Sexism in the media against MEN

Ok so when the media comment females for their appearance eg Theresa May and Nicola Sturgeons legs, Theresa May's dress sense or MP tracy Babin who wore a shoulderless top to the House of Commons leading equal rights groups attack them and say that the media should not be commenting on appearance as this is sexist. However, when the media attack Donald Trump for his appearance (hair and skin colour) or Boris Johnson (hair) or Jeremy Corbyn ( dress sense) not one of these groups come out saying it is sexism etc.

Is there a double standard when it comes to DEFENDING people who the media attack over their appearance?

I'll bite.

The comments about Tracy Babin were sexist, that much was pretty clear. It was in no way equivalent to commenting about Donald Trump's application of fake tan via shotgun. They're two completely different things.

"Fake tan via shotgun"... Excellent.

Suppose the fact Meghan Markle takes more crap than Prince Andrew is to do with sexism against Men...

Suppose the fact the media want Keir Starmer to beat three Women is sexism is against Men..

Diane Abbott suffers the most abuse...Much of it racist in Parliament....Last I looked she wasn't male..

Jordan takes limitless crap about being a thick bimbo though anyone that makes 40m can't be that stupid...Rooney is hardly Einstein and seems to avoid it..

Not a great Hill to choose to die on...Sexism against Men in the media..

But we see what we want..

It's a valid point, to some extent. If it's wrong to comment on appearance etc for one group, it's wrong across the board. Suggesting it's worse if you're a woman may be true, but that's a poor reason to excuse it when aimed at a man. Get what you're saying, TRUSS, in that sexism against men isn't necessarily worth going into battle for, but hypocrisy isn't a good look either.

Re. Trump's tan - not sexist, but what does it have to do w/ what he's doing as POTUS? F.A. If (big 'if', I know) it had been a female POTUS who'd received that comment, it would have been jumped on.

Problem w/ all this woke commentary everywhere is that now I think many have had enough of having it shoved down their throats all the time. If those continually banging on about this sort of thing aren't careful, they'll be damaging the very causes they profess to fight for.

navyblueshorts wrote:It's a valid point, to some extent. If it's wrong to comment on appearance etc for one group, it's wrong across the board. Suggesting it's worse if you're a woman may be true, but that's a poor reason to excuse it when aimed at a man. Get what you're saying, TRUSS, in that sexism against men isn't necessarily worth going into battle for, but hypocrisy isn't a good look either.

Re. Trump's tan - not sexist, but what does it have to do w/ what he's doing as POTUS? F.A. If (big 'if', I know) it had been a female POTUS who'd received that comment, it would have been jumped on.

Problem w/ all this woke commentary everywhere is that now I think many have had enough of having it shoved down their throats all the time. If those continually banging on about this sort of thing aren't careful, they'll be damaging the very causes they profess to fight for.

Nothing. It's just really funny.

Pr4wn wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:It's a valid point, to some extent. If it's wrong to comment on appearance etc for one group, it's wrong across the board. Suggesting it's worse if you're a woman may be true, but that's a poor reason to excuse it when aimed at a man. Get what you're saying, TRUSS, in that sexism against men isn't necessarily worth going into battle for, but hypocrisy isn't a good look either.

Re. Trump's tan - not sexist, but what does it have to do w/ what he's doing as POTUS? F.A. If (big 'if', I know) it had been a female POTUS who'd received that comment, it would have been jumped on.

Problem w/ all this woke commentary everywhere is that now I think many have had enough of having it shoved down their throats all the time. If those continually banging on about this sort of thing aren't careful, they'll be damaging the very causes they profess to fight for.

Nothing. It's just really funny.

So it's also funny to comment about the looks of a women then or does it depend if you personally like them or not?

Pr4wn wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:It's a valid point, to some extent. If it's wrong to comment on appearance etc for one group, it's wrong across the board. Suggesting it's worse if you're a woman may be true, but that's a poor reason to excuse it when aimed at a man. Get what you're saying, TRUSS, in that sexism against men isn't necessarily worth going into battle for, but hypocrisy isn't a good look either.

Re. Trump's tan - not sexist, but what does it have to do w/ what he's doing as POTUS? F.A. If (big 'if', I know) it had been a female POTUS who'd received that comment, it would have been jumped on.

Problem w/ all this woke commentary everywhere is that now I think many have had enough of having it shoved down their throats all the time. If those continually banging on about this sort of thing aren't careful, they'll be damaging the very causes they profess to fight for.

Nothing. It's just really funny.

Fair point. I laughed, I have to admit.

Pr4wn wrote:I'll bite.

