Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[pedro]

First topic message reminder :

Corbyn I guess.

[MontysMerkin]

Interesting article in the Guardian about how authorities no longer have the funds to fight appeals about their planning judgments. Means that developers are getting away with almost criminal negligence in their responsibilities.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/architecture-design-blog/2017/jun/13/an-embarrassment-to-the-city-what-went-wrong-with-the-725m-gateway-to-cambridge

[navyblueshorts]

Whatever the cause, it would appear that the building has been poorly designed and that safety measures either weren't employed or installed or simply didn't work.

True.

Even 50 years ago, this sort of effect shouldn't be possible in a building like this.

You're kidding, right? 50 years ago, this was easily possible.

[navyblueshorts]

Even if a fridge blew up, any fire should still be isolated and contained; almost looks like something acted as an accelerant.
Incredible how anything could go from a refrigerator (certainly not saying that started it) fire to a towering inferno in minutes, must have been something highly flammable to cause it to spread so rapidly.

Nah, not necessarily. Furniture, curtains, carpet, you name it. The initial flat, whatever caused it, could have gone from room temp to 600°C and flashover in 2-3 mins, depending on what was burning.

But aren't these flats designed to be self-contained? They'd just been redone and you'd think to 21st century fire standards, otherwise what's the point?! Sounds like smoke alarms and, presumably, CO2 detectors weren't functioning properly either.

Dunno. They'd be 're-done', but to what actual level? I suspect there'll be some pressing questions asked along those lines.

Whatever the cause, pretty horrible.

[kwinigolfer]

Another shooting in the US...

10 a penny in a backward country like the USA Monty.

And another one in San Francisco, reportedly in a UPS warehouse.
Of course, nothing whatsoever to do with proliferation of, and encouragement for, gun ownership.

[super_realist]

Tim Farron quits as Lib Dem Leader because of his "faith". Sounds like a get out clause for being a loser.

"To be a leader, particularly of a progressive liberal party in 2017 and to live as a committed Christian and to hold faithful to the Bible's teaching has felt impossible for me.

He doesn't live by the bible, no one does and no one could possibly want to. What a pen1s shelf. Basically calling himself a bigot and not progressive either, which at least is one honest bit.

[McLaren]

Wow, he really did hate the gays. What a pr!ck.

[navyblueshorts]

Tim Farron quits as Lib Dem Leader because of his "faith". Sounds like a get out clause for being a loser.

"To be a leader, particularly of a progressive liberal party in 2017 and to live as a committed Christian and to hold faithful to the Bible's teaching has felt impossible for me.

He doesn't live by the bible, no one does and no one could possibly want to. What a pen1s shelf. Basically calling himself a bigot and not progressive either, which at least is one honest bit.

Ironic really. Of the three 'big' party leaders, he's the one to quit when the other two either lost an election that was more or less a free hit or turned a majority into a hung Parliament. You'd think May and Corbyn might have as much to consider.

At least he saw the contradiction and quit. Better that than stay on as a hypocrite.

[navyblueshorts]

Wow, he really did hate the gays.  What a pr!ck.

Really? You have first-hand knowledge of this?? Somehow, I don't think so.

[super_realist]

Tim Farron quits as Lib Dem Leader because of his "faith". Sounds like a get out clause for being a loser.

"To be a leader, particularly of a progressive liberal party in 2017 and to live as a committed Christian and to hold faithful to the Bible's teaching has felt impossible for me.

He doesn't live by the bible, no one does and no one could possibly want to. What a pen1s shelf. Basically calling himself a bigot and not progressive either, which at least is one honest bit.

Ironic really. Of the three 'big' party leaders, he's the one to quit when the other two either lost an election that was more or less a free hit or turned a majority into a hung Parliament. You'd think May and Corbyn might have as much to consider.

At least he saw the contradiction and quit. Better that than stay on as a hypocrite.

Well, regardless of whether he's an MP or not, he's still a hypocrite as he's saying he follows one thing, and is doing another.

[navyblueshorts]

Tim Farron quits as Lib Dem Leader because of his "faith". Sounds like a get out clause for being a loser.

"To be a leader, particularly of a progressive liberal party in 2017 and to live as a committed Christian and to hold faithful to the Bible's teaching has felt impossible for me.

He doesn't live by the bible, no one does and no one could possibly want to. What a pen1s shelf. Basically calling himself a bigot and not progressive either, which at least is one honest bit.

Ironic really. Of the three 'big' party leaders, he's the one to quit when the other two either lost an election that was more or less a free hit or turned a majority into a hung Parliament. You'd think May and Corbyn might have as much to consider.

