Federer, Nadal and Ljubicic: The Love Triangle

Or should it be Federer, Ljubicic and Nadal: The love triangle?

Ivan Ljubicic has recently retired from the ATP tour. He stood for but failed in his bid to be elected as president of the ATP board. In this emotional outburst he explains how he doesn't think Rafa did anything to prevent him being elected (!?). But then he lets slip what his real worries are. He is Rogers best friend not Rafa. Rafa may have tried with his wicked ways to win Rogers heart but it wont work.

Ljubicic vs Rafael Nadal: Rafael continues to hinder me. Maybe it´s jealousy of my relationship with Roger Federer...

"I know that Nadal has not done anything against me to prevent me to play that role. He has never spoken to me directly. He has since resigned from the Council but is continuing to send out his favorites and does so with even more power. I do not know what I did wrong. Perhaps it is because in 2006 I said I wanted Federer to be the winner at Roland Garros. If this is the source of much evil, I do not regret something that I said I'm proud indeed. Or maybe he is annoyed that I have a great friendship with Roger."

When it was put to Ljubicic that Rafa has a good relationship with Roger too. Ljubicic had this to say

"They all tell stories. They meet a lot, but certainly would never have dinner together, not as friends."

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Ljubicic-vs-Rafael-Nadal-Rafael-continues-to-hinder-me-Maybe-its-jealousy-of-my-relationship-with-Roger-Federer-articolo4935.html

I can understand Ljubicic's anxiety. Now that he's retired his chances of having dinner with Roger must have diminished. Roger is a popular guy and Rafa can be quite charming. They could end up having dinner together... maybe at the Olympics? What should they tell Ivan?

For once Hawky I am going to credit you for actually taking time out from your obsession from Murray and those associated

Now in regards to Ljubicic. Best friend of Roger it seems a bit of an elevated status. Seems strange that he states he thinks Nadal done nothing to prevent him from getting the role and yet bashes him for not speaking to him?

Just a bizarre interview

legendkillarV2 wrote:For once Hawky I am going to credit you for actually taking time out from your obsession from Murray and those associated

Now in regards to Ljubicic. Best friend of Roger it seems a bit of an elevated status. Seems strange that he states he thinks Nadal done nothing to prevent him from getting the role and yet bashes him for not speaking to him?

Just a bizarre interview

Yes, and with due respect to you both, must we waste time on trivia, interesting though it may be, when there's more urgent and relevant nadal issues to (re)consider just before the Olympics? http://blogs.bettor.com/Rafael-Nadal-fighting-against-time-to-recover-for-Olympics-Tennis-News-a171732

What are the true implications of Nadal's statement he made couple days ago: "I am the one who is most worried"?

CommonSense wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:For once Hawky I am going to credit you for actually taking time out from your obsession from Murray and those associated

Now in regards to Ljubicic. Best friend of Roger it seems a bit of an elevated status. Seems strange that he states he thinks Nadal done nothing to prevent him from getting the role and yet bashes him for not speaking to him?

Just a bizarre interview

Yes, and with due respect to you both, must we waste time on trivia, interesting though it may be, when there's more urgent and relevant nadal issues to (re)consider just before the Olympics? http://blogs.bettor.com/Rafael-Nadal-fighting-against-time-to-recover-for-Olympics-Tennis-News-a171732

What are the true implications of Nadal's statement he made couple days ago: "I am the one who is most worried"?

The sceptics out there won't believe a word of it.

For me the equation is simple. If your injured and play on, you risk further injury he could miss the US hardcourt season.

Nadal has had problems with his knees since he was 14 years old...its no wonder its a perennial problem and hence worry for him.

As LK says if he feels he's fit he'll play, if not then he'll skip to HC season...he's already won Gold before so its not exactly a biggy for him other than being involved and representing Spanish sport - which for him is probably a very high driver for being there.

LK, you can only cry wolf so many times.

IMO, he's not worried about any non-existent injuries. He's scared of the Olympic anti-doping campaign. They've hired an extra 1000+ staffer to assist with drug testing. I believe this is an unprecedented exercise in sports history. If nadal doesn't think he's going to survive the drug test or feels he will be too stressed to focus on winning, he will pull out.

lydian, you've misrepresented what LK says. You totally missed his point. I'll let him sort that out.

