is fit, he scores goals. In his last two clubs (Aston Villa and Sunderland) he scored 50 goals in 96 games. Silva, Dempsey and Van Der Vaart will create the chances and he is more than capable of putting them away. He can look to get on the shoulder of the last man which would cause problems, as they will be forced into a deeper defensive line due to his pace and then the midfield will have even more space to operate in.
Set Pieces
Kompany and Tomkins should both get forward for set pieces. Bent is a poacher and should get on the six yard line, and either Cabaye or Dempsey should get just outside the box for a long range effort.
Left Corner - Silva
Right Corner - Dempsey
Free Kicks - Silva/Cabaye
Penalties - Dempsey
Substitutions
We have a lot of good options throughout our squad. Depending on the situation, we could change the squad however we wanted.
If winning
Bring on Scott Parker for VDV. This would give us more steel in the middle of the park and with Lucas/Parker/Cabaye we would dominate the ball and add extra energy to the midfield.
If drawing
Mix up the attack a bit, bring on Cisse for Bent who can score great goals and use his pace to attack a tiring defense. Parker or Nolan could come on for Lucas to provide more of an attacking threat there. Even bring on Dembele for one of the three behind the striker to give us an out and out winger to threaten.
If losing
Move to a more attacking 4-4-2. Parker and Cabaye should be partners in the centre of midfield, and Cisse can partner Darren Bent in attack. We would have a more narrow midfield and Hutton can come on to provide more attacking threat down the right to match Fabio on the left.
- Team Nando/Viva:
Formation: 4-2-3-1Davies
Jones---Shawcross---Koscielny---Taylor
Fellaini----Karacan
Valencia----Mata----Moses
Rooney
Subs
Federici
Heitinga
Ramires
Lallana
Allen
Van Persie
Odemwingie
Set Pieces
Freekick 26 yards or more: Mata/Rooney
Freekick 25 yards or less: Mata
Corner right: Mata
Corner left: Valencia
Penalty: Rooney
Defending Corners: Big plays mark their big players
Attacking Corners: Fellaini get forward make a nuisance attack ball
KEEPER
Davies be confident always communicate with defenders, if you come out for the ball we prefer you to catch it but at times you must punch, when you do this allow the defence to know that you are coming for the ball with a nice early shout. When a striker is coming at you we would like you to stand as tall and big as possible making the goal look small, try and make the striker blink first hold your nerve and it can unsettle him. If you get the ball from their attack try to hit them on the counter by spreading the ball out with a long throw to wide men to start us off or if they short at the ball an long punt to Rooney.
DEFENCE
I want you lot to work as a unit, when one pushes up you all push up like a synchronized swimmer. When we're attacking the fullbacks will push up, depending on the side we push up the opposite FB will not go further then half way line. When we are on attack CB push forward which will force the opposition strikers to drop and cause a domino affect pushing their whole team into own half. Shawcross deal with the long balls, Koscielny drop back slightly and contest the second ball or any loose ball.
Jones don't dive into the opposition winger, jockey him, position yourself in a way where he will have to go away from goal or he put on his weaker foot. If they do put a lot of pressure with long balls you can tuck inside. When going forward we prefer you to use movement making runs beyond the LB to create space and opening for Valencia most of your attacking work will be done with running.
Shawcross we prefer you to play as the dominant defender, pick up the physical striker challenge for the headers and be up for the fight. Don't go too tight on your man leave a little space, get in the way of shots, block, intercept, don't follow your man out of position stay in your zone.
Koscielny pick up the SS/AM the one off the striker, we've seen you deal with Messi before so tricky customers shouldn't be to testing. Watch the ball and only put a tackle in when you can get the ball, you are quick enough so use your speed and timing of tackles and interceptions. I don't want you to leave a gap between yourself and Shawcross keep it tight.
Taylor don't dive into the opposition winger, jockey him, position yourself in a way where he will have to go away from goal or he put on his weaker foot. If they do put a lot of pressure with long balls you can tuck inside. When going forward use the ball get a feel of it link up with our wide man, pass and move get crosses in for our attackers.