At least he saw the contradiction and quit. Better that than stay on as a hypocrite.

Well, regardless of whether he's an MP or not, he's still a hypocrite as he's saying he follows one thing, and is doing another.

Sorry, not I sure I follow what you're actually referring to there...

[super_realist]

He says his job is inconsistent with the teachings of his "holy" book. This is a book which condones slavery, genocide, r***, incest, vicarious redemption, subjugation of women, homosexuals and children, adulterers as moral acts.

As a handbook to live your life, as Farron wants, you can't find a more immoral handbook. So to say you want to live your life as the bible lays out, and then you don't live like that makes you a hypocrite.

[Be_the_ball]

He says his job is inconsistent with the teachings of his "holy" book. This is a book which condones slavery, genocide, r***, incest,  vicarious redemption, subjugation of women, homosexuals and children, adulterers as moral acts.

As a handbook to live your life, as Farron wants, you can't find a more immoral handbook. So to say you want to live your life as the bible lays out, and then you don't live like that makes you a hypocrite.

Well at least he doesn't have any influence over govt policy.

[beninho]

He voted in favour of Gay Marriage and has voted in favour generally for gay rights.

He may have some views, but I have seen nothing to show that his religious views and his political views have caused conflict in his voting. Its a shame that people cannot see the difference between the two and people get hounded.

I'm usually a lib dem voter, though didnt this time, nothing to do with his religious views, just could not take to him, and I think they run a poor campaign focusing on brexit to much.

[super_realist]

Why would you want someone who believes in talking snakes to be in a political position?

Why would you want someone who cares about who you sleep with and how in a political position?

It's him who can't reconcile his babyish beliefs with undertaking an adult role in the real world.

[beninho]

The thing is that Tim Farron is clearly a more liberal person than the people who have used his personal beliefs against him. Its his political record which should be looked into, and from what, while previously may not have a "clean" voting record, there is nothing to indicate he should be drummed out of being party leader.

I think its a shame that the country is like that.

[super_realist]

No one is drumming him out, just that he's a moronic hypocrite with absurd beliefs about things that are none of his business.

[Mad for Chelsea]

May is a Christian also, has anyone asked her recently whether she thinks gay sex is a sin?

SR is right to point out that the focus on gay sex is silly, there are plenty of other things in the Bible that are even more ridiculous. Why not ask any Christian MP if they condone slavery, etc.? Basically, it boils down to whether one can be a Christian and still recognise that the Bible was written many many years ago and thus reflects the social norms of that time, so in today's world, which has thankfully moved on somewhat, it's a load of tosh.

[beninho]

No one is drumming him out, just that he's a moronic hypocrite  with absurd beliefs about things that are none of his business.

As I said, its a shame that the country is like that. I would much prefer a liberal country, where people thought petty name calling because someone has different views, was not the act of a normal person. But there we go. Each to their own.

[MontysMerkin]

May is a Christian also, has anyone asked her recently whether she thinks gay sex is a sin?

SR is right to point out that the focus on gay sex is silly, there are plenty of other things in the Bible that are even more ridiculous. Why not ask any Christian MP if they condone slavery, etc.? Basically, it boils down to whether one can be a Christian and still recognise that the Bible was written many many years ago and thus reflects the social norms of that time, so in today's world, which has thankfully moved on somewhat, it's a load of tosh.

May cannot be a christian due to creating and supporting tory policy.
They are incompatible.

[Mad for Chelsea]

May is a Christian also, has anyone asked her recently whether she thinks gay sex is a sin?

SR is right to point out that the focus on gay sex is silly, there are plenty of other things in the Bible that are even more ridiculous. Why not ask any Christian MP if they condone slavery, etc.? Basically, it boils down to whether one can be a Christian and still recognise that the Bible was written many many years ago and thus reflects the social norms of that time, so in today's world, which has thankfully moved on somewhat, it's a load of tosh.

May cannot be a christian due to creating and supporting tory policy.
They are incompatible.

I dunno, "crush the saboteurs" etc. could almost have been taken from the Old Testament, which Christians sort of still adhere to. Certainly Osborne seems quite keen on all this "an eye for an eye" stuff.

[Mad for Chelsea]

Meanwhile, it seems that the cladding on the tower - which could well have been responsible for the rapid spread of the fire according to various experts - was put there so that said tower wasn't too much of an eyesore for local residents. I don't even know where to begin with that...