IMO, he's not worried about any non-existent injuries. He's scared of the Olympic anti-doping campaign. They've hired an extra 1000+ staffer to assist with drug testing. I believe this is an unprecedented exercise in sports history. If nadal doesn't think he's going to survive the drug test or feels he will be too stressed to focus on winning, he will pull out.

So if other players pull out, are we to assume the same thing?

Mayer and Fish are not playing due to 'injury'

Are they hiding something?

No. We put their history in perspective.

Have either Mayer or Fish been fined for officially breaking the rules? Nadal has, for on-court coaching. Trouble is that once a kid is caught with his hands in the candy jar, he'll have a very hard time re-establishing credibility.

Am I right that Mayer or Fish has virtually no history of unsportsmanlike (mis)conduct? When one's record is as tainted as in Nadal's case, it invites further speculations and suspicion, unfortunately.

legendkillarV2 wrote:Mayer and Fish are not playing due to 'injury'

Are they hiding something?

Fish had heart surgery recently so it's a bit low to drag his name into this.

Mayer? Definitely hiding something, how many other players are known for their "jumping backhand dropshots"???

By the way my entire street received personally signed cards from Rafa warning us that he might be a bit hungover after the Olympics if he decides to go drinking in Camden. If there'd been a return address on the envelope I would have told him to avoid The Enterprise (worst pub ever).

If only other tennis stars were so considerate!

And it not's low to drag someone in who has never tested positive to any drug tests?

No. We put their history in perspective.

Have either Mayer or Fish been fined for officially breaking the rules? Nadal has, for on-court coaching. Trouble is that once a kid is caught with his hands in the candy jar, he'll have a very hard time re-establishing credibility.

Am I right that Mayer or Fish has virtually no history of unsportsmanlike (mis)conduct? When one's record is as tainted as in Nadal's case, it invites further speculations and suspicion, unfortunately.

So the fact he has carried out unsportsmanlike conduct on the courts makes him a drugs cheat?

I shall conclude by that logic that thiefs will carry out murder and r***.

I think we need an 'allegedly' in here somewhere.

The Enterprise (allegedly worst pub ever).
Sorted.

I'm not dragging anyone into anything and answering a question with a question doesn't change the fact that you are being base
here.

legendkillarV2 wrote:And it not's low to drag someone in who has never tested positive to any drug tests?

No. We put their history in perspective.

Have either Mayer or Fish been fined for officially breaking the rules? Nadal has, for on-court coaching. Trouble is that once a kid is caught with his hands in the candy jar, he'll have a very hard time re-establishing credibility.

Am I right that Mayer or Fish has virtually no history of unsportsmanlike (mis)conduct? When one's record is as tainted as in Nadal's case, it invites further speculations and suspicion, unfortunately.

So the fact he has carried out unsportsmanlike conduct on the courts makes him a drugs cheat?

I shall conclude by that logic that thiefs will carry out murder and r***.

JuliusHMarx wrote:I think we need an 'allegedly' in here somewhere.

The Enterprise (allegedly worst pub ever).
Sorted.

Seriously if you've been you'd understand the horror...

Bias?

How. Someone brings someone's name into 'drug taking' based on the notion someone will pull out 'injured' therefore as other players have pulled out injured they by the same merit need to be asked the same question.

Fish had heart surgery, but managed to play a BO5 tournament. Not the best idea if coming back from such a procedure.

We are talking open fairness are we not? If by your suggestion that it is ok for Nadal to be considered and not Fish shows a bias

Also I will give the Enterprise a wide berth

legendkillarV2 wrote:Also I will give the Enterprise a wide berth

Make it so

CommonSense wrote:lydian, you've misrepresented what LK says.

I dont think so.
You're the one misrepresenting Nadal's intentions before they've even happened!
We know your smearing views on Nadal, you've said them often enough - "he represents the biggest fraud in tennis history" as you once said.

legendkillarV2 wrote:Bias?

Not bias - base - as in below your usual lofty standard of debate, on this occasion.

Bar du Musee in Westminster is another one to avoid - £4.80 for a drab pint of Amstel (allegedly).

£4.80?

You need to get yourself "oop" north reckoner!

legendkillarV2 wrote:Bias?

How. Someone brings someone's name into 'drug taking' based on the notion someone will pull out 'injured' therefore as other players have pulled out injured they by the same merit need to be asked the same question.

Fish had heart surgery, but managed to play a BO5 tournament. Not the best idea if coming back from such a procedure.

