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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu 12 Jul 2018, 3:13 pm

First topic message reminder :

And we start off with news Conte has been sacked by Chelsea, with Sarri and Jorginho's arrivals imminent
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Post by Atila Sun 09 Dec 2018, 6:17 pm

I've read a few articles saying that Pochettino is being lined up to replace Mourinho at United.

Guardiola and Klopp would never get offered the job as they manage bitter rivals of United's and another name I hear mentioned, Eddie Howe for me, doesn't have the experience of a big club and probably wouldn't do much better than David Moyes. Moyes after all, did just as good a job with Everton as Howe as done with Bournemouth.

Of the managers in the Prem, Pochettino might be the best choice.


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Post by GSC Sun 09 Dec 2018, 8:53 pm

Guardiola or Klopp actually wanting the job is probably a bigger factor
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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Sun 09 Dec 2018, 10:54 pm

Klopp isn't good enough to manage a club like Manchester United, lets not forget Klopp is a serial loser/choker. Heck serial winners like van Gaal and Mourinho have struggled at United.

Klopp fits Liverpool as they've been irrelevant for close to 30 years, aside from a fluke CL win many years ago.

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Post by Atila Sun 09 Dec 2018, 10:54 pm

GSC wrote:Guardiola or Klopp actually wanting the job is probably a bigger factor
Sure, I'm not in anyway trying to imply that either of them would want the job. Just pointing out that neither of them are ever likely to be offered the job now for the reason I gave.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Sun 09 Dec 2018, 11:06 pm

Howe would be the one from well-known names. Coaches players to be better, attacks, a little bit nasty without it being on the surface.

Don’t think United have got the balls to think of what coach will do what they need. It’ll be about names

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Post by Atila Sat 15 Dec 2018, 8:08 pm

Pochettino so far doing an excellent job with the Spurs.

Before every season starts, there is always some ex-player on TV talking about how teams need to spend and buy this player, but that player etc. Spurs didn't buy anyone pre-season and they're winning games, and playing decent to watch football.

I would definitely prefer Pochettino at United to Zidane.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Sun 16 Dec 2018, 4:36 pm

Liverpool's much overrated Allison with a horrific error. 1-1 lingard equals Mane's earlier strike.

Brazilian keepers aren't worth the time of day

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Sun 16 Dec 2018, 5:33 pm

A fluke goal by Shaqiri gives a mediocre Liverpool undeserved lead. Liverpool literally reliant on pure fluke. There’s no talent

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Sun 16 Dec 2018, 5:40 pm

Another fluke goal by Shaqiri it’s incredible how much luck a loser like Klopp is getting

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Sun 16 Dec 2018, 9:22 pm

You’re genuinely insane

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Post by Riggs Sun 16 Dec 2018, 10:49 pm

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Another fluke goal by Shaqiri it’s incredible how much luck a loser like Klopp is getting

Mane's goal was a good one but Shaqiri got lucky twice.

Deflections are handy, if not lucky, for the striker and unlucky, if not unfortunate, for the opposing team.

I doubt Shaqiri will get to continue with such luck as things can change, such is football.

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Post by compelling and rich Mon 17 Dec 2018, 9:21 am

well if you retreat to the edge of your own area all game letting Liverpool have 36? pot shots at goal eventually one or two will deflect in. another spineless display from us. literally just waiting on us to be mathematically out of top four running then mourinho will be sacked. similar happened with moyes, he had a clause in his contract that we didn't have to pay full contract out if we didn't make top 4. wouldn't be surprised if mourinho has the same

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon 17 Dec 2018, 1:55 pm

Riggs wrote:
Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Another fluke goal by Shaqiri it’s incredible how much luck a loser like Klopp is getting

Mane's goal was a good one but Shaqiri got lucky twice.

Deflections are handy, if not lucky, for the striker and unlucky, if not unfortunate, for the opposing team.

I doubt Shaqiri will get to continue with such luck as things can change, such is football.
Do you really think it was lucky? There's no misfortune in doing backs to the wall defending for that long and not being able to block the goal for all of those shots.

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Post by Duty281 Mon 17 Dec 2018, 2:05 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Riggs wrote:
Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Another fluke goal by Shaqiri it’s incredible how much luck a loser like Klopp is getting

Mane's goal was a good one but Shaqiri got lucky twice.

Deflections are handy, if not lucky, for the striker and unlucky, if not unfortunate, for the opposing team.

I doubt Shaqiri will get to continue with such luck as things can change, such is football.
Do you really think it was lucky? There's no misfortune in doing backs to the wall defending for that long and not being able to block the goal for all of those shots.

The xG was probably off the charts.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon 17 Dec 2018, 2:49 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Riggs wrote:
Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Another fluke goal by Shaqiri it’s incredible how much luck a loser like Klopp is getting

Mane's goal was a good one but Shaqiri got lucky twice.

Deflections are handy, if not lucky, for the striker and unlucky, if not unfortunate, for the opposing team.

I doubt Shaqiri will get to continue with such luck as things can change, such is football.
Do you really think it was lucky? There's no misfortune in doing backs to the wall defending for that long and not being able to block the goal for all of those shots.

