Kiwi Press Fails Once Again

Spot the obvious error:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11402476

There are actually a few. What a rag.

You think Irish newspapers don't make errors?

A picture editor gets a caption wrong - fairly minor in the scheme of things.

Pot Hale wrote:You think Irish newspapers don't make errors?

A picture editor gets a caption wrong - fairly minor in the scheme of things.

It is a ridiculous mistake. Also they increased the capacity of the stadium by 4 thousand. It seems like everytime I read a match report involving Ireland in the Kiwi press they say something really dumb.

hardly a game report since they only to care about Exton head clashes...
otherwise have seen English newspapers mistaking Bastareaud with Steffon Armitage which is worst than this one...

whocares wrote:hardly a game report since they only to care about Exton head clashes...
otherwise have seen English newspapers mistaking Bastareaud with Steffon Armitage which is worst than this one...

Ha in fairness they do look alike.

GunsGerms wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:You think Irish newspapers don't make errors?

A picture editor gets a caption wrong - fairly minor in the scheme of things.

It is a ridiculous mistake. Also they increased the capacity of the stadium by 4 thousand. It seems like everytime I read a match report involving Ireland in the Kiwi press they say something really dumb.

It's usually a good idea to have a look at the byline - does this look familiar?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/international/ireland-vs-france-match-report-bloodied-and-bruised-jonathan-sexton-sticks-the-boot-in-to-french-10046641.html

Pot Hale wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:You think Irish newspapers don't make errors?

A picture editor gets a caption wrong - fairly minor in the scheme of things.

It is a ridiculous mistake. Also they increased the capacity of the stadium by 4 thousand. It seems like everytime I read a match report involving Ireland in the Kiwi press they say something really dumb.

It's usually a good idea to have a look at the byline - does this look familiar?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/international/ireland-vs-france-match-report-bloodied-and-bruised-jonathan-sexton-sticks-the-boot-in-to-french-10046641.html

I did read that and was aware that it was taken from the Independant. However, the independant doesnt state that Jared Payne is Ireland's captain nor does it give the same attendance figure as the NZ Herald who made up both those "facts" themselves.

GunsGerms wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:You think Irish newspapers don't make errors?

A picture editor gets a caption wrong - fairly minor in the scheme of things.

It is a ridiculous mistake. Also they increased the capacity of the stadium by 4 thousand. It seems like everytime I read a match report involving Ireland in the Kiwi press they say something really dumb.

It's usually a good idea to have a look at the byline - does this look familiar?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/international/ireland-vs-france-match-report-bloodied-and-bruised-jonathan-sexton-sticks-the-boot-in-to-french-10046641.html

I did read that and was aware that it was taken from the Independant. However, the independant doesnt state that Jared Payne is Ireland's captain nor does it give the same attendance figure as the NZ Herald who made up both those "facts" themselves.

Hmmm.... The author of the Independent piece is Matt Lloyd, a Welsh journalist based in Cardiff. In his original piece, he states the capacity is 54,000. Is that accurate?

No they are both wrong. They give different figures.

This article seems a bit of an overreaction.

It's not like anyone got a knee in the back.

I can also tell you why he was mistakenly called the skipper as well, if you like.

Getty Images, the agency who supplied the photo of Payne put the following caption on the image:

DUBLIN, IRELAND - FEBRUARY 14: Jared Payne (C) of Ireland is held up by Morgan Parra and Thierry Dusautoir (R) of FRANCE during the RBS Six Nations match between Ireland and France at the Aviva Stadium on February 14, 2015 in Dublin, Ireland. (PHOTO by Michael Stee

Pot Hale wrote:I can also tell you why he was mistakenly called the skipper as well, if you like.

Getty Images, the agency who supplied the photo of Payne put the following caption on the image:

DUBLIN, IRELAND - FEBRUARY 14: Jared Payne (C) of Ireland is held up by Morgan Parra and Thierry Dusautoir (R) of FRANCE during the RBS Six Nations match between Ireland and France at the Aviva Stadium on February 14, 2015 in Dublin, Ireland. (PHOTO by Michael Stee

Also? In any case surely any paper running a story has an editor to check the content? Maybe when they wrote (c) they meant centre? Are you trying to make excuses for them?

A good newspaper always verifies content anyway. Really basic errors.

Maybe Payne has copyright on his name and Dusatoirs is a registered trademark?

Actually the R stands for right and C centre indicating their position in the picture.

Pot Hale wrote:I can also tell you why he was mistakenly called the skipper as well, if you like.