We are talking open fairness are we not? If by your suggestion that it is ok for Nadal to be considered and not Fish shows a bias

Did you watch the BBC 3 program last night?

I honestly think your knowledge on performance enhancers is below Murray's knowledge of winning slam finals!

Josiah Maiestas wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:Bias?

How. Someone brings someone's name into 'drug taking' based on the notion someone will pull out 'injured' therefore as other players have pulled out injured they by the same merit need to be asked the same question.

Fish had heart surgery, but managed to play a BO5 tournament. Not the best idea if coming back from such a procedure.

We are talking open fairness are we not? If by your suggestion that it is ok for Nadal to be considered and not Fish shows a bias

Did you watch the BBC 3 program last night?

I honestly think your knowledge on performance enhancers is below Murray's knowledge of winning slam finals!

Is that because I don't join the player bashing brigade you cruise on?

lydian wrote:£4.80?

You need to get yourself "oop" north reckoner!

Aye, I miss Edinburgh lydian! Was never short of reasonably priced tasty beer up there - though friends tell me times have changed - some sort of plague of style bars apparently.

reckoner wrote:

lydian wrote:£4.80?

You need to get yourself "oop" north reckoner!

Aye, I miss Edinburgh lydian! Was never short of reasonably priced tasty beer up there - though friends tell me times have changed - some sort of plague of style bars apparently.

Some of the prices down here make your eyes water. I remember a mate being charged £4.20 for Carling. Would've been much cheaper if he drunk his own urine!

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Josiah Maiestas wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:Bias?

How. Someone brings someone's name into 'drug taking' based on the notion someone will pull out 'injured' therefore as other players have pulled out injured they by the same merit need to be asked the same question.

Fish had heart surgery, but managed to play a BO5 tournament. Not the best idea if coming back from such a procedure.

We are talking open fairness are we not? If by your suggestion that it is ok for Nadal to be considered and not Fish shows a bias

Did you watch the BBC 3 program last night?

I honestly think your knowledge on performance enhancers is below Murray's knowledge of winning slam finals!

Is that because I don't join the player bashing brigade you cruise on?

I'd love to hear a realistic explanation on Nadal's change of physique during the change from hardcourt to clay court!

A good answer to this would put my mind at rest.

Reminds me of Ben Johnson!

legendkillarV2 wrote:

reckoner wrote:

lydian wrote:£4.80?

You need to get yourself "oop" north reckoner!

Aye, I miss Edinburgh lydian! Was never short of reasonably priced tasty beer up there - though friends tell me times have changed - some sort of plague of style bars apparently.

Some of the prices down here make your eyes water. I remember a mate being charged £4.20 for Carling. Would've been much cheaper if he drunk his own urine!

That's ridiulous - £4.20 for a Carling! where was this? I need to add it to my blacklist...

legendkillarV2 wrote:And it not's low to drag someone in who has never tested positive to any drug tests?

No. We put their history in perspective.
Have either Mayer or Fish been fined for officially breaking the rules? Nadal has, for on-court coaching. Trouble is that once a kid is caught with his hands in the candy jar, he'll have a very hard time re-establishing credibility.
Am I right that Mayer or Fish has virtually no history of unsportsmanlike (mis)conduct?

So the fact he has carried out unsportsmanlike conduct on the courts makes him a drugs cheat?

I shall conclude by that logic that thiefs will carry out murder and r***.

In my eyes plagiarism is a crime

So we'll have to assume such criminals are on steroids too

Anyway CS why aren't you posting on JAWUM haven? Just try not to plagurise from there

BTW didn't Adam D decide to ban this discussion, for libel ?

Tsk, libel? What libel?

Dunno man ask that Adam D chap .

Do you realy think tennis players legal representatives are trawling every single forum on the internet ready to pounce?

Imagine the awesome publicity they'd get when trying to sue tennis fans!

Lol inbox that to Julius

Josiah Maiestas wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Josiah Maiestas wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:Bias?

How. Someone brings someone's name into 'drug taking' based on the notion someone will pull out 'injured' therefore as other players have pulled out injured they by the same merit need to be asked the same question.

Fish had heart surgery, but managed to play a BO5 tournament. Not the best idea if coming back from such a procedure.

We are talking open fairness are we not? If by your suggestion that it is ok for Nadal to be considered and not Fish shows a bias

Did you watch the BBC 3 program last night?