MIDFIELD
Fellaini and Karacan will place as the base of our midfield, the two who will start moves for us and break up the play working together as a unit. Karacan will sit in front of the back four being disciplined in his play, he will pick up any free players or fill in for anyone out of position, get tackles in and quickly get the ball forward with snappy passes nothing Hollywood. Fellaini slightly ahead to put pressure on the opposition midfielders, use your power and strength to get at them, don't give them time to settle on the ball, drive forward with the ball support the attack and the defence.
The three in front will play as the offensive part of the midfield machine, Valencia has to give us width and protection to Jones who we have identified as our weakest player. Consistency is what we need and with Valencias crosses to Rooney we are sure of that up and down the wing use power and speed. Mata will play behind Rooney demanding the ball to play in Rooney or the other two wide players. Keep the ball ticking always look to move it. Moses to keep the defender guessing coming inside to run at them or using the width to run and get crosses, link up with Mata swapping positions.
Karacan your role will be to hold your position do not push forward play in front of the back four offering them protection and some steel. When the opposition come into your zone close them down, forcing them backwards, look for any free players to pick up intercepting, passes. When you get the ball keep it simple look for our fullbacks who will give support or Fellaini you don't need to play the through balls just simple so we retain possession.
Fellaini we are planning to use you as box to box but more work must be done in the defensive area. Help Karacan in defensive duties pressuring the opposition a little higher up so we can get the ball quicker, use your power and strength dominate the opposition you are tall look to win the aerial battles. When you get forward drive into the box make late surging runs, also when you are on the ball run with your dynamic style as you are hard to stop in full flow.
Valencia has to get the ball into the box a lot so Rooney can attack it, stay on the outside as it if effective whip it in. Use your pace to make off ball runs to stretch defence, track back and help Jones. Strong player so we expect that you can play a physical game against a tough LB.
Mata look to get into pockets and use your passing at full affect, run forward with the ball use your dribbling skills and your key passing to open up the opposition. Clip balls over the top or a defence splitting pass, get a shot in if you are in range, go out wide and use the space there if you are confined centrally. Always on the move don't be allowed to be marked.
Moses we want to see a mix from you, at times use the width of the pitch and run down it getting crosses and other times cut inside and run at the midfield or if you are closer to goal look for Rooney/Mata linking up with them. You are known for your dribbles so use your strengths and get at the opposition fullback, we want you to drop back as well when we don't have the ball.
STRIKER
Rooney will be leading our attack, I feel the three behind him offer Rooney what he needs to play at his very best as a lone striker, Valencia will always offer consistent balls for him, the other two are flexible in their positions to get beyond him at times or linking up with him with a quick one or two. We think with the team we have here Rooney will be less likely to drop deep to pick up the ball because of the quality of players behind him to give him the service.
Rooney always stay on the move get between the two CB, be aware of Valencias crossing get in front of your man make the last second movement to beat him to the ball. Mata will be looking to play you in through centrally so at times you will play very high on the shoulder of defender time your runs, link up with the attacking players behind you quick pass here and there to quicken tempo, if you can run at the opposition with the ball then do that pass and move and get into box vary your style.
65 MIN SUB
Moses off Ramires on (Fresh legs and energy into midfield)
75 MIN SUB IF LOSING
Karacan off Van Persie on (We play 4-4-2 with Rooney and Persie up top)
75 MIN SUB IF WINNING
Karacan off Allen on (Someone who cna keep ball well)
82 MIN SUB IF LOSING
Valencia off Odemwingie on (Play as wide forward)
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Afro Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:27 pm
I had four votes excluding my own.
The result of those votes is.....
2-2
Therefore it comes down to my judgement.
Some questions...
The result of those votes is.....
2-2
Win for Nando and Viva.
I think Nando and Viva's team has a good balance in it. The other team has a reasonably poor defence (apart from Kompay), especially the fullbacks. I'd have put Riise in at LB and SWP at RW
Win for TOS
Feel that TOS has a far better team and Nando/Viva made a few odd decisions such as playing Moses on the left when he should always play on the right. This seams like it was done solely to make sure that Viva got in his two Man U players into the starting line up in Rooney and Valencia. If they wanted Moses for Wigan and Viva was insistent on two Man U players then they should have gone with Young on the left rather than Valencia on the right. Equally they could have gone with Valencia - Rooney - Mata with RVP in front of them. Going back to TOS I feel they did a good job in using the fullbacks from the weaker teams especially Fabio for QPR. Their whole team just looks like it would gel together and the two City players chosen (Kompany and Silva) were two great choices from what is probably the best side in the league. In the end it also comes down to who do I feel made the best choice of which club got two starting players and TOS with Kompany/Silva beat Nando/Viva with Rooney/Valencia based on the aformentioned Moses reasoning.