The comments about Tracy Babin were sexist, that much was pretty clear. It was in no way equivalent to commenting about Donald Trump's application of fake tan via shotgun. They're two completely different things.

Comments about her dress sense in parliament can be linked to comments about Corbyns dress sense in parliament where he was attacked by the media yet only the comments about her dress sense were deemed sexist...

Soul Requiem wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:It's a valid point, to some extent. If it's wrong to comment on appearance etc for one group, it's wrong across the board. Suggesting it's worse if you're a woman may be true, but that's a poor reason to excuse it when aimed at a man. Get what you're saying, TRUSS, in that sexism against men isn't necessarily worth going into battle for, but hypocrisy isn't a good look either.

Re. Trump's tan - not sexist, but what does it have to do w/ what he's doing as POTUS? F.A. If (big 'if', I know) it had been a female POTUS who'd received that comment, it would have been jumped on.

Problem w/ all this woke commentary everywhere is that now I think many have had enough of having it shoved down their throats all the time. If those continually banging on about this sort of thing aren't careful, they'll be damaging the very causes they profess to fight for.

Nothing. It's just really funny.

So it's also funny to comment about the looks of a women then or does it depend if you personally like them or not?

Calm down, snowflake. Make-up as clown-like as that is hilarious no matter who is wearing it.

Maybe it's funnier on him as it's even more strange that a man in his 70s is wearing that much fake tan. His vanity and sensitivity make it funnier still.

Muscular-mouse wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:I'll bite.

The comments about Tracy Babin were sexist, that much was pretty clear. It was in no way equivalent to commenting about Donald Trump's application of fake tan via shotgun. They're two completely different things.

Comments about her dress sense in parliament can be linked to comments about Corbyns dress sense in parliament where he was attacked by the media yet only the comments about her dress sense were deemed sexist...

I think a large part of this, which you are conveniently not mentioning, is the sexist abuse that Babin received in the wake of this storm in a teacup. Check out the abuse she received online, it's unacceptable and undoubtedly sexist. Corbyn didn't get that.

It's not just the standards of dress that should be compared, the reaction should be too.

Boris Johnson almost always looks though he's been dragged through a hedge backwards and people love him for it.

The three you've listed aren't really comparable. I think, possibly, the only one that is is the Corbyn criticism, because his look was used as a reason to suggest he couldn't be PM. It is probably worth noting what side of the press that came from when comparing it to sexism towards women too.

Pr4wn wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:It's a valid point, to some extent. If it's wrong to comment on appearance etc for one group, it's wrong across the board. Suggesting it's worse if you're a woman may be true, but that's a poor reason to excuse it when aimed at a man. Get what you're saying, TRUSS, in that sexism against men isn't necessarily worth going into battle for, but hypocrisy isn't a good look either.

Re. Trump's tan - not sexist, but what does it have to do w/ what he's doing as POTUS? F.A. If (big 'if', I know) it had been a female POTUS who'd received that comment, it would have been jumped on.

Problem w/ all this woke commentary everywhere is that now I think many have had enough of having it shoved down their throats all the time. If those continually banging on about this sort of thing aren't careful, they'll be damaging the very causes they profess to fight for.

Nothing. It's just really funny.

So it's also funny to comment about the looks of a women then or does it depend if you personally like them or not?

Calm down, snowflake. Make-up as clown-like as that is hilarious no matter who is wearing it.

Maybe it's funnier on him as it's even more strange that a man in his 70s is wearing that much fake tan. His vanity and sensitivity make it funnier still.

So I can mock Dianne Abbott for her appearance or Angela Rayner for her general mouthy demeanour then?

Pr4wn wrote:

Muscular-mouse wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:I'll bite.

The comments about Tracy Babin were sexist, that much was pretty clear. It was in no way equivalent to commenting about Donald Trump's application of fake tan via shotgun. They're two completely different things.

Comments about her dress sense in parliament can be linked to comments about Corbyns dress sense in parliament where he was attacked by the media yet only the comments about her dress sense were deemed sexist...

I think a large part of this, which you are conveniently not mentioning, is the sexist abuse that Babin received in the wake of this storm in a teacup. Check out the abuse she received online, it's unacceptable and undoubtedly sexist. Corbyn didn't get that.

It's not just the standards of dress that should be compared, the reaction should be too.

Boris Johnson almost always looks though he's been dragged through a hedge backwards and people love him for it.

Depends which side of the political fence you fall, his appearance is frequently used as a criticism of him

The criticism of Babin was pathetic and I found it quite humorous that a shoulder offended people so much and her response was brilliant.

