New Zealand v India, Second ODI

by msp83 Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:39 pm

The 2nd ODI of the series is happening tomorrow.
New Zealand have to replace the injured Adam Milne, Kyle Mills is likely to be back.
India have a couple of concerns, Suresh Raina has been struggling for some time now, and Ishant Sharma has been seriously inconsistent as ever. Ravichandran Ashwin and Rohit Sharma has also not been contributing anything to the team since they left India for South Africa a month and half ago. Perhaps the team management will see the sense before it is too late and replace Raina with Rayudu and Ishant with Ishwar Pandey? They have to consider Mishra or Aaron for Ashwin as well.

by Gerry SA Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:54 am

Pitch is likely to spin so Ashwin will be retained.

Is like to see the pacey Varon Aaron get a game.

Rohit, Ishant and Raina should all be axed.

by **Pal Joey** Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:08 pm

NZ were doing well at 170/2 after 33.2 overs... until the rain came.
Covers on, off, on and now off again.

by **Pal Joey** Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:30 pm

Play has resumed and NZ has gone ballistic. The match has been reduced to 42 overs.

249/4 after 39 overs.
Some amazing hitting from Anderson. It was very nearly the quickest 50 (17 balls) in ODIs but he's caught by Dharwan in the outfield.

A kid in an orange shirt had caught another one-handed catch in the previous over - for $100k. Wow!

by **Biltong** Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:31 pm

Brilliant knock by Anderson, he eventually is caught with 44 off 17 balls.

by **Pal Joey** Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:35 pm

Morning Biltong. Smile

I thought the weather might ruin this so I switched over to the AO for about half an hour.
Nadal lost the first set against Dimitrov and Azarenka was eliminated by Radwanska.

by **Biltong** Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:37 pm

Hi LB, yeah, I too thought the game is going to be ruined, when is the next OZ ODI?

by **Biltong** Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:39 pm

Quick question, I am not sure how Duckworth Lewis works.

In a case where an innings is halted midway and the overs then reduced, does the target for the team batting second get revised as the team batting first paced their innings prior to the rain for a 50 over innings?

by **Pal Joey** Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:47 pm

I think they have a formula - based on the revised 42 overs regardless of the run-rate before or after the rain delay occurred. May be more to it than that though?

Next Oz ODI is on Friday in Perth.

by **Pal Joey** Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:48 pm

Not a bad total at all - 271/7 after 42 overs. (6.45 runs/over)

by **Biltong** Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:50 pm

Shami did well in the end, but NZ was throwing a at at evrything that moved, so in a sense it is inevitable that wickets go down.

by **Pal Joey** Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:52 pm

Just found this:

The batting Powerplay will be for four overs. And India will have only nine overs of mandatory Powerplay when they bat. Two bowlers can bowl a maximum of nine overs.

New Zealand's total at the end of 42 overs will be scaled up by the D/L method.

by **Biltong** Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:53 pm

Yeah, on cricinfo the target for India is 297.

by **Pal Joey** Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:55 pm

Yep, 297 to win.

Is the dinner break cut down to 84% too? Whistle

by **Biltong** Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:56 pm

Tough ask that.

by **Biltong** Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:57 pm

I am now officially a minnow supporter in cricket.

Come on Black caps, have some rich kids for dinner!

by **Biltong** Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:59 pm

Linebreaker wrote:Yep, 297 to win.

Is the dinner break cut down to 84% too?

Haha, I actually think it will be a shortened dinner.

by **Pal Joey** Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:00 pm

NZ is always my second team for obvious reasons.

As the commentators were saying - there seems to be some rising talent plus a lot of confidence there... then they lose a few quick wickets just after they say things like that.

Still, it was a great effort from the cuz-bros. Smile

by **Pal Joey** Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:03 pm

Biltong wrote:
Linebreaker wrote:Yep, 297 to win.

Is the dinner break cut down to 84% too?

Haha, I actually think it will be a shortened dinner.