[beninho]

It seems that similar cladding has been a factor in previous fires in tower blocks aswell. I would assume that it passed all building regulations, if so these need to be tightened up significantly.

[Mad for Chelsea]

What strikes me as really awful is how avoidable the whole thing seems to have been. There appear to have been multiple warnings etc. and everything was just ignored. I know it's fashionable these days to bemoan H+S regs and such, but there is a reason for them, as this tragedy reminds us. Thoughts with all the friends and families of those affected, especially those who simply don't know. Talk is that it may be weeks before a search can be safely completed, and waiting for your worst fears to be confirmed must be truly awful. I simply can't imagine what they're going through.

[super_realist]

No one is drumming him out, just that he's a moronic hypocrite  with absurd beliefs about things that are none of his business.

As I said, its a shame that the country is like that. I would much prefer a liberal country, where people thought petty name calling because someone has different views, was not the act of a normal person. But there we go. Each to their own.

It's not a shame when someone thinks problems can be prayed away. We can't have people making decisions when they think like that. Fallon has done right and resigned because he's admitted he can't separate his gullibility with his day job.

[super_realist]

May is a Christian also, has anyone asked her recently whether she thinks gay sex is a sin?

SR is right to point out that the focus on gay sex is silly, there are plenty of other things in the Bible that are even more ridiculous. Why not ask any Christian MP if they condone slavery, etc.? Basically, it boils down to whether one can be a Christian and still recognise that the Bible was written many many years ago and thus reflects the social norms of that time, so in today's world, which has thankfully moved on somewhat, it's a load of tosh.

May cannot be a christian due to creating and supporting tory policy.
They are incompatible.

On the contrary, being a Christian doesn't make you a good or compassionate person and it certainly doesn't make you moral, according to the bible it's the complete opposite. It condones a raft of horrible policies which are even worse than being a Tory.

[Diggers]

No one is drumming him out, just that he's a moronic hypocrite  with absurd beliefs about things that are none of his business.

As I said, its a shame that the country is like that. I would much prefer a liberal country, where people thought petty name calling because someone has different views, was not the act of a normal person. But there we go. Each to their own.

It's not a shame when someone thinks problems can be prayed away. We can't have people making decisions when they think like that. Fallon has done right and resigned because he's admitted he can't separate his gullibility with his day job.

I don't think he should quit because he's a christian and those are his beliefs, the religious element is irrelevant to me.
I'm far more interested in the fact that he holds those beliefs and can at the same time claim to be a Liberal, I don't see how that can be the case. Therefore he shouldn't be leader of the Liberal Party, I wouldn't vote for him that's for sure.

[super_realist]

Very true Diggers.

[MontysMerkin]

May is a Christian also, has anyone asked her recently whether she thinks gay sex is a sin?

SR is right to point out that the focus on gay sex is silly, there are plenty of other things in the Bible that are even more ridiculous. Why not ask any Christian MP if they condone slavery, etc.? Basically, it boils down to whether one can be a Christian and still recognise that the Bible was written many many years ago and thus reflects the social norms of that time, so in today's world, which has thankfully moved on somewhat, it's a load of tosh.

May cannot be a christian due to creating and supporting tory policy.
They are incompatible.

On the contrary, being a Christian doesn't make you a good or compassionate person and it certainly doesn't make you moral, according to the bible it's the complete opposite. It condones a raft of horrible policies which are even worse than being a Tory.

I'm talking about christians in the normal sense of the word, as a sane person would recognise it, not your garbled, gnashing, frothing, ranting swivel eyed loon interpretation.

[Diggers]

May is a Christian also, has anyone asked her recently whether she thinks gay sex is a sin?

SR is right to point out that the focus on gay sex is silly, there are plenty of other things in the Bible that are even more ridiculous. Why not ask any Christian MP if they condone slavery, etc.? Basically, it boils down to whether one can be a Christian and still recognise that the Bible was written many many years ago and thus reflects the social norms of that time, so in today's world, which has thankfully moved on somewhat, it's a load of tosh.

May cannot be a christian due to creating and supporting tory policy.
They are incompatible.

On the contrary, being a Christian doesn't make you a good or compassionate person and it certainly doesn't make you moral, according to the bible it's the complete opposite. It condones a raft of horrible policies which are even worse than being a Tory.

I'm talking about christians in the normal sense of the word, as a sane person would recognise it, not your garbled, gnashing, frothing, ranting swivel eyed loon interpretation.