Win for Team Nando/Viva
Both teams are well balanced and well matched, but both teams had weaknesses due to the task. Nando/Viva's weakness was Karacan in midfield, who is good but not good enough to handle Silva and VDV. TOS's weakness was the defence, despite the inclusion of Kompany. Fabio is a good LB at getting forward but has questions about him defensively. Overall, I think Team Nando/Viva would win, because Fellaini in midfield copes with VDV better than Lucas copes with Mata, and I feel Rooney is smart enough to target Tomkins over Kompany while Shawcross and Koscielny are able to handle Bent.
Win for TOS
Reason: For me Viva/Nando have made a couple of errors. First of all the decision to put Kelvin Davis in goal baffles me. He has never, and will never be Premier League standard. I really can't understand why they picked him. Also the use of Karacan in the midfield baffles me. He is not a holding midfielder, he is a box to box guy. If they wanted a holding midfielder from Reading they should have picked Leigetwood (spelling). And although Viva/Nando have a good defence, and TwisT/Soddy/Trebs defence is weaker, I think they have the better balanced side and they win the game and task for me. Why Nando/Viva picked Karacan as a holding midfielder, and Davis in goal I'll never know
Therefore it comes down to my judgement.
Some questions...
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Afro Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:33 pm
Team Nando/Viva
1. There is some strong inference that you upset the possible balance of the team by an insistence at having Valencia in there. Can you defend yourself?
2. For me, Southampton's weakness is their keeper and defence. Do you think Davis was the best choice from the Saints?
3. Karacan's role was picked up as being wrong in the tactics. Can you defend your choice of selecting him, and how you chose to use him
4. How much did you consider what the other team might select given that the task was going to a match vote?
5. Why do you think you should win?
Team TOS
1. It was commented that, aside from Kompany, your defence was weak. Is this a fair comment?
2. In particular, Fabio took a bit of slating. How do you feel about that?
3. I feel that you had the advantage in that your list of teams was stronger. How come with the team advantage, and the extra player, you still couldn't win the votes
4. How much did you consider what the other team might select given that the task was going to a match vote?
5. Why do you think you should win?
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by sodhat Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:34 pm
Ahem...Karacan was an error on the other team's behalf Mr Afro.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by sodhat Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:37 pm
But as for the other questions
2. Weak is harsh, we have 2 quality CBs and 1 proven Premier League full back. Fabio is the weak link, but he was a circumstantial choice, and we had to have a QPR player somewhere. It was assessed that FB is maybe the less important of the positions so we lumped him in there.
3. Very little, we focussed on our team and getting the balance right, and I think we did.
4. We have a well balanced side, no one is out of position and the overall squad gives us some flexibility too. It was altogether a well thought out task on our side in that sense.
2. Weak is harsh, we have 2 quality CBs and 1 proven Premier League full back. Fabio is the weak link, but he was a circumstantial choice, and we had to have a QPR player somewhere. It was assessed that FB is maybe the less important of the positions so we lumped him in there.
3. Very little, we focussed on our team and getting the balance right, and I think we did.
4. We have a well balanced side, no one is out of position and the overall squad gives us some flexibility too. It was altogether a well thought out task on our side in that sense.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Trebs Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:39 pm
1. Karacan's role was picked up as being wrong in the tactics. Can you defend your choice of selecting him, and how you chose to use him
We didn't choose Karacan
2. It was commented that, aside from Kompany, your defence was weak. Is this a fair comment?
I think Tomkins is a very good defender, who has had a very good season at West Ham. Fabio is a quick player who can get forward and peg back the opposing winger. Bardsley is a very average defender to be honest.
3. How much did you consider what the other team might select given that the task was going to a match vote?
I didn't consider it at all, I didn't realise it would be a match against the other team, just generally which team would fare better in the premier league.
4. Why do you think you should win?
We have been criticized for our weak defense, but in going forward we have some of the best players from the premier league last season. Cabaye was a revelation at Newcastle, Silva was one of the best attacking midfielders in the world, and Bent scores goals.
