6 NATIONS 2018 - England v Wales build up/Match/Autopsy Thread - 12-6

[TightHEAD]

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England v Wales (The Big One) ITV 16:45pm


So much rests on this game. Wales look strong, England did enough in Rome to look comfortable.

Really hard to see how this wil play out.

Discuss.

Ref - Jérôme Garcès (France)

Head to head - Played - 130 Eng 61 - Wales 57 - Drawn 12




England Team

15 Mike Brown (Harlequins 65 caps) 14 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby 29 caps) 13 Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby 36 caps) 12 Owen Farrell (Saracens 54 caps) 11 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers 30 caps)
10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers 41 caps) 9 Danny Care (Harlequins 77 caps)

1 Mako Vunipola (Saracens 45 caps) 2 Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints 90 caps) 3 Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers 78 caps)
4 Joe Launchbury (Wasps 48 caps) 5 Maro Itoje (Saracens 15 caps) 6 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints 62 caps) 7 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins 60 caps) 8 Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs 4 caps)

Replacements
16 Jamie George (Saracens 21 caps) 17 Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs 1 cap) 18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs 6 caps) 19 George Kruis (Saracens 22 caps)  20 Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby 4 caps) 21 Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens 27 caps) 22 Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors 9 caps) 23 Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs 24 caps)




Wales team
Leigh Halfpenny (Scarlets); Josh Adams (Worcester), Scott Williams (Scarlets), Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets), Steff Evans (Scarlets); Rhys Patchell (Scarlets), Gareth Davies (Scarlets); Rob Evans (Scarlets), Ken Owens (Scarlets), Samson Lee (Scarlets), Cory Hill (Dragons), Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys capt), Aaron Shingler (Scarlets), Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues), Ross Moriarty (Gloucester).

Replacements: Elliot Dee (Dragons), Wyn Jones (Scarlets), Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs), Bradley Davies (Ospreys), Justin Tipuric (Ospreys), Aled Davies (Scarlets), Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues), George North (Northampton).


NO TRY - https://mobile.twitter.com/mattyjwills/status/962615635321737217/video/1

[lostinwales]

Wales have made 82 tackles so far - to 32

[mid_gen]

Controlling the game well so far, would be nice if Ford stopped kicking the ball away though....

[RDW]

No surprise to see refs forgetting about the thing they're meant to be focusing on this 6N - scrum feeding in both games have been just as squint as last week and none penalised.

[Geordie]

Wales have made 82 tackles so far - to 32

That's a lot of effort...fitness will be tested..

It also means England are not using the possession they have effectively.

[eirebilly]

What a surprise, a fight and Mike Brown is in the middle of it. He is a cranky little man.

Very poor from Farrell in that, that is the bad side to his game.

[Duty281]

No surprise to see refs forgetting about the thing they're meant to be focusing on this 6N - scrum feeding in both games have been just as squint as last week and none penalised.  

Yep, forgotten after week one.

Soooo predictable.

[lostinwales]

Still don't get that penalty. Ball is out Farrell goes for it then ref blows...

[RDW]

No surprise to see refs forgetting about the thing they're meant to be focusing on this 6N - scrum feeding in both games have been just as squint as last week and none penalised.  

Yep, forgotten after week one.

Soooo predictable.

From memory last season it was high tackles - last year first round anything above the nipple was penalised, then went back to normal straight after.

[Geordie]

What a surprise, a fight and Mike Brown is in the middle of it. He is a cranky little man.

Very poor from Farrell in that, that is the bad side to his game.

This time I disagree with you...Farrell did nothing wrong...and he got surrounded. Is Brown not allowed to help his teammate?

[eirebilly]

Still don't get that penalty. Ball is out Farrell goes for it then ref blows...

I may be wrong but I think it has something to do with how Farrell went for the ball. The Wales 9 was picking the ball up and Farrell was stamping down with his foot on his hand.

[Heaf]

Still don't get that penalty. Ball is out Farrell goes for it then ref blows...