Getty Images, the agency who supplied the photo of Payne put the following caption on the image:

DUBLIN, IRELAND - FEBRUARY 14: Jared Payne (C) of Ireland is held up by Morgan Parra and Thierry Dusautoir (R) of FRANCE during the RBS Six Nations match between Ireland and France at the Aviva Stadium on February 14, 2015 in Dublin, Ireland. (PHOTO by Michael Stee

Hah! Getty images say Jared Payne (centre) and Thierry Dusatoir (right) and a NZ paper thinks Jared Payne is the Captain... now that IS funny.

Nothing wrong with that report. Batareaud's bum covers 10, 11, 12 and 13.

Agree with Pot Hale here. The article is a wire contract with The Independent and the photo description is from Getty Images.

Rugby Fan wrote:Agree with Pot Hale here. The article is a wire contract with The Independent and the photo description is from Getty Images.

You missed the point. Getty images never said Payne was skipper the NZ Herald did. They also completely pulled the attendance figures out of the air posting a different number to the Independant.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11402473

Here is another "6 nations" article from the same paper. Oh dear.

The audacity of it! To make out like those provincials in Ireland have a stadium the appropriate size for Internationals.

IT'S AN OUTRAGE!

Pot Hale wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:You think Irish newspapers don't make errors?

A picture editor gets a caption wrong - fairly minor in the scheme of things.

It is a ridiculous mistake. Also they increased the capacity of the stadium by 4 thousand. It seems like everytime I read a match report involving Ireland in the Kiwi press they say something really dumb.

It's usually a good idea to have a look at the byline - does this look familiar?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/international/ireland-vs-france-match-report-bloodied-and-bruised-jonathan-sexton-sticks-the-boot-in-to-french-10046641.html

anyone noticed the caption of the second picture :

stoopid journo wrote: Morgan Parra runs into Rory Kockott

poor Kockott ... had to be ran over by the very same guy that's replacing him on the pitch...

I had noticed that but wasnt sure who it was to be sure it wasnt Kockott.

it was Lamerat (the centre from the bench). Tales. the main thing is that it was very unlikely to have both SH on the pitch at the same time...

whocares wrote:it was Lamerat (the centre from the bench). Tales. the main thing is that it was very unlikely to have both SH on the pitch at the same time...

I know but it is PSA so anything is possible. Even Lievremont started Parra at 10 for a while and you sometimes get two nines on the field at the end of games as injuries stack up or even for blood replacements.

To be fair to the Kiwi press, the BBC and Telegrpah often get players' names wrong in the picture captions!

GunsGerms wrote:I had noticed that but wasnt sure who it was to be sure it wasnt Kockott.

Shouldn't you amend the title of your thread to include the UK in there as well, Mr Purfect?

ebop wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:I had noticed that but wasnt sure who it was to be sure it wasnt Kockott.

Shouldn't you amend the title of your thread to include the UK in there as well, Mr Purfect?

Why?

GunsGerms wrote:

ebop wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:I had noticed that but wasnt sure who it was to be sure it wasnt Kockott.

Shouldn't you amend the title of your thread to include the UK in there as well, Mr Purfect?

Why?

Because the author of the report, a Welsh journalist also got the stadium capacity wrong. Surely that's also a cardinal sin, particularly for a NH journalist who'd probably actually visited the ground and should know that there's no way that 54,000 would fit into the ground, when only 51,700 can. I mean - come on!!

Interestingly, the capacity of the stadium seems to vary depending on what you read.

the Wiki entry says it's 51,700 all seated, but goes on to say " There is one basement level and seven storeys of floors including ground level. The premium level holds 10,000 spectators, while the box level holds 1,300. The remaining 38,700 seats are shared between the top and bottom tiers.

So that's 10,000 plus 1,300 plus 38,700 - which makes it 50,000 then, right? Except, it also says it's 49,000 for American Football and 65,000 for concerts.

Then there's a variety of Irish media and websites who seem to persist in saying that it has a capacity for 50,000 whatever the event.

http://www.dublinrocks.com/venue/Aviva-Stadium; http://www.soccer-ireland.com/football-grounds/aviva-stadium.htm;

Then there's the Aviva stadium events website which says it has capacity for 50,000 - http://www.avivastadiumevents.ie/stadium.aspx

On the other hand, a sports economics site does an analysis based on a capacity of 51,700. http://www.sportseconomics.org/sports-economics/attendance-at-the-aviva-stadiumfor-roi-internationals

The Aviva Stadium even ran a quiz asking Irish fans what was the capacity - https://www.facebook.com/AVIVAstadium/posts/10151574605003382

Unfortunately, Ireland was only ranked 51st instead of 42nd in the European stadium guide - http://www.stadiumguide.com/figures-and-statistics/lists/europes-largest-football-stadiums/ all because of that pesky 1,700 seats.

No wonder the Kiwis are confused....