They have to surrender some of their beef stroganoff and rice... in equal proportions. No icing on the cake tonight either.

Also, the tea is not allowed above the D/L line on the mug.

by **Biltong** Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:05 pm

I usually support the SH nations in cricket and Rugby.
But now I have a conundrum with OZ.

Not happy about CA's approach at all, I wonder how the OZ rugbynsupporters will react if SARU demands all their revenue?

by **Pal Joey** Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:11 pm

Biltong wrote:I usually support the SH nations in cricket and Rugby.
But now I have a conundrum with OZ.

Not happy about CA's approach at all, I wonder how the OZ rugbynsupporters will react if SARU demands all their revenue?

Exactly. I'm just as disappointed as you are mate.

"Some members may seek clarity on the financial model but in principle, there is no reason for anyone to oppose the proposal. If it means that bilateral tours could impact to a great extent in the coming years, so be it," a former BCCI office-bearer said.

Sums it up really. These people do not have the best interests of cricket at heart.

by **Biltong** Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:14 pm

That pretty much sums up their attitude, but when you think about there seems to be a trend in rugby as well where unions are beginning to look at their own interests at the cost of other unions.

by msp83 Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:56 pm

India 33-1 in 9 overs. Dhawan the man out, bowled by Southee for 12.

by msp83 Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:04 pm

The One Year Wonder is gone, flashing at a wide one from Southee and edging behind for 20.

by msp83 Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:48 pm

India 122-2 in the 23rd over, Kohli has brought up his half-century.

by msp83 Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:53 pm

McClenaghan does it again, produces a wicket from nowhere as Ajinkya Rahane goes for 36. India 127-3.

by msp83 Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:10 pm

India need 138 from 14 overs, they are 149-3 in 28, the game seems to be running away from them at the moment.

by msp83 Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:10 pm

India require 50 of the last 4 overs. MS Dhoni is still there, but this might be too much even for him.......

by **Pal Joey** Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:15 pm

Nice timing msp. He's gone now.

It'd be up to Jadeja now you'd think with Ashwin at the crease.

by **Pal Joey** Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:31 pm

A mighty fine reply from India led by Kohli and Dhoni but unfortunately the D/L target a little too high once those two had gone.

The match is called off with 3 balls to go as the the rain tumbles down.

Well done NZ. clap

They lead the Series 2-0

by KP_fan Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:37 pm

--same problems for India as in the last game and as in the last few games in SA

--opponents inspite of being in check or reasonable check at the start.....breaks cuts lose in the last 10 overs and wheels come off.

--then the India opners do not fire.......eat too many balls for too few.....Rohit in particular

--then the middle order has too much left for too late

--and then the lower order's limitations get exposed against bowling in overseas conditions.

--I would put the blame more on bowling though.....just giving away too many runs.....too many trundlers getting to play for India.
Yadav should have played more in SA and Aaron should be playing here and no need for Ashwin to be in the playing 11

I think India lose their No.1 position with the defeat today.

Indian side with Dhoni's stubbornness in team selection is like the English side.....and Einstien's definitions apply to both teams....." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

by **Pal Joey** Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:41 pm

Being slightly harsh mate but yes, there is an element of truth in what you say.

India let NZ score too freely at the end of their innings and then started scoring slowly in theirs... but still nearly got there.

by msp83 Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:49 pm

Rohit Sharma, Ishant Sharma and R Ashwin will have to go for the next game. Don't see it happening though.

by KP_fan Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:28 pm

msp83 wrote:Rohit Sharma, Ishant Sharma and R Ashwin will have to go for the next game. Don't see it happening though.

well than Dhoni will go.
it's been 5 ODIs on a trott that we have seen the same pattern with no different results

by **Pal Joey** Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:21 pm

Shirely, you can't be serious. Wink

Apart from his selection problems... he's the best player you've got along with Virat.