Puzzled about that too - if the ball was out what was the pen for?

[nathan]

cowpat Billy, farell nor brown did nothing wrong. That was started by the Welsh 9

[Geordie]

The ref told Farrell to go for the ball...

[eirebilly]

What a surprise, a fight and Mike Brown is in the middle of it. He is a cranky little man.

Very poor from Farrell in that, that is the bad side to his game.

This time I disagree with you...Farrell did nothing wrong...and he got surrounded. Is Brown not allowed to help his teammate?

I think his original attempt for the ball (stamping) was a little naughty. What I find poor was that England were under a warning for penalties and he has a little dig at the Welsh player on the ground right in front of the ref. Sometimes I think he needs to keep his cool better.

[Geordie]

Brown has been back to his best on the high ball

[nathan]

How Frak offside were Wales then

[nathan]

A little dig, have you not seen moriaty attempts at tackling

[Scottrf]

It wasn't a dig. He was competing. Farrell has been fantastic this half. Ford as much as I bigged him up last week has been poor.

[lostinwales]

And that could have been a penalty to England at the break. Wales diving over the ball to stop Robshaw competing when he was on his feet.

He's been everywhere.

[Scottrf]

Yeah Robshaw had a top half. Along with Cole, Launch, Farrell.

[TightHEAD]

The penalty before the scuffle was a joke. The ball was out and Farrell fell over.

[TightHEAD]

England should be further in front at the break. Wales don’t back their 3rd choice kicker.

[Exiledinborders]

What a surprise, a fight and Mike Brown is in the middle of it. He is a cranky little man.

Very poor from Farrell in that, that is the bad side to his game.

This time I disagree with you...Farrell did nothing wrong...and he got surrounded. Is Brown not allowed to help his teammate?

I think his original attempt for the ball (stamping) was a little naughty. What I find poor was that England were under a warning for penalties and he has a little dig at the Welsh player on the ground right in front of the ref. Sometimes I think he needs to keep his cool better.

He did not stamp. He went to kick the ball which the ref had said was out of the ruck.

[RiscaGame]

Watson's hands were there at the same time.

Very borderline

Behave yourself. The only thing possibly borderline is the grounding, but it should’ve been a try. That said, wales don’t deserve to be two behind.

[majesticimperialman]

It is as good a game in the first half as i thought it would be.

Wale are missing half penny that is for sure.

Let.s hope the second half is just as good.

[eirebilly]

Just watching the replay of England's first try, that is some serious vision from Farrell.

[catchweight]

The officials have been poor in ths game

[exile jack]

The ghost of Rob 'kick it to their back 3' Howley hovering over the boys at Twickenham.At 9 Gareth Davies is having a mare.

[eirebilly]

What a surprise, a fight and Mike Brown is in the middle of it. He is a cranky little man.

Very poor from Farrell in that, that is the bad side to his game.

This time I disagree with you...Farrell did nothing wrong...and he got surrounded. Is Brown not allowed to help his teammate?

I think his original attempt for the ball (stamping) was a little naughty. What I find poor was that England were under a warning for penalties and he has a little dig at the Welsh player on the ground right in front of the ref. Sometimes I think he needs to keep his cool better.

He did not stamp. He went to kick the ball which the ref had said was out of the ruck.

Just looked like a stamp to me to me on the Welsh players hand as he was trying to pick it up. The ball was out and that is the only offence I could see that would have led to a penalty.

[Cumbrian]

Good hard game. Reckon we could pull away if we get the next score. Wales should probably have had a try, but the ref has completely ignored Wales going off their feet at the ruck on a couple of occasions, so it is all swings and roundabouts. I mean, England have only had one penalty when Wales could have easily be penalised on a number of other occasions.

[Duty281]

Welsh kicking - dreadful 

But England will be concerned they haven’t put the game beyond doubt.

[TightHEAD]

Wales are off their feet every breakdown hands on the floor etc etc when will Hartley get in the Refs face like AWJ and make some noise?