We didn't choose Karacan
2. It was commented that, aside from Kompany, your defence was weak. Is this a fair comment?
I think Tomkins is a very good defender, who has had a very good season at West Ham. Fabio is a quick player who can get forward and peg back the opposing winger. Bardsley is a very average defender to be honest.
3. How much did you consider what the other team might select given that the task was going to a match vote?
I didn't consider it at all, I didn't realise it would be a match against the other team, just generally which team would fare better in the premier league.
4. Why do you think you should win?
We have been criticized for our weak defense, but in going forward we have some of the best players from the premier league last season. Cabaye was a revelation at Newcastle, Silva was one of the best attacking midfielders in the world, and Bent scores goals.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Afro Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:43 pm
Sorry. Can you redo your answers please 
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by TwisT Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:45 pm
1. It was commented that, aside from Kompany, your defence was weak. Is this a fair comment?
Tomkins is a very good CB and was praised for his season with West Ham. I don't see Fabio as a weak link. I see a player that will blossom now that he isn't in Evra's shadow.
2. Fabio is a young up and coming LB. Yes, he isn't the best LB we could have picked, but at least he isn't being played out of position.
3. How much did you consider what the other team might select given that the task was going to a match vote?
Not a lot. But then teams play their best first 11. Not to try and mould a team to take on a certain opponent. That was our first choice XI
4. Why do you think you should win?.
Us. If I was voting I would say the better all round team is TOS.
Tomkins is a very good CB and was praised for his season with West Ham. I don't see Fabio as a weak link. I see a player that will blossom now that he isn't in Evra's shadow.
2. Fabio is a young up and coming LB. Yes, he isn't the best LB we could have picked, but at least he isn't being played out of position.
3. How much did you consider what the other team might select given that the task was going to a match vote?
Not a lot. But then teams play their best first 11. Not to try and mould a team to take on a certain opponent. That was our first choice XI
4. Why do you think you should win?.
Us. If I was voting I would say the better all round team is TOS.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Afro Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:48 pm
BigFellasAfro wrote:Sorry. Can you redo your answers please
I have updated the questions...
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by TwisT Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:50 pm
4. The fact is.....as the reasons state...Team Nando/Viva made some fundamental errors with the team they picked.
We haven't played people in postions that do not suit them. The only complaint is Fabio. You are always going to get a "weak link" in any side. But it isn't as if we asked Fabio to play in goal. He is a PL LB and we have played him as a LB.
We haven't played people in postions that do not suit them. The only complaint is Fabio. You are always going to get a "weak link" in any side. But it isn't as if we asked Fabio to play in goal. He is a PL LB and we have played him as a LB.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Trebs Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:51 pm
2. In particular, Fabio took a bit of slating. How do you feel about that?
I think it us unfair. He is a decent full back who can get forward and peg back the opposing winger, he is young and pacey.
3. I feel that you had the advantage in that your list of teams was stronger. How come with the team advantage, and the extra player, you still couldn't win the votes
I think they had some of the better teams on paper who under-achieved in the premier league. Wigan have some good players, as do Everton, Swansea and Chelsea.
I think it us unfair. He is a decent full back who can get forward and peg back the opposing winger, he is young and pacey.
3. I feel that you had the advantage in that your list of teams was stronger. How come with the team advantage, and the extra player, you still couldn't win the votes
I think they had some of the better teams on paper who under-achieved in the premier league. Wigan have some good players, as do Everton, Swansea and Chelsea.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Afro Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:51 pm
Personally I see Fabio as a very poor player and I do not think SAF sees him as a long term United player.
With regard to not considering the opposition, that is pretty poor (although I think it will be the same from the other team). It was clearly on the task outline that it would be a match vote, and yes you should be selecting the best XI, but as your manager it is your job to ensure you get the better of the other team. This means being aware of their threat and acting to stop it.
With regard to not considering the opposition, that is pretty poor (although I think it will be the same from the other team). It was clearly on the task outline that it would be a match vote, and yes you should be selecting the best XI, but as your manager it is your job to ensure you get the better of the other team. This means being aware of their threat and acting to stop it.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by sodhat Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:54 pm
2. In particular, Fabio took a bit of slating. How do you feel about that?
Bad for Fabio...