The xG was probably off the charts.
It was, but we know you don't like experts  Whistle

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Post by Duty281 Mon 17 Dec 2018, 4:01 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Riggs wrote:
Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Another fluke goal by Shaqiri it’s incredible how much luck a loser like Klopp is getting

Mane's goal was a good one but Shaqiri got lucky twice.

Deflections are handy, if not lucky, for the striker and unlucky, if not unfortunate, for the opposing team.

I doubt Shaqiri will get to continue with such luck as things can change, such is football.
Do you really think it was lucky? There's no misfortune in doing backs to the wall defending for that long and not being able to block the goal for all of those shots.

The xG was probably off the charts.
It was, but we know you don't like experts  Whistle

Bloody love 'em. xG. WinViz. Lawro's predictions. S'all good.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon 17 Dec 2018, 5:19 pm

Lawro and xG are awfully level comparisons  Very Happy

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Post by dancingweeman Tue 18 Dec 2018, 9:55 am

In some very unsurprising news... Mourinhos gone.

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Post by Guest Tue 18 Dec 2018, 10:23 am

Probably glad he’s been put out of his misery. Shambles of a club from top, to bottom. United need a complete overhaul and restructuring.

Carrick becomes interim manager. I’d imagine it’s either Pochettino, or Zidane.

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Post by gazzyD Tue 18 Dec 2018, 10:24 am

gazzyD wrote:reporter: do you think you can win the league title with this group of players

Jose: I choose not to answer that question

Gone by Christmas this bloke

Wish I'd put money on it back in July

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Post by GSC Tue 18 Dec 2018, 10:30 am

Potch would be mad to take it. Mourinho didn't help matters in the slightest but United need to take a long look at the whole setup. Whole club is tainted by underperformance
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Post by Riggs Tue 18 Dec 2018, 12:18 pm

dancingweeman wrote:In some very unsurprising news... Mourinhos gone.

I am both surprised and unsurprised.

I had hoped he'd work miracles but also my head said "careful now, he isn't the special one all the time."

It's amazing to see him go from hero, for some, to zero.

Who'll have him next??

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Post by Duty281 Tue 18 Dec 2018, 12:27 pm

Inevitable, really. Laurent Blanc the very short-priced favourite with the bookmakers, followed by Ole Gunnar and Zidane. Personally, I'm going to stick a tenner on Wenger at 25/1.

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Post by Riggs Tue 18 Dec 2018, 12:32 pm

Duty281 wrote:Inevitable, really. Laurent Blanc the very short-priced favourite with the bookmakers, followed by Ole Gunnar and Zidane. Personally, I'm going to stick a tenner on Wenger at 25/1.

Our Ole? I'll have him any day.

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Post by gazzyD Tue 18 Dec 2018, 12:35 pm

Riggs wrote:
dancingweeman wrote:In some very unsurprising news... Mourinhos gone.

I am both surprised and unsurprised.

I had hoped he'd work miracles but also my head said "careful now, he isn't the special one all the time."

It's amazing to see him go from hero, for some, to zero.

Who'll have him next??

He'll be Madrid manager soon enough again

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue 18 Dec 2018, 1:01 pm

Blanc in the interim, aim for Poch at the end of the season? Should give them time to hunt for a real coach and probably a director of football (hopefully first).

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Post by Lowlandbrit Tue 18 Dec 2018, 1:10 pm

Riggs wrote:Who'll have him next??
I feel like he'd actually be better off somewhere with a more limited budget, but I don't know if he'd be interested in that. Somewhere with a young talented squad he can take to the next step.
Now I think about it, Pochettino and Mourinho swapping jobs could be an incredible twist ending.

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Post by Fernando Tue 18 Dec 2018, 1:54 pm

Wolves when they get fed up of Nuno is my bet

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Post by Riggs Tue 18 Dec 2018, 1:58 pm

Gary Neville gives an interesting description of Pochettino.

Daniel Levy will probably put up the price for him from £34 million to £100 mill, considering the possibility that Utd could come calling.

Then there's this https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/12/18/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-frame-become-manchester-united-caretaker/

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Post by GSC Tue 18 Dec 2018, 4:33 pm

Wait the Mourinho sacking has been telegraphed for months and the best backup plan is Solskjaer?
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Post by Fernando Tue 18 Dec 2018, 4:47 pm

Correct it's a shambles of a club

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Post by Duty281 Tue 18 Dec 2018, 5:26 pm

Riggs wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Inevitable, really. Laurent Blanc the very short-priced favourite with the bookmakers, followed by Ole Gunnar and Zidane. Personally, I'm going to stick a tenner on Wenger at 25/1.

Our Ole? I'll have him any day.

Ole is now the odds-on favourite, with Blanc a long way off.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue 18 Dec 2018, 7:17 pm

GSC wrote:Wait the Mourinho sacking has been telegraphed for months and the best backup plan is Solskjaer?

I think that they’ve gone straight in to say caretaker suggests their plan is waiting for someone in the summer.