Soul Requiem wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:

Muscular-mouse wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:I'll bite.

The comments about Tracy Babin were sexist, that much was pretty clear. It was in no way equivalent to commenting about Donald Trump's application of fake tan via shotgun. They're two completely different things.

Comments about her dress sense in parliament can be linked to comments about Corbyns dress sense in parliament where he was attacked by the media yet only the comments about her dress sense were deemed sexist...

I think a large part of this, which you are conveniently not mentioning, is the sexist abuse that Babin received in the wake of this storm in a teacup. Check out the abuse she received online, it's unacceptable and undoubtedly sexist. Corbyn didn't get that.

It's not just the standards of dress that should be compared, the reaction should be too.

Boris Johnson almost always looks though he's been dragged through a hedge backwards and people love him for it.

Depends which side of the political fence you fall, his appearance is frequently used as a criticism of him  

The criticism of Babin was pathetic and I found it quite humorous that a shoulder offended people so much and her response was brilliant.

Quite. I mean, it's not like there's anything more important to rant about, is there?

Soul Requiem wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:It's a valid point, to some extent. If it's wrong to comment on appearance etc for one group, it's wrong across the board. Suggesting it's worse if you're a woman may be true, but that's a poor reason to excuse it when aimed at a man. Get what you're saying, TRUSS, in that sexism against men isn't necessarily worth going into battle for, but hypocrisy isn't a good look either.

Re. Trump's tan - not sexist, but what does it have to do w/ what he's doing as POTUS? F.A. If (big 'if', I know) it had been a female POTUS who'd received that comment, it would have been jumped on.

Problem w/ all this woke commentary everywhere is that now I think many have had enough of having it shoved down their throats all the time. If those continually banging on about this sort of thing aren't careful, they'll be damaging the very causes they profess to fight for.

Nothing. It's just really funny.

So it's also funny to comment about the looks of a women then or does it depend if you personally like them or not?

Calm down, snowflake. Make-up as clown-like as that is hilarious no matter who is wearing it.

Maybe it's funnier on him as it's even more strange that a man in his 70s is wearing that much fake tan. His vanity and sensitivity make it funnier still.

So I can mock Dianne Abbott for her appearance or Angela Rayner for her general mouthy demeanour then?

What? Who said you couldn't?

If you don't think there's something funny about a man in his 70's wearing that much fake tan and being too proud to admit it then I worry for you.

I can't say I'm sad enough to really be interested one way or another. I'm touched that you worry though, means a lot.

What?! You're the one that's asking the questions!

Moving on from this rather odd exchange, the language aimed at people like Rayner, Yvette Cooper and Abbott is often sexist; that is the difference. Criticising someone's appearance is one thing, but with these women it's often backed up by vile, misogynistic language online. I think that's the issue.

Pr4wn wrote:What?! You're the one that's asking the questions!

Moving on from this rather odd exchange, the language aimed at people like Rayner, Yvette Cooper and Abbott is often sexist; that is the difference. Criticising someone's appearance is one thing, but with these women it's often backed up by vile, misogynistic language online. I think that's the issue.

So your comment wasn't ageist then?

No, clearly not.

Honestly, some people are just always looking for an argument for the sake of it.

You don't think he looks funny? At all?!

Pr4wn wrote:No, clearly not.

Honestly, some people are just always looking for an argument for the sake of it.

You don't think he looks funny? At all?!

Clearly not yet you felt the need to mention his age

I don't really care what Donald Trump looks like.

God, it's often painful watching grown men strangle themselves in social media trying to avoid sexism.

Just release all that heart-stress tension.  Just be sexist.  It's genetic and it'll take pressure off the NHS.

So, if Trump is fair game on looks - I put it out there for consideration, is pompous windbag Emily Thornberry the closest we have to a female Trump?  Those puckering lips, that always present half smirk of smugness, those little folded in eyes of contempt, that haughty air......

She's a dead ringer.  All she needs is the shotgun and the tan.

Soul Requiem wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:No, clearly not.

Honestly, some people are just always looking for an argument for the sake of it.

You don't think he looks funny? At all?!

Clearly not yet you felt the need to mention his age

I don't really care what Donald Trump looks like.

Yes. His age makes it more funny. You don't think he looks funny? What's wrong with you?!

I have no opinion one way or another, I do find your unrelenting hypocrisy funny though.

Then you, chum, are an outlier.

Oh no I think for myself and don't follow the herd, how very shocking. I'm so glad you've pointed that out to as I never knew.