But he was a choice of circumstance as I say, and possibly gave us the strongest team we could feasibly have had. Of course we could have gone with Clichy, Assou or others, but it would comprimise our ability to choose a more fundamentally important player elsewhere.
3. I feel that you had the advantage in that your list of teams was stronger. How come with the team advantage, and the extra player, you still couldn't win the votes
I feel that you shouldn't be conferring advantages...
It's difficult to pinpoint advantages anywhere when you consider the breadth of the task. We may have had clubs with great players in some positions but pap in others, and it's the same for the other side. We had to find the balance and I think we did a good job of it.
Bad for Fabio...
But he was a choice of circumstance as I say, and possibly gave us the strongest team we could feasibly have had. Of course we could have gone with Clichy, Assou or others, but it would comprimise our ability to choose a more fundamentally important player elsewhere.
3. I feel that you had the advantage in that your list of teams was stronger. How come with the team advantage, and the extra player, you still couldn't win the votes
I feel that you shouldn't be conferring advantages...
It's difficult to pinpoint advantages anywhere when you consider the breadth of the task. We may have had clubs with great players in some positions but pap in others, and it's the same for the other side. We had to find the balance and I think we did a good job of it.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by TwisT Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:55 pm
BigFellasAfro wrote:Personally I see Fabio as a very poor player and I do not think SAF sees him as a long term United player.
With regard to not considering the opposition, that is pretty poor (although I think it will be the same from the other team). It was clearly on the task outline that it would be a match vote, and yes you should be selecting the best XI, but as your manager it is your job to ensure you get the better of the other team. This means being aware of their threat and acting to stop it.
How was we supposed to do that without looking at what the other team picked? Yes managers should go out their way to stop the other team, but at least they have a fair idea of who is going to play. Because of the nature of the task, there were far to many variables.
Unless you are saying we should have looked at each others team, then I really can't see how you can mark either team down on this. Maybe we should have submitted the squads first....seen what each team had picked and THEN do the tactics.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Trebs Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:55 pm
I can understand your point completely, we should have considered it. Mata and Rooney would have definitely played for them and maybe we should have looked at that and made attempts to stop them. However, our side still works well against them, Kompany got the better of Rooney when they played their games in the league this season, for example.
As for Fabio, I think it will be like Danny Welbeck and Tom Cleverley. He will spend the season out on loan, and come back a better player and take Evra's spot next season. He is technically seen as a better player than Rafael and it is only because Evra is arguably the best left back in world football that he isn't getting too much game time at Man Utd.
As for Fabio, I think it will be like Danny Welbeck and Tom Cleverley. He will spend the season out on loan, and come back a better player and take Evra's spot next season. He is technically seen as a better player than Rafael and it is only because Evra is arguably the best left back in world football that he isn't getting too much game time at Man Utd.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Afro Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:56 pm
By the way, I am trying to be Lord Sugar like and play devil's advocate...
If I had a look at the other team's list of teams, I would have had a fair guess on some the players they would have selected.
If I had a look at the other team's list of teams, I would have had a fair guess on some the players they would have selected.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Trebs Fri 10 Aug 2012, 1:59 pm
Also, to say our defense was weak compared to their's is unfair. For me:
Ruddy > Davies
Bardsley < Jones
Kompany > Shawcross
Tomkins < Koscielny
Fabio > Taylor
Ruddy > Davies
Bardsley < Jones
Kompany > Shawcross
Tomkins < Koscielny
Fabio > Taylor
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 10 Aug 2012, 2:01 pm
Neil Taylor is better than Fabio
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by TwisT Fri 10 Aug 2012, 2:04 pm
I still don't see how we could have had a fair idea what they would have picked.
For example, why not RVP and Young or Jelavic and Song or Cech and Vidic? I don't see how Rooney and Mata is such a "done deal" that we would have expected them to pick those two.
For example, why not RVP and Young or Jelavic and Song or Cech and Vidic? I don't see how Rooney and Mata is such a "done deal" that we would have expected them to pick those two.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Afro Fri 10 Aug 2012, 2:04 pm
Okay, thanks.
Now I want to hear from the other team
Now I want to hear from the other team
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by FIFA Diva Fri 10 Aug 2012, 2:14 pm
1. There is some strong inference that you upset the possible balance of the team by an insistence at having Valencia in there. Can you defend yourself?