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Post by compelling and rich Tue 18 Dec 2018, 7:43 pm

presumably the idea is to sort out the infrastructure at the club over the next 6 months before hiring a new manager. me personally would prefer a new manager in now. give him time to have a proper look at the players without much pressure this season. then we can have a clear out of the players he doesn't want in the summer

at the moment im just glad for no more mourinho, thought we were stuck with him till the end of the season at least

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Post by Atila Tue 18 Dec 2018, 8:22 pm

Duty281 wrote:Inevitable, really. Laurent Blanc the very short-priced favourite with the bookmakers, followed by Ole Gunnar and Zidane. Personally, I'm going to stick a tenner on Wenger at 25/1.
Brendan Rodgers has been quoted at 33-1, which to me, is odd. A former Liverpool manager taking over United would be extremely funny and a bit weird.

I have to admit, I'd never thought of Solskjaer as a United manager even it is just till the end of the season. Giggs must be sorry that he took so long to get into management, if he'd got a job earlier he'd be in with a shout.

Still think that Pochettino would be a good fit.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs Tue 18 Dec 2018, 8:25 pm

Mourinho will be fine, rumoured £26m pay off and probably end up back at Real Madrid.

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Post by Atila Tue 18 Dec 2018, 9:29 pm

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Mourinho will be fine, rumoured £26m pay off and probably end up back at Real Madrid.
Yeah, if my boss fired me and gave me a pay off of £26 million, I don't think I'd be complaining.

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Post by GSC Tue 18 Dec 2018, 9:39 pm

Don't think a return to Real really makes much sense for anyone.

Might be better taking a break then going for a secondary tier side with money.
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Post by GSC Tue 18 Dec 2018, 9:40 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
GSC wrote:Wait the Mourinho sacking has been telegraphed for months and the best backup plan is Solskjaer?

I think that they’ve gone straight in to say caretaker suggests their plan is waiting for someone in the summer.

I get that but it really does feel like this was all rushed
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Post by Guest Tue 18 Dec 2018, 9:48 pm

The only destination which sticks out, as being his next destination, would be, PSG. Constantly linked, and once Tuchel fails to deliver the CL, the Qatari’s will once again be pulling the trigger.

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Post by westisbest Tue 18 Dec 2018, 9:49 pm

Is Steve Bruce on the list Whistle

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Post by Atila Tue 18 Dec 2018, 9:52 pm

westisbest wrote:Is Steve Bruce on the list Whistle
I know you're making a joke, but it's a shame that none of the former United players that have gone into management have been a real success. Only Roy Keane by winning the Championship with Sunderland has won anything in England.

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Post by westisbest Tue 18 Dec 2018, 10:05 pm

Especially when they have worked under Ferguson.

Bruce was a bit of tongue in cheek.
I do like Bruce, as a Villa fan was disappointed with him this season.




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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Wed 19 Dec 2018, 12:35 am

Jose and Inter would be no surprise. They adore him, they’ve got new money, they’re in a similar position to the type he achieves in (not the best team in the league and with a point to prove) and would welcome him back whilst caring less about style.

I enjoy the decision Man united have made, especially as their number one choice is clearly unavailable. They might feel a fresh manager in the summer leaves this season behind, too. I like Solskjaer, I think he’ll bring positivity and pride, and I think this team needs man-management in the short-term rather than a big tactical shift. If the fans are gonna accept a free-hit for the next few months, he’d be the guy they’d accept.

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Post by Atila Wed 19 Dec 2018, 12:51 am

The good thing about appointing someone like Solskjaer is that he might not be too proud to ask Fergie for advice now and again, I don't think that either Van Gaal or Mourinho would have done that. I've read that Phelan might be coming back too, to work with Solskjaer.

I too think the fans will accept Solskjaer, I'm looking forward to him taking over already. I'm not expecting too much though in regards to their league table standing this season, but Mourinho's negative cloud has already lifted.

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Post by sirfredperry Wed 19 Dec 2018, 8:54 am

It could be argued that Mourinho has been an excellent coach but not much good at managing, as in "managing" players.
His overall record has been very good - league titles, cup triumphs. But his actual man management (Hazard, Pogba, Shaw, Rashford) has been, arguably, woeful.
Take Pogba. This is a player with the ability to be among the best in the world. Mourinho has got next to nothing out of him. Now some of this may be down to the player, but it's the manager's job to get guys like Pogba to perform.
I expect Manchester United to go on a good run now. Spurs fans will be hoping that Poch stays where he is.

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Post by Atila Wed 19 Dec 2018, 8:58 am

I'm not sure that they will go on a good run (I hope they do) but at least the football should be better to watch.

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Post by Riggs Wed 19 Dec 2018, 11:12 am

Absolutely fantastic news https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-appointed-caretaker-manager

Ole is my fave and I really do hold high hopes for him.

He is respected by so many so that should help.

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Post by compelling and rich Wed 19 Dec 2018, 5:28 pm

Atila wrote:I'm not sure that they will go on a good run (I hope they do) but at least the football should be better to watch.

next few fixtures are very kind, clever timing in that aspect. go 4 on the bounce and all the negativity surrounding mourinho and our season so far will be gone

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu 20 Dec 2018, 9:06 am

Is this the first ever manager "loan"?
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