Soul Requiem wrote:Oh no I think for myself and don't follow the herd, how very shocking. I'm so glad you've pointed that out to as I never knew.

Quality.

Pr4wn wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:Oh no I think for myself and don't follow the herd, how very shocking. I'm so glad you've pointed that out to as I never knew.

Quality.

Typical Pr4wn can't accept a difference of opinion so tries deflecting.

Ha! There's no difference in opinion, as such. I just find that he looks funny. Because he does look funny.

If you think that I'm sexist, or ageist or whatever because of it then that's a shame, I suppose. I didn't use any sexist or ageist language at all, so it's on you. All your prejudgment.

Now comes the desperation to claw back any credibility it thinks it has.

You don't want to engage the point? Please explain how I'm a hypocrite.

Because right now, it just seems as though you're trolling.

The hypocrisy is simple, you mention Trumps age as a reason why his appearance is funny therefore quite blatantly ageist, you'll squirm about making excuses but you're ageist plain and simple. Your defence in your own mind is that because it's Donald Trump and he's a loathsome character means it's ok. That's your own prerogative but don't then use your distorted moral compass to bemoan sexism, either it's all fair game or none of it is.

I personally don't care how anyone dresses or looks so ask yourself who actually has the problem, in case you can't work it out... ITS YOU.

Wow, a ton of assumptions in there. Not really sure where to begin.

I'll say it again. I didn't use any sexist or ageist language at all. I also stated, again multiple times, that the funniest part about it is his vanity and sensitivity when confronted about it. He denies he wears it, for goodness sake. If you think that me mentioning his age is ageist, then that's on you.

I never said anything about his being loathsome and that justifying it, you just made that up.

This whole thread is supposed to be about sexism again men in the media. You're not engaging with that at all, rather you're blindly throwing out accusations at other posters.

As an aside, I find it very amusing when conservatives (I'm assuming you're a conservative, but I'm sure you'll say you have no political position) try their hardest to point out perceived hypocrisies in order to deflect from the subject matter. This is a case in point. Trump is on the record as being a racist and a sexist. Where's your outrage at him? Of course there is none, or at least you won't talk about it.

But a poster that you don't know at all mentions a man's age while talking about something and you're all up-in-arms, poor written English and all.

Anyway, to get beyond all that and back to the thread title - yes, there is sexism in the media against men.  Oodles of the stuff.

So to test it out I now want to see Johnson turn up for Prime Minister's Question Time in a well aged Onslow String Vest.  And let's check out who is and who isn't 'offended'.

You can say it all you want Pr4wn but your ageism is clear to see. Sorry to burst your bubble but you don't make the rules.

As for bringing up my political views which lie somewhere between Thatcherism and Blairism it just shows how you wish to debate the debater rather than the point at hand something you do all the time.

You two want to just Frak and get it over with already?

I’m pretty sure he’d be a selfish lover. He can give and give and give, but he struggles to take it

Harsh evaluation of Pr4 there. He's just a little quick on the trigger finger is all. Premature bulleting.

Requiem is a Thatch/Blairite apparently..Pr4wn would have to get in bed with a WMD for 45 minutes followed by a handbag..

I'm not going anywhere near that bed until it's been privatised.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Requiem is a Thatch/Blairite apparently..Pr4wn would have to get in bed with a WMD for 45 minutes followed by a handbag..

I'm told that in his dedicated dungeon that's mild paraphernalia indeed.

So from this thread I have gathered that sexism against men is somehow justified. when a woman is attacked in the media because she uses fake tan/make-up, or shes having fake hair, or attacked for her dress sense its deemed sexist but when the same attacks happen to a man it is somehow justified (as demonstrated on this thread).

Some people have too much time on their hands...

alfie wrote:Some people have too much time on their hands...

More unapologetic ageism!!!!!

Muscular-mouse wrote:So from this thread I have gathered that sexism against men is somehow justified. when a woman is attacked in the media because she uses fake tan/make-up, or shes having fake hair, or attacked for her dress sense its deemed sexist but when the same attacks happen to a man it is somehow justified (as demonstrated on this thread).

I think it’s a long time since you learned anything

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:

Muscular-mouse wrote:So from this thread I have gathered that sexism against men is somehow justified. when a woman is attacked in the media because she uses fake tan/make-up, or shes having fake hair, or attacked for her dress sense its deemed sexist but when the same attacks happen to a man it is somehow justified (as demonstrated on this thread).

I think it’s a long time since you learned anything

But I am right though. The attacks by the media on men regarding their appearance was justified by some on this thread. Those same attacks by the media on women were seen as sexist by those same people on this thread...