I wanted to add real life to the task and we've all seen how good Valencia is for Rooney. I don't think the balance of the team was affected.
2. For me, Southampton's weakness is their keeper and defence. Do you think Davis was the best choice from the Saints?
We wanted to make the squad as balanced as possible and I feel the players we picked were better as a squad and first 11.
3. Karacan's role was picked up as being wrong in the tactics. Can you defend your choice of selecting him, and how you chose to use him
I did speak to some Reading fans on social networks and asked for their opinion on Karacan and they have given me proof on games where he has played as a DM. He was playing alonside Fellaini and both would share defensive dutites.
4. How much did you consider what the other team might select given that the task was going to a match vote?
I really didn't think about the other team.
5. Why do you think you should win?
I think my team should win, I feel we were better.
I wanted to add real life to the task and we've all seen how good Valencia is for Rooney. I don't think the balance of the team was affected.
2. For me, Southampton's weakness is their keeper and defence. Do you think Davis was the best choice from the Saints?
We wanted to make the squad as balanced as possible and I feel the players we picked were better as a squad and first 11.
3. Karacan's role was picked up as being wrong in the tactics. Can you defend your choice of selecting him, and how you chose to use him
I did speak to some Reading fans on social networks and asked for their opinion on Karacan and they have given me proof on games where he has played as a DM. He was playing alonside Fellaini and both would share defensive dutites.
4. How much did you consider what the other team might select given that the task was going to a match vote?
I really didn't think about the other team.
5. Why do you think you should win?
I think my team should win, I feel we were better.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Afro Fri 10 Aug 2012, 2:18 pm
TwisT wrote:I still don't see how we could have had a fair idea what they would have picked.
For example, why not RVP and Young or Jelavic and Song or Cech and Vidic? I don't see how Rooney and Mata is such a "done deal" that we would have expected them to pick those two.
So what you are saying is that you actually did think about it and decided it was impossible.
Or is that just what you are thinking now
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by TwisT Fri 10 Aug 2012, 2:26 pm
BigFellasAfro wrote:TwisT wrote:I still don't see how we could have had a fair idea what they would have picked.
For example, why not RVP and Young or Jelavic and Song or Cech and Vidic? I don't see how Rooney and Mata is such a "done deal" that we would have expected them to pick those two.
So what you are saying is that you actually did think about it and decided it was impossible.
Or is that just what you are thinking now
I am saying that myself, sodhat and trebs could have very easily come up with what we thought would be the first 11 and all be completely different. There are too many variables involved to try and have a team that covered every possible line up. The best way would be to concentrate on our own team, and pick an XI which we feel would beat any team that Viva/Nando chose. And I feel we did that.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Fernando Fri 10 Aug 2012, 2:46 pm
Team Nando/Viva
1. There is some strong inference that you upset the possible balance of the team by an insistence at having Valencia in there. Can you defend yourself?
Out of the united players we felt he links up with Rooney the best therefore we went for him , We could of chosen Young/Nani but Valencia is their best winger and would of been foolish to leave him out.
2. For me, Southampton's weakness is their keeper and defence. Do you think Davis was the best choice from the Saints?
Whilst it wasn't the best choice we could of made me wanted to play Mata in behind where he's most effective which meant putting Moses out to LW and benching Lallana
3. Karacan's role was picked up as being wrong in the tactics. Can you defend your choice of selecting him, and how you chose to use him
Jem was an influential player for Reading last season and he always played deeper then most midfielders whilst not a DM he played in that kind of position and dictated the play.
4. How much did you consider what the other team might select given that the task was going to a match vote?
We didn't pretty there no way you could predict who they have chosen we could of tried but would look worse if set up for one side and they came with a completely different side
5. Why do you think you should win?
Personally i felt we had the harder teams to choose from and we worked well together which i never thought id say about Viva
and that the other side should of done better then they did.
1. There is some strong inference that you upset the possible balance of the team by an insistence at having Valencia in there. Can you defend yourself?
Out of the united players we felt he links up with Rooney the best therefore we went for him , We could of chosen Young/Nani but Valencia is their best winger and would of been foolish to leave him out.