I honestly think your knowledge on performance enhancers is below Murray's knowledge of winning slam finals!

Is that because I don't join the player bashing brigade you cruise on?

I'd love to hear a realistic explanation on Nadal's change of physique during the change from hardcourt to clay court!

A good answer to this would put my mind at rest.

Reminds me of Ben Johnson!

Right so from my actual knowledge of chemistry and biology and nutrition you are telling me that it is nigh on impossible for someone to gain weight in muscle mass in a 4 month period? Andy Murray gained 9lbs of muscle in 2 months! You do know that all 'supplements' are not banned right?

I am amazed that you put any physical change down to drugs. Stunning thinking!

BTW there was no libel.

CS did actually word her opinion as 'I am of the opinion'

So the site itself with that comment would not be held responsible as it is the view of the individual and not the site

reckoner wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:

reckoner wrote:

lydian wrote:£4.80?

You need to get yourself "oop" north reckoner!

Aye, I miss Edinburgh lydian! Was never short of reasonably priced tasty beer up there - though friends tell me times have changed - some sort of plague of style bars apparently.

Some of the prices down here make your eyes water. I remember a mate being charged £4.20 for Carling. Would've been much cheaper if he drunk his own urine!

That's ridiulous - £4.20 for a Carling! where was this? I need to add it to my blacklist...

Place called the Standard. Has the worst toilets I have ever known!

So you cannot give an explanation, instead you try and twist what i've wrote like a politician!

How does Nadal's fitness/stamina/aggression change so much from US hard courts to European claycourts?

Cause it takes more than diet!

Josiah Maiestas wrote:So you cannot give an explanation, instead you try and twist what i've wrote like a politician!

How does Nadal's fitness/stamina/aggression change so much from US hard courts to European claycourts?

Cause it takes more than diet!

Like to see how you are going to prove that one.

You do know Nadal passed a drug test in February this year.

i post there and i aint a wum but i do like winegums

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Josiah Maiestas wrote:So you cannot give an explanation, instead you try and twist what i've wrote like a politician!

How does Nadal's fitness/stamina/aggression change so much from US hard courts to European claycourts?

Cause it takes more than diet!

Like to see how you are going to prove that one.

You do know Nadal passed a drug test in February this year.

Ben Johnson would have passed his test at the Seoul Olympics until the whistle blower got greedy and wanted more money!

You are one of those who wants proof of doping, but I want proof that they aren't doping.

Enjoy your day!

Josiah Maiestas wrote:

legendkillarV2 wrote:

Josiah Maiestas wrote:So you cannot give an explanation, instead you try and twist what i've wrote like a politician!

How does Nadal's fitness/stamina/aggression change so much from US hard courts to European claycourts?

Cause it takes more than diet!

Like to see how you are going to prove that one.

You do know Nadal passed a drug test in February this year.

Ben Johnson would have passed his test at the Seoul Olympics until the whistle blower got greedy and wanted more money!

You are one of those who wants proof of doping, but I want proof that they aren't doping.

Enjoy your day!

How about the same day Rafa was tested Dimitar Kutrovsky was tested and he was found to have tested positive for methylhexaneamine.

I want proof your not doping. Infact I want proof that every single poster on this website is not doping to satisfy your needs.

LK, I will send you my urine sample. Check your post tomorrow for a rather soggy brown paper package.

I don't have any stamps, could I just go through the letterbox?

Wait... what counts as doping on this forum?

By all means.

I shall go urinate on the wall outside. If the sample crawls up the wall then yes I am dope cheat.

What if the sample only climbs up the wall during the clay season?

Then don't drink from Spanish water

reckoner wrote:What if the sample only climbs up the wall during the clay season?

Then don't drink it if you're planning to enter the Tour de France.

Hmm in that case I might pass! EPIC WIN!

JuliusHMarx wrote:

reckoner wrote:What if the sample only climbs up the wall during the clay season?

Then don't drink it if you're planning to enter the Tour de France.

Et tu Julius?

Huh! I take the time to write an article about politics, love, friendship, two multi slam winning all time greats and Ivan Ljubicic. This involved extensive research, meticulous links to a relevant source and original quotes. I then added my own interpretation of the data...

And the only mention of the actual article is from my good friend legendkillarV2 (cough). It then gets used as a springboard for the usual repetitive and boring ranting about everyones favourite player. Thanks a lot CommonSense...

In future I will be more succinct...