Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[mystiroakey]

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Not sure what's going to happen in t his game..

More bothered about watching what Ox can do again..

Its not a forgone conclusion for me.

I do think Moyesball is pretty decent against possession teams..

[mystiroakey]

if they could yes- but arsernal wont give you flamini

[Dolphin Ziggler]

If we're talking prudence, the one thing Man United are stacked with is players in the positions that cost the most money. Top strikers and top playmakers, like RVP, Rooney, Mata etc, are the biggest money.

[GSC]

Matas been marginalised out wide. Nani and Young certainly need selling, Valencia isn't good enough

[compelling and rich]

They need a new LB, 2 CBs, 2 CMs an probably 2 wingers.

lb agreed, dont need two cb, that would leave us with 5 with jones, smalling and evans. already think a first choice partnership is there between them 3 just need a run of games to get them settled together and preferably playing in a organised team and with full backs who know how to defend

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Im not a Man United fan.

And thats so short-termist Mysti. What do they gain? One season of a semi-decent player who has played well for Arsenal, but isn't a star and then Arteta, who is a poor man's Carrick and very much not what they need.

If thats their ambition then its depressing

[GSC]

Jones perhaps in time, Smalling an Evans aren't really good enough for anything more than backup

[mystiroakey]

what was smalling on yesterday?

seriously the dude looked like he was playing football on the moon or something

[compelling and rich]

if they could yes- but arsernal wont give you flamini

im sorry but you get a flamini from anywhere, nothing special. just was a position arsenal really needed so making him stand out more as he's the only midfielder there who can defend. would rather have a de jong than flamini

[mystiroakey]

if they could yes- but arsernal wont give you flamini

im sorry but you get a flamini from anywhere, nothing special. just was a position arsenal really needed so making him stand out more as he's the only midfielder there who can defend. would rather have a de jong than flamini

if you can get a flamini from anywhere - why the heck havent you got one all ready!!

[compelling and rich]

Jones perhaps in time, Smalling an Evans aren't really good enough for anything more than backup

cant agree with that, evans has been our best CB for the last 3 years out performing all of jones, vidic and rio. we havent looked great at the back this season but thats more down to the manager and teams form in front of them instead of a black mark against the defence. dont forget evra doesn't bother defending at all these days either

[compelling and rich]

if they could yes- but arsernal wont give you flamini

im sorry but you get a flamini from anywhere, nothing special. just was a position arsenal really needed so making him stand out more as he's the only midfielder there who can defend. would rather have a de jong than flamini

if you can get a flamini from anywhere - why the heck havent you got one all ready!!

fergie didnt like a purely DM and he had carrick playing at a level where we didnt really need one

[mystiroakey]

Did Moyes play Fellani higher up the pitch at everton?

[compelling and rich]

Did Moyes play Fellani higher up the pitch at everton?

after cahill went yes he played him off the striker, why?

[mystiroakey]

Im not a Man United fan.

And thats so short-termist Mysti. What do they gain? One season of a semi-decent player who has played well for Arsenal, but isn't a star and then Arteta, who is a poor man's Carrick and very much not what they need.

If thats their ambition then its depressing

this is what i think the problem is though.

I think its time for united to think a little bit smaller, get teams together playing footy first

[mystiroakey]

Did Moyes play Fellani higher up the pitch at everton?

after cahill went yes he played him off the striker, why?

Thats what i thought..

It seems an even odder signing thats all..

[socal1976]

Flamini is no chopped liver he has been one of the best holding midfielders in the division this year, and you can see his influence when he doesn't play Arsenal really struggle in that department. The guy did play for AC Milan although towards the end he was playing less for them and refused to resign with them although they wanted him back. He is a big reason we have one of the top 3 defenses in the league despite the blow ups at Anfield and Man City. By the way he didn't play in either of those matches if memory serves me right.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Hes not gonna transform Man United though, is he? They could get players like him rather easily, younger and better

[mystiroakey]

who-

not one of you has mentioned a player?

[compelling and rich]

my personal preference would be a new three in the middle, carricks been a decent player for us but for he me he's just too slow. i hate the current sit back and let the team play in front of us football were playing at the minute because we haven't any midfielders with the pace and energy to get amongst the opposition.

i like teams who press and play at a high tempo, so two CM's with above and mata in front of them. unfortunately we wont though because we have rooney and rvp and a manager without the balls to drop them for the sake of the team.