2. For me, Southampton's weakness is their keeper and defence. Do you think Davis was the best choice from the Saints?
Whilst it wasn't the best choice we could of made me wanted to play Mata in behind where he's most effective which meant putting Moses out to LW and benching Lallana
3. Karacan's role was picked up as being wrong in the tactics. Can you defend your choice of selecting him, and how you chose to use him
Jem was an influential player for Reading last season and he always played deeper then most midfielders whilst not a DM he played in that kind of position and dictated the play.
4. How much did you consider what the other team might select given that the task was going to a match vote?
We didn't pretty there no way you could predict who they have chosen we could of tried but would look worse if set up for one side and they came with a completely different side
5. Why do you think you should win?
Personally i felt we had the harder teams to choose from and we worked well together which i never thought id say about Viva
and that the other side should of done better then they did.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Afro Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:34 pm
Right. I think this task was actually much tougher than it looked initially.
I think both teams did a good job again and you can definately tell we have got the best players still remaining.
Both teams had good submissions. They were well presented and both sets of tactics were very well written. Over the whole squads, I felt that it was impossible to split the two sides, so ultimately it comes down to my view on your starting XIs.
Across the team as a whole, they were well matched.
I feel that the Nando/Viva team is slightly better balanced as the gap between the strength of the defence and attack was smaller. The criticism of Karacan was unfair in my opinion as he was partnered with Fellaini and is equally able to play box to box and DM. However, I think that Moses was played out of position, although I wouldn't call it fundamental as he has played there in the distant past!
For Team TOS, I felt that Tomkins is stronger than the voters suggested, but I do feel that your full backs were weaker. This would be easily exploited by good tactics.
I'lll be honest, I cannot split the teams either, so my verdict comes down to how I think you worked together. Team Viva/Nando worked surprisingly very, very well together and I was very impressed. Team TOS was a bit restricted by one of their team not being able to show his face as much as would have been handy. I appreciate that it is work related and that is fair enough, but at some point that has to be considered alongside those who are on all the time.
Therefore, my winning team is Nando and Viva
Well done
I think both teams did a good job again and you can definately tell we have got the best players still remaining.
Both teams had good submissions. They were well presented and both sets of tactics were very well written. Over the whole squads, I felt that it was impossible to split the two sides, so ultimately it comes down to my view on your starting XIs.
Across the team as a whole, they were well matched.
I feel that the Nando/Viva team is slightly better balanced as the gap between the strength of the defence and attack was smaller. The criticism of Karacan was unfair in my opinion as he was partnered with Fellaini and is equally able to play box to box and DM. However, I think that Moses was played out of position, although I wouldn't call it fundamental as he has played there in the distant past!
For Team TOS, I felt that Tomkins is stronger than the voters suggested, but I do feel that your full backs were weaker. This would be easily exploited by good tactics.
I'lll be honest, I cannot split the teams either, so my verdict comes down to how I think you worked together. Team Viva/Nando worked surprisingly very, very well together and I was very impressed. Team TOS was a bit restricted by one of their team not being able to show his face as much as would have been handy. I appreciate that it is work related and that is fair enough, but at some point that has to be considered alongside those who are on all the time.
Therefore, my winning team is Nando and Viva
Well done
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Trebs Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:36 pm
I've noticed you've decided winning teams a few times by how they worked together. Personally, I don't think it's relevant how well they worked together and is about the quality of submission
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by TwisT Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:39 pm
onlytreblewinners wrote:I've noticed you've decided winning teams a few times by how they worked together. Personally, I don't think it's relevant how well they worked together and is about the quality of submission
Ditto.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Fernando Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:39 pm
I think someone knows their dooooooooomed
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Afro Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:39 pm
TBH the quality of the submissions is normally pretty equal.
It's not very easy picking the winner. If there was an Olly mistake every week, it would be easy, but so far there's only been one.
It's not very easy picking the winner. If there was an Olly mistake every week, it would be easy, but so far there's only been one.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by sodhat Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:41 pm
Well done other team
It was pretty darn equal so I've no complaints with a win going either way
I think you should rehire Bull, and fire him again A5ro.
It was pretty darn equal so I've no complaints with a win going either way
I think you should rehire Bull, and fire him again A5ro.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by FIFA Diva Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:42 pm
Well done Team Nando/Viva
Unlucky team TOS
Unlucky team TOS
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Afro Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:45 pm
You 5ive are good at this. If you could be Poopie, it would make my life easier.
Anyway, Sod, Twist and OTW, it's boardroom...