What is a normal christian though? A bible belt American may be different to a Scottish Presbyterian, a Filipino Catholic may be more or less devout than an English Baptist. Some people say they are a Christian but never go to church, never pray. Personally I don't really see why any of these things in general makes them liable to be a "better" person than anyone else.

[dynamark]

Afternoon missed the Us open comp.
Pretty much all religion is flawed why on earth anyone would want to base their entire life on the writings of someone living thousands of years ago is way beyond me.Im not keen on homosexuality amongst a lot of other stuff but live and let live .
The fire -what is baffling is that assuming someone called in fairly quickly  and fire boys were there within 6/7 minutes .Fire panel in the ground floor hall tells them where to go up the stair connect to the riser and 15/20 minutes after it started it should be over.I work in social housing and we have had several incidents last few years which have been contained other than smoke damage as designed in the one demise behind the fire doors..For the flame to get to the foam cladding it would need to have got through the outer structure somehow(a vent?) or popped out a window glass.Very odd but there is a cladding with mineral fibre core available.I assume the foam is preferred for cost and weatherproofing reasons.Serious stuff sadly

[super_realist]

May is a Christian also, has anyone asked her recently whether she thinks gay sex is a sin?

SR is right to point out that the focus on gay sex is silly, there are plenty of other things in the Bible that are even more ridiculous. Why not ask any Christian MP if they condone slavery, etc.? Basically, it boils down to whether one can be a Christian and still recognise that the Bible was written many many years ago and thus reflects the social norms of that time, so in today's world, which has thankfully moved on somewhat, it's a load of tosh.

May cannot be a christian due to creating and supporting tory policy.
They are incompatible.

On the contrary, being a Christian doesn't make you a good or compassionate person and it certainly doesn't make you moral, according to the bible it's the complete opposite. It condones a raft of horrible policies which are even worse than being a Tory.

I'm talking about christians in the normal sense of the word, as a sane person would recognise it, not your garbled, gnashing, frothing, ranting swivel eyed loon interpretation.

The fact that Christians are good people is simply a myth perpetuated by themselves. Christians are no nicer than anyone else, but they will excuse all the revolting things that the bible deems moral.

Actually, there's a good deal of evidence that they're actually worse people.

[SmithersJones]

It's prejudice dressed up as religion. You don't see 'christians' trying to ban tattoos or eating shellfish, even though those are 'forbidden' in the exact same passage of the bible (Leviticus 19 I think it is, forgive me if my memory fails me on that). I agree with relatively little Super posts but I'd suggest they're worse rather than better too.

[kwinigolfer]

It's all a load of b0ll0cks isn't it.
I'd bet that 98% (some wiggle room for Mac) of people that come on this board live their lives to christian values whether or not they ever see the inside of a church or pray to their mythology.
Drives me crazy that "christian schools" are fashionable in some parts of the States - can't imagine that students there live by any better values than those who go to "public" (not British public!) schools, they probably just have to have a quick pray once a day.

[super_realist]

Being decent is not "Christian" values Kwini. There's not really any such thing as "Christian values" in regard to being a good person.

They've simply hijacked the term. Rather typical of their self importance and self aggrandising opinion of themselves.

I've heard the term "hubris" a lot this past week. Fits in with the "johnny in the pew" Christian very well.

[kwinigolfer]

That's why I used the lower-case "c". Christian, big C, is a garbage word, as you say promoting "self importance and self aggrandising".

"Christian" is a load of b0ll0cks, means eff all except as an excuse for extreme opinions and beliefs.

[SmithersJones]

Always remember the Bill Hicks joke about how 3 rednecks came up to him after a gig and said 'Hey buddy, we're Christians and we don't like what you've been saying.' To which Bill replied 'So forgive me!'.

[Yadsendew]

Wow, he really did hate the gays.  What a pr!ck.

Oh the irony of this comment - I can't work out whether it's a criticism, statement or compliment!

[kwinigolfer]

We miss you Yads . . . . . . . . .

[Roller_Coaster]

Wow, he really did hate the gays.  What a pr!ck.

Oh the irony of this comment - I can't work out whether it's a criticism, statement or compliment!

[McLaren]

Thankfully "christians" have borrowed from many other world views over the centuries to help cover up the horror show that is the bible. The bibles attempt at setting out a set of morals to live by is woeful.


As for Farron, did he really go because of a conflict between his religion and politics or because he didn't win enough seats in a general election?

[super_realist]

Quite Mac, had the Lib Dem's won 30 seats. Would he have quit? Of course not. More hypocrisy.

-------

https://www.606v2.com/viewtopic.forum?t=65947

[Sponsored content]