[compelling and rich]

who-

not one of you has mentioned a player?

any player better than cleverly, got a inkling there may be a few

not really been scouting europe as its not my job but any of the dortmund cms are better than we have, theres bayern, real, barca bench players that are better than we have just to name a few, all of which we should have enough sway to pull

[mystiroakey]

they must be some in the PL you could name?

cleverly was actually really good first half of last season.. 

jones has also been quality.

maybe it really is just about the manager.

[GSC]

Cleverley is nowhere near good enough

[mystiroakey]

he really played all right start of last season. then he lost it..

but anyway- that's immaterial- he isnt performing at all at the moment. so yes someone has kind of answered my point honestly- they said 'anyone better than cleverly'

thats the reality of it. If you cant get world class- you just need ok players at the very worst

[compelling and rich]

they must be some in the PL you could name?

cleverly was actually really good first half of last season.. 

jones has also been quality.

maybe it really is just about the manager.

yes but as others have been saying the best players are not going to be sold to a rival team (id quite happily take ramires and yaya!!) and outside the top few teams there isnt that many midfielders who would improve us dramatically. were not sunderland were united and were going to aim high

[compelling and rich]

you said nobody has named any players, my point about cleverly was tongue in cheek that naming anybody better than cleverly we would be here all day

[mystiroakey]

That's a good enough answer though..

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Without even looking abroad, Man United could easily snoop Dembele or Sandro, Tiote is about Flamini's quality. I'd imagine you're watching a match now where Felipe Melo is proving he can do that job. Aside from Sandro, who is younger and better, those are just very quick suggestions of players who wouldnt do massive strides at Man United but are at Flamini's level

[mystiroakey]

Melo is certainly not afraid to get involved.

Its certainly something Man U lack IMO..

someone to really dig in the centre. Your suggestions are ok i suppose. The fact is you actually made suggestions. But I disagree- I think certain players would make a huge impact.

I know the signing of cabaye might not have been on.. But looking at what newcastle are left with without him is truly shocking.

CM's probably do make the biggest difference to teams quality's.

And even someone only 50% better could really turn it around at united, not in a title challenging way- but certainly in a footballing sense

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Oh, they need a CM, don't think I disagree there. But Arteta and Flamini wouldnt solve the problem.

Sandro or Dembele would both be fantastic, Dembele was a missed opportunity at the time. What they have over Flamini is a bit more class and also age. Tottenham will rip money out of them, as they always do, so that might be the stumbling block.

There are far better options internationally, but I'd be tempted to say they should pick up one of those two domestically too.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I'd go for Fernandes and try again for Kroos personally.

[GSC]

If United could get Kroos they should break the bank. However I don't think it's a goer.

Kagawa and cash for Reus and Gundogan should be their first deal.

[mystiroakey]

They need a decent one early in the window- just incase a big one doesn't pan out. I just cant see Kross going to united. a non CL team from Bayern where he plays loads!!

I think he has started every single game in the Bundes

[Hammersmith harrier]

Kroos is refusing to enter contract negotiations, rumours are he doesn't get on with Pep.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

King Leroy could do a very good job for Utd

[mystiroakey]

You dont think Kroos is just playing of uniteds offer of 250k a week?

Bayern compared to other top teams slightly under pay there players(or should i say dont over pay them as much!!)

[Hammersmith harrier]

Seeing as we've not spoken to the player I don't know where your 250k a week has come from or is that yet another rumour you believe. We do know though that he's been offered a new contract but as of yet has had no interest in even discussing it.

[mystiroakey]

its not a rumour i believe its a RUMOUR.

the rumour is all it takes.. whether its true or not is hear nor there.. and yes Man u would pay that.

This is how things are done.. rumours and speculation..

The player has supposedly just been offered 125k on an extension- not sure again all rumours.. but its what agents do.. Off course he wont talk.. This is all about him getting more money

[Hammersmith harrier]

No we would not pay that for anybody other than Rooney or Ronaldo.

[mystiroakey]

How do you know what you wouldnt pay?

Is it a rumour you believe

[GSC]

Probably a rude awakening coming then. Without CL football, United are going to have to splash some cash. That was the deeper meaning behind 37m for Mata and 300k for Rooney. 'twas a signal of intent

[Hammersmith harrier]

How do you know what you wouldnt pay?

Is it a rumour you believe

Unlike you I know my club and how we operate.

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