Please answer:
1) Who was your PM and were they any good?
2) Why do you think you lost?
3) Who should get fired and why?
Anyway, Sod, Twist and OTW, it's boardroom...
Please answer:
1) Who was your PM and were they any good?
2) Why do you think you lost?
3) Who should get fired and why?
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Trebs Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:48 pm
1. Sodhat was in charge. He did a decent job but clearly not good enough as we lost.
2. Well, it certainly wasn't because of the tactics, which was my role, as this was good enough and you've said yourself were of a high standard. I questioned Bardsley and Traore at the time, I also said we shouldn't include Fabio and that it was sodhat making the executive decision on him.
3. Hard decision either way but Sodhat was the PM.
2. Well, it certainly wasn't because of the tactics, which was my role, as this was good enough and you've said yourself were of a high standard. I questioned Bardsley and Traore at the time, I also said we shouldn't include Fabio and that it was sodhat making the executive decision on him.
3. Hard decision either way but Sodhat was the PM.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by sodhat Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:51 pm
1) Who was your PM and were they any good?
Me.
2) Why do you think you lost?
The other teams submission was equally good and ultimately it seemingly came down to minor aspects. I thought the team worked well enough, of course Trebs wasn't around so much, but it would be unfair to say he didn't contribute at all. The selection of Fabio seemed controversial too, and that was between myself and Twist and ultimately I ran with it.
3) Who should get fired and why?
Based purely on looking forward and having the time to participate, it does have to be Trebs. It's a shame because he always produces good work when he is around, but it's whether he will be.
Me.
2) Why do you think you lost?
The other teams submission was equally good and ultimately it seemingly came down to minor aspects. I thought the team worked well enough, of course Trebs wasn't around so much, but it would be unfair to say he didn't contribute at all. The selection of Fabio seemed controversial too, and that was between myself and Twist and ultimately I ran with it.
3) Who should get fired and why?
Based purely on looking forward and having the time to participate, it does have to be Trebs. It's a shame because he always produces good work when he is around, but it's whether he will be.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Trebs Fri 10 Aug 2012, 3:59 pm
Just another note, you say the final task will be an individual task. I believe I will show myself to be very good under those circumstances as I will be able to put the time in for myself and not in a team mechanic which is completely different.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by TwisT Fri 10 Aug 2012, 4:00 pm
1) Who was your PM and were they any good?
Sodhat was in charge. He did a good job. The submission was on time and we were unlucky not to win.
2) Why do you think you lost?
I don't think we lost as such - not on the submission. We failed the task simply because it was deemed the other team worked better.
3) Who should get fired and why?
If we lost the task because of the above reason, then I know that myself and Sodhat worked closely on it. The fall guy must be Trebs simply because he wasn't there enough and ultimately our lack of "togetherness" was the reason we didn't win the task
Sodhat was in charge. He did a good job. The submission was on time and we were unlucky not to win.
2) Why do you think you lost?
I don't think we lost as such - not on the submission. We failed the task simply because it was deemed the other team worked better.
3) Who should get fired and why?
If we lost the task because of the above reason, then I know that myself and Sodhat worked closely on it. The fall guy must be Trebs simply because he wasn't there enough and ultimately our lack of "togetherness" was the reason we didn't win the task
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Afro Fri 10 Aug 2012, 4:04 pm
I think it is difficult to assign blame to any of you as it was a strong showing by all. You are right that the quality of output was top notch, but so was the other teams. I had to select something to pick a winner. I am temptedIf someone could pull an Olly each week that would be great.
This is not a reflection of your ability as I have seen you as a realistic winner throughout. It is more the time you are able to participate. The final task will be a team task, with former competitors returning. You have other things taking up your valuable time at the moment, so it is with regret that I say...
Mouse - You're Fired.
This is not a reflection of your ability as I have seen you as a realistic winner throughout. It is more the time you are able to participate. The final task will be a team task, with former competitors returning. You have other things taking up your valuable time at the moment, so it is with regret that I say...
Mouse - You're Fired.
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 10 Aug 2012, 4:09 pm
Stop saying pulling an Olly for gods sake lol
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Re: The Apprentice Task 5 - The Match
by Trebs Fri 10 Aug 2012, 4:16 pm
Shame to have gone, I look forward to the rematch. I thought I made a good contribution in every task,
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