If you had to drop no more than 2 players for the next game who would they be?

by **Biltong** Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:23 pm

Well, India ahouldn't worry too much, even if their ODI form continues, soon they won't be able to fall further than number three in the rankings. Laugh

by **Pal Joey** Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:29 pm

Biltong wrote:Well, India ahouldn't worry too much, even if their ODI form continues, soon they won't be able to fall further than number three in the rankings.

Number 2 you mean. Don't forget there's England in the 3-pot mix... and apparently they have more internal problems at the moment.

by **Biltong** Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:40 pm

Linebreaker wrote:
Biltong wrote:Well, India ahouldn't worry too much, even if their ODI form continues, soon they won't be able to fall further than number three in the rankings.

Number 2 you mean. Don't forget there's England in the 3-pot mix... and apparently they have more internal problems at the moment.

I suppose for all intent and purposes it doesn't really matter where in the top three you rank, you get the moola's either way. Whistle

by kiakahaaotearoa Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:58 pm

Why didn't they have these 100 K competitions when I was a student? I would've bought that t-shirt, gone to all the games and made it my life mission to catch that ball one handed in the stands. I wouldn't have won any money but it would've been a hell of a lot of fun. That was an incredible catch. Unsighted by the idiot in front, sticks out the paw, and lands softly as you like into the palm. Made it look like it was the easiest thing in the world: http://www.3news.co.nz/Video-Man-makes-another-100000-catch-in-Hamilton-during-Black-Caps-v-India/tabid/415/articleID/329379/Default.aspx

by KP_fan Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:50 pm

this is a great idea and I can bet ya in the coming IPL.......this idea would be rolled out

by KP_fan Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:04 pm

even on the payrolls of BCCI and with instructions not to criticize Dhoni.....Mr. Gavasakar...cannot bear the trauma of watching India repeatedly select Ishant and opens his mouth in a daring move with a lot of risk of irking Srinivasan Very Happy

Team India lost its No. 1 ranking in ODI cricket after a year as Mahendra Singh Dhoni and Co. suffered a second successive loss against New Zealand at Hamilton on Wednesday. Seeing India's dwindling record overseas of late, cricket expert Sunil Gavaskar says that the team may not be playing the right combination.

Former India skipper Gavaskar says he feels that India must get their playing combination right as the current XI comprising of five specialist batsmen and five bowlers is not working. "India need to look at their playing combination if they have to stay in the series. They've already lost their No. 1 ranking after today's defeat. India need to strengthen their batting by playing an extra batsman. Playing five batsmen and five bowlers is not working at the moment," Gavaskar told NDTV, from Hamilton on Wednesday. (Match in pics)

Apart from Ravindra Jadeja, who can bat and the likes of part-time bowlers like Virat Kohli and Suresh Raina, there are very few alternatives that Dhoni can fall back on in order to price out a few quiet overs and the odd wicket. Gavaskar says that the side needs batsmen who can chip in a little more with the ball, thus reiterating the inclusion of Stuart Binny in the line-up.

"Unfortunately, unlike the time when India won the World Cup, when a lot of the batsmen could turn their arms over usefully, like Yuvraj Singh, Virender Sehwag and Sachin Tendulkar, this side does not have useful part-time bowlers who can pick wickets and keep the runs down as well. So India must play someone like a Stuart Binny, who can bat at No.6 and bowl as well," the legendary batsman told in an exclusive chat. (Also read: Dhoni wants openers to take more responsibility)

When asked if the Indian skipper is reluctant to change the combination and try out new players, Gavaskar said that the team management, including coach and selection committee must advice the skipper in such times. "Every captain has a sense of belief about certain players. You need someone strong enough in the management to tell him to make those changes and be more open and flexible in matters of selection. For example there was always a talk that left-arm spinners never flourished under Sourav Ganguly's leadership because he himself would smash them around the park. So a captain may be reluctant regarding a particular player but that is where the selection committee and team management must come into the picture and advice the skipper. In this case the coach and selection committee can argue and convince Dhoni about playing a certain player and trying new alternatives," he said. (Related: McCullum happy to clinch key moments)