GunsGerms wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:You think Irish newspapers don't make errors?

A picture editor gets a caption wrong - fairly minor in the scheme of things.

It is a ridiculous mistake. Also they increased the capacity of the stadium by 4 thousand. It seems like everytime I read a match report involving Ireland in the Kiwi press they say something really dumb.

Actually, they increased the capacity by 500 from the report they received which is actually 2,800 more than the "official" capacity, not "4 thousand."

Surprised they didn't have a side bar whinge about Romain Toafifenua being eligible to play for NZ but was poached by france

Lansdowne only holds 52,380.  And that's the official number released by the Irish Department of Statistics and they break it down.
It breaks down the four distinct sides thus:
2,014
23,480
24,012
15,680

But that's only from January to June.  From July to December that number might change by a factor of 10,000 depending on the weather and pervading wind direction

So it's clear....in traditional Irish terms, it's as big or small as you want to pretend it is

SecretFly wrote:Lansdowne only holds 52,380.  And that's the official number released by the Irish Department of Statistics and they break it down.
It breaks down the four distinct sides thus:
2,014
23,480
24,012
15,680

But that's only from January to June.  From July to December that number might change by a factor of 10,000 depending on the weather and pervading wind direction

So it's clear....in traditional Irish terms, it's as big or small as you want to pretend it is

Fascinating piece of mathematics, Fly - you're only out by a mere 12,806. I wonder is there a provincial fan connection with those sides?

Gwlad wrote:Surprised they didn't have a side bar whinge about Romain Toafifenua being eligible to play for NZ but was poached by france

Our Kiwi is Atonio... Unless NZ claims new caledonia as their own (that's where Taofifenua father hails from)

whocares wrote:

Gwlad wrote:Surprised they didn't have a side bar whinge about Romain Toafifenua being eligible to play for NZ but was poached by france

Our Kiwi is Atonio... Unless NZ claims new caledonia as their own (that's where Taofifenua father hails from)

But that is a Pacific Island therefore NZ would have no claim on players from there.

whocares wrote:

Gwlad wrote:Surprised they didn't have a side bar whinge about Romain Toafifenua being eligible to play for NZ but was poached by france

Our Kiwi is Atonio... Unless NZ claims new caledonia as their own (that's where Taofifenua father hails from)

And it's why Ireland are going to invade Tahiti on the 8th of April (we were thinking of doing it 7 days earlier but we feared nobody would take us seriously)

But we all gotta have some of those bloody Pacific islands in our kitty to compete! It's not fair that some of us don't.

Pot Hale wrote:You think Irish newspapers don't make errors?

A picture editor gets a caption wrong - fairly minor in the scheme of things.

Dont tell Guns and Germs but the New Zealand Herald is an Irish newspaper.

I think this is a scandal.
We should close New Zealand and send everyone back where the ancestors came from.............

If Ireland do invade Tahiti, I will volunteer my support. My weapon of choice is a bottle of rum.

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:You think Irish newspapers don't make errors?

A picture editor gets a caption wrong - fairly minor in the scheme of things.

Dont tell Guns and Germs but the New Zealand Herald is an Irish newspaper.

That explains it all.

SecretFly wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:You think Irish newspapers don't make errors?

A picture editor gets a caption wrong - fairly minor in the scheme of things.

Dont tell Guns and Germs but the New Zealand Herald is an Irish newspaper.

That explains it all.

Only partly true I think laurie - NZH used to be owned by Independent News & Media, Irish plc that used to be controlled by "Sir" Anthony - don't call me Tony - O'Reilly. Think now that Sir Anto is broke NZH is owned by APN, an Aussie plc in which Independent has a minority interest.

BTW laurie that cricket ground in Nelson where Ireland just turned over the West Indies must be one of the most gorgeous in the world. Never been in Nelson - must hit the north part of South Island next time I get back to NZ

OT, brennomac that was an epic win by Ireland, bloody awesome.

Guns, can you please check the below for any inaccuracies and let us know, thnx mate.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/cricket-world-cup/news/article.cfm?c_id=497&objectid=11402879

GunsGerms wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:I can also tell you why he was mistakenly called the skipper as well, if you like.

Getty Images, the agency who supplied the photo of Payne put the following caption on the image:

DUBLIN, IRELAND - FEBRUARY 14: Jared Payne (C) of Ireland is held up by Morgan Parra and Thierry Dusautoir (R) of FRANCE during the RBS Six Nations match between Ireland and France at the Aviva Stadium on February 14, 2015 in Dublin, Ireland. (PHOTO by Michael Stee

Also? In any case surely any paper running a story has an editor to check the content? Maybe when they wrote (c) they meant centre? Are you trying to make excuses for them?