[Cumbrian]

Always a concern whilst the opposition are still in it, conditions aren't the best. Wonder if Wales will regret turning down the kicks at goal when they were on offer.

[Exiledinborders]

What a surprise, a fight and Mike Brown is in the middle of it. He is a cranky little man.

Very poor from Farrell in that, that is the bad side to his game.

This time I disagree with you...Farrell did nothing wrong...and he got surrounded. Is Brown not allowed to help his teammate?

I think his original attempt for the ball (stamping) was a little naughty. What I find poor was that England were under a warning for penalties and he has a little dig at the Welsh player on the ground right in front of the ref. Sometimes I think he needs to keep his cool better.

He did not stamp. He went to kick the ball which the ref had said was out of the ruck.

Just looked like a stamp to me to me on the Welsh players hand as he was trying to pick it up. The ball was out and that is the only offence I could see that would have led to a penalty.

The ref said it was for "playing the nine". If the ref thought it was a stamp that would be a card and probably a red one.

[Scottrf]

Wales are off their feet every breakdown hands on the floor etc etc when will Hartley get in the Refs face like AWJ and make some noise?

That's every game of rugby.

[mid_gen]

Always a concern whilst the opposition are still in it, conditions aren't the best.  Wonder if Wales will regret turning down the kicks at goal when they were on offer.

Amazed they didn't put away that gimme in the first minute...

Underhill on already?

[lostinwales]

Simmons off. Hmmm

Robshaw to 8 I guess

[Scottrf]

What a surprise, a fight and Mike Brown is in the middle of it. He is a cranky little man.

Very poor from Farrell in that, that is the bad side to his game.

This time I disagree with you...Farrell did nothing wrong...and he got surrounded. Is Brown not allowed to help his teammate?

I think his original attempt for the ball (stamping) was a little naughty. What I find poor was that England were under a warning for penalties and he has a little dig at the Welsh player on the ground right in front of the ref. Sometimes I think he needs to keep his cool better.

He did not stamp. He went to kick the ball which the ref had said was out of the ruck.

Just looked like a stamp to me to me on the Welsh players hand as he was trying to pick it up. The ball was out and that is the only offence I could see that would have led to a penalty.

The ref said it was for "playing the nine". If the ref thought it was a stamp that would be a card and probably a red one.

It's not playing the 9 if the ball is out.

[eirebilly]

Just looked like a stamp to me to me on the Welsh players hand as he was trying to pick it up. The ball was out and that is the only offence I could see that would have led to a penalty.

The ref said it was for "playing the nine". If the ref thought it was a stamp that would be a card and probably a red one.

I think that the 'playing the 9' call may have been just situation which I described, just lost in translation somewhat? Otherwise then it was a very incorrect call as he had called the ball out.

[Scottrf]

Just looked like a stamp to me to me on the Welsh players hand as he was trying to pick it up. The ball was out and that is the only offence I could see that would have led to a penalty.

The ref said it was for "playing the nine". If the ref thought it was a stamp that would be a card and probably a red one.

I think that the 'playing the 9 call may have been just situation which I described, just lost in translation somewhat? Otherwise then it was a very incorrect call as he had called the ball out.

Yeah it was a bad decision.

[nathan]

This ref is giving Wales a leg up in this game

[mid_gen]

This ref is giving Wales a leg up in this game

Nonsense penalty....he's been letting players end up the wrong side all game and play on as long as the ball is available.

[eirebilly]

Some pace from Shingler there. Not sure the kick ahead was the right option though.

[stub]

Only 9 points in it - could all turn very quickly. Hoping England keep their concentration levels up.

[nathan]

Where's the advantage to England there?

[mid_gen]

Breakdown is being refereed by a coin toss, compeletely random.

[nathan]

Why is he giving no pens to England for Wales holding on but does the other way around?

[catchweight]

The officials have ruined this game. Its like Garces has invented his own rules for rugby. The breakdown has been officiated terribly and wales were denied a pretty clear try.

[stub]

Don’t like this ref either..

[stub]

Agree, Wales did score that try.

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