The 64-year-old also urged that the benched players must be given a chance to showcase their skills now, keeping in mind the 2015 World Cup. "You have got few players in the squad who haven't got an opportunity to play yet and if you will not give them chances to play now, it will be very difficult for them to answer the call in a crucial match in a World Cup. Someone like Amit Mishra is a tourist. How will you find out if he's good enough to play by not giving him a chance. He may go for the same number of runs that the non-performing spinners are going for, but can still pick up wickets," he added. (Kohli's credentials as run-chase specialist on the rise)

Gavaskar also criticized Ishant Sharma's bowling, who continues to disappoint with expensive bowling. "It was evident today that relatively newer fast bowlers like Mohd Shami and Bhuvneshwar Kumar have worked hard and practiced to bowl yorkers and were getting it right. Whereas someone like an Ishant Sharma, who has been playing for five or six years, fails to bowl a single yorker. Either he is unwilling to learn. If that is the case, you should look at someone else who can keep the runs down. With Ishant giving away too many runs, India are bound to fall behind in the game," he said.

by Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:32 pm

MS Dhoni wrote:Whenever we have played with four fast bowlers, two things happen. One the captain gets banned, two we lose.

by KP_fan Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:38 pm

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:
MS Dhoni wrote:Whenever we have played with four fast bowlers, two things happen. One the captain gets banned, two we lose.

He is as stubborn and as defensive as loaded with agenda....as Flower Sad

by msp83 Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:04 am

R Ashwin needs some time out, and Amit Mishra should be given a chance. Varun Aaron or Ishwar Pandey should come in for Ishant Sharma. Ajinkya Rahane is the only player in the line up who can step up to open, move him up to open, bring Rayudu in at 4 and pack off Rohit Sharma.

by KP_fan Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:09 am

msp83 wrote:R Ashwin needs some time out, and Amit Mishra should be given a chance. Varun Aaron or Ishwar Pandey should come in for Ishant Sharma. Ajinkya Rahane is the only player in the line up who can step up to open, move him up to open, bring Rayudu in at 4 and pack off Rohit Sharma.

if you remove all the loves of his life kiss

...the Sharma(s) and Raina from the 11...Dhoni's heart might stop beating in grief

by msp83 Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:10 am

KP_fan wrote:
msp83 wrote:R Ashwin needs some time out, and Amit Mishra should be given a chance. Varun Aaron or Ishwar Pandey should come in for Ishant Sharma. Ajinkya Rahane is the only player in the line up who can step up to open, move him up to open, bring Rayudu in at 4 and pack off Rohit Sharma.

if you remove all the loves of his life ...the Sharma(s) and Raina from the 11...Dhoni's heart might stop beating in grief

So that's one reason to give Raina another game!!. We need MSD's heart to beat alright!!.

by msp83 Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:11 am

The demand for Cheteshwar Pujara in the ODI side is getting more and more support.
http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/why-not-cheteshwar-pujara/

by ShankyCricket Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:58 am

msp, Ashwin doesn't need just a "bit of time out". He is simply not good enough outside Asia. And with a WC in Aus/NZ 12 months down the line, he'd have to do something remarkable to convince me. Its time to look at other options.
Raina needs to be pensioned off too. Totally agree about Ishant and Nohit though.

by KP_fan Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:06 am

ShankyCricket wrote:msp, Ashwin doesn't need just a "bit of time out". He is simply not good enough outside Asia. And with a WC in Aus/NZ 12 months down the line, he'd have to do something remarkable to convince me. Its time to look at other options.
Raina needs to be pensioned off too. Totally agree about Ishant and Nohit though.

never say never....Kumble was as "useless" overseas as Ashwin for a long time......but he reinvented..and came back potently in the 2nd half of his career

by ShankyCricket Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:49 am

Sure but I won't consider him for the WC next year barring a significant turnaround.

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