A good newspaper always verifies content anyway. Really basic errors.

just the way you verified the NZHeralds source Guns? So they get one word wrong and inflate a crowd size by a paltry 4,000 and you feel the need, and have the time to dedicate an entire post to it?

Man you must have nothing better to do with your time... perhaps you could spend more time working out why Ireland has never beaten the country of that newspaper for, umm, oh, ever. That might be a touch more interesting, and...useful.

Yes I already covered that multiple times. The errors dont have anything to do with the source which I also noticed before I posted the article. I also posted another article from the same paper that ran the headline that the 6 nations champions lost in the opening week.

Well then, thank goodness we have someone out there keeping an eye on our articles. I suppose while we have people looking after your rugby that's a fair enough compromise then. I suppose after having coach and Payne as a player the Herald thought captain could be assumed perhaps?

Cant argue Schmidt is the man. Best coach in the world by a good bit.

GunsGerms wrote:Cant argue Schmidt is the man. Best coach in the world by a good bit.

He hasn't won anything of note 'in the world' yet, so 'best' can't apply logically without further definition, but he isn't bad I agree. How he goes this year will certainly define Schmidt as a coach.

brennomac wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:You think Irish newspapers don't make errors?

A picture editor gets a caption wrong - fairly minor in the scheme of things.

Dont tell Guns and Germs but the New Zealand Herald is an Irish newspaper.

That explains it all.

Only partly true I think laurie - NZH used to be owned by Independent News & Media, Irish plc that used to be controlled by "Sir" Anthony - don't call me Tony - O'Reilly.  Think now that Sir Anto is broke NZH is owned by APN, an Aussie plc in which Independent has a minority interest.

BTW laurie that cricket ground in Nelson where Ireland just turned over the West Indies must be one of the most gorgeous in the world.  Never been in Nelson - must hit the north part of South Island next time I get back to NZ

Brenomac,My understanding is that the Herald was owned by the Wilson and Horton families  from middle 19th century to late 90s, then Tony O'reilly came along and was throwing cash around like a drunken sailor and so the Horton's sold to O'Reilly's  company at the time Independent News and media group of Dublin, through a combination of amalgamations the paper is now owned by  APN News and Media which in turn is owned by the "Independent" (as you say) but also   other O'Reilly Australian based companies. I for some reason have always assumed that "Independent" is still Irish owned and based, and I ve probably just reworded what you said around another way.

Anyway the Herald hasnt been New Zealand owned for 20 years.

One of the first things Independent did when they took over was to make all the proof readers redundant, and one of those proof readers at the time was one Mataafa Keenan, lock for Auckland and Samoa. now if Mataafa put a (C) next to some players  name it wouldnt be because he was a either a centre or a Captain.

aucklandlaurie wrote:

brennomac wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Pot Hale wrote:You think Irish newspapers don't make errors?

A picture editor gets a caption wrong - fairly minor in the scheme of things.

Dont tell Guns and Germs but the New Zealand Herald is an Irish newspaper.

That explains it all.

Only partly true I think laurie - NZH used to be owned by Independent News & Media, Irish plc that used to be controlled by "Sir" Anthony - don't call me Tony - O'Reilly.  Think now that Sir Anto is broke NZH is owned by APN, an Aussie plc in which Independent has a minority interest.

BTW laurie that cricket ground in Nelson where Ireland just turned over the West Indies must be one of the most gorgeous in the world.  Never been in Nelson - must hit the north part of South Island next time I get back to NZ

Brenomac,My understanding is that the Herald was owned by the Wilson and Horton families  from middle 19th century to late 90s, then Tony O'reilly came along and was throwing cash around like a drunken sailor and so the Horton's sold to O'Reilly's  company at the time Independent News and media group of Dublin, through a combination of amalgamations the paper is now owned by  APN News and Media which in turn is owned by the "Independent" (as you say) but also   other O'Reilly Australian based companies. I for some reason have always assumed that "Independent" is still Irish owned and based, and I ve probably just reworded what you said around another way.

Anyway the Herald hasnt been New Zealand  owned for 20 years.

One of the first things Independent did when they took over was to make all the proof readers redundant, and one of those proof readers at the time was one Mataafa Keenan, lock for Auckland and Samoa. now if Mataafa put a (C) next to some players  name it wouldnt be because he was a either a centre or a Captain.

Lol.

"Cracking player" perhaps?

Whereas the C has a totally different meaning when put after Richard Cockeril in articles written by Castrogiovani

Gooseberry wrote:Whereas the C has a totally different meaning when put after Richard Cockeril in articles written by Castrogiovani

Really? What ever do you mean? I am sure those guys would never say anything untoward?