The Reason Why Deontay Wilder Won't Step Up

Here's a one minute video that tells you all you need to know about Wilder's chin.


Also note the amount of muscle Deontay has 'gained' since his amateur days.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Jod1NUZZw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Jod1NUZZw

Could be the American David Price. I back Arreola to stop him if they meet

Arreola looked good in his last fight, very good. Looks to have got his head (and training) right and moved up a level. Probs Top5 HW now (not that that means much).

Well, anyone can get KO'd. Even our current HW champion has been put on rubber legs a couple of times.

Saying that, it doesn't exactly build your confidence in Wilder, and I do have suspicions about his chin.

I'd also back Arreloa to beat him at this stage. He's actually not a bad boxer at all. Just needs to up his fitness and not brawl too much.

Thats not Wilder

where are the tats?

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Thats not Wilder

where are the tats?

You know you're not born with them right?

Haha.

Wow, that really is bad though. Price-esque.

Scottrf wrote:

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:Thats not Wilder

where are the tats?

You know you're not born with them right?

Hahahaha spectacular pwning.

Haye's already shown Wilder is susceptible to big punches. However he talks up a future fight with Fury and even tips him to beat Haye which I find strange. Take it Deontay doesn't fancy being beaten up by David for another few months and has now decided to dismiss him despite Haye making his legs wobble on a few occasions.

DAVE667 wrote:Haye's already shown Wilder is susceptible to big punches. However he talks up a future fight with Fury and even tips him to beat Haye which I find strange. Take it Deontay doesn't fancy being beaten up by David for another few months and has now decided to dismiss him despite Haye making his legs wobble on a few occasions.

where did he ever tip fury to win?

i've read many an article with him saying haye will win.

i also read an article that said he tipped fury to win, without using any quotes to back it up.

Check this one out.

This is the level of fighter Wilder built his record on. The fat guy looks like he belongs in a circus freak side show. He then knocks Wilder down with a jab.

Wilders show boating really annoys me.  Only a truly classless tool show boats against this level of opposition.

That opponent is in horrible shape.

The knockdown says nothing about his chin though, he just stumbled over.

Terrible I just watched the first few seconds of that.

I recognise that guy from my local.

Scottrf wrote:That opponent is in horrible shape.

The knockdown says nothing about his chin though, he just stumbled over.

A left jab led to the stumble.

Only because he didn't have his footing right and was trying to back away. Come on.

Further - that amateur fight was after he had only about 20 fights or so. He has one of the fastest amateur fights to Olympic medals ratio and when he started as a pro his balance was truly woeful.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying he is the greatest HW ever - but criticising him for stumbling when off balance and losing as a very green amateur is a bit harsh. I accept, however - he probably doesn't have a chin for the ages

So Scott the fat lad should have checked to see Wilders footing was secure before he punched him?

I'm not saying Wilder was dazed but he did hit the canvas after being hit with a punch.


I remember Jimmy Hill trying to tell Alan Hansen a genuine penalty wasn't a penalty because although the defender kicked the forward he "did not have intent in his eyes".

We're not arguing it's not a knockdown, it's simply not evidence of a weak chin.

Scottrf wrote:We're not arguing it's not a knockdown, it's simply not evidence of a weak chin.

Fair enough.

The great heavyweight Harold Sconiers also decked Wilder.

The reason Muhammad Ali will never go on to be great champion.

Rowley wrote:

The reason Muhammad Ali will never go on to be great champion.

Where's London Ring Rules when you need him... 

Rowley wrote:

The reason Muhammad Ali will never go on to be great champion.

Up in 3 and makes mince meat of Henry's face in the next round!!!


Surly we are not comparing Deontay to one of the best chins in heavyweight history. Maybe a comparison to Chuvalo is next.

Wilder was knocked sparko by a light heavyweight Russian goat farmer that nobody has ever heard of again.


Better still can somebody give me another explanation as to Wilder's fear of fighting an opponent who will punch him.

Seem's to me he's holding out for one big pay day against Wlad before he gets found out.

oxring wrote:Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying he is the greatest HW ever - but criticising him for stumbling when off balance and losing as a very green amateur is a bit harsh.  I accept, however - he probably doesn't have a chin for the ages

Was enough for some to lay into Price.......

Also, the Nichols fall is harsh, but getting so easily dropped and jelly-legged in the amateurs with pillow gloves and headguards is a genuine cause for concern. Can't put muscles on a chin, as they say, so that's an issue as relevant now as then.

Wasn't comparing him to Ali in any way shape or form. Was making the point, albeit flippantly, that had we had forums and mass media in 1963 arguments such as this would have been put forward about Ali and his career did not pan out too badly.

I am far from sold on Wilder but am willing to see how things develop before I dismiss him. As others have alluded to he had a very brief amateur career and given we operate in out of the most fallow periods ever for heavies once one or more of the Klitschko's exit the stage it ain't exactly going to require you to be Ali to make an impression.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

oxring wrote:Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying he is the greatest HW ever - but criticising him for stumbling when off balance and losing as a very green amateur is a bit harsh.  I accept, however - he probably doesn't have a chin for the ages

Was enough for some to lay into Price.......

Also, the Nichols fall is harsh, but getting so easily dropped and jelly-legged in the amateurs with pillow gloves and headguards is a genuine cause for concern.  Can't put muscles on a chin, as they say, so that's an issue as relevant now as then.

I don't recall "laying into" Price.

I wouldn't "lay into" Wilder's chin either - they are in very similar positions. Wilder had not had many fights prior to that KO by a Russian light heavyweight goat herder. Anyone can be knocked out if their balance is wrong and they get caught clean - ESPECIALLY at heavyweight.

He probably does have a dodgy chin. He also hits quite hard and is mobile and athletic. We have never seen him box, really - and in the long term - I'd take the talent of Joshua over 2 Wilder's every day. That said - his mobility and power could cause anybody problems.

That's why I said 'some' not 'you'.

Principally it was Azania, but some others also.

Maybe I'm too quick off the mark, but they didn't look big punches, or that he was just unlucky to get caught flush or off balance.

TopHat24/7 wrote:That's why I said 'some' not 'you'.

Principally it was Azania, but some others also.

Maybe I'm too quick off the mark, but they didn't look big punches, or that he was just unlucky to get caught flush or off balance.

I have a feeling that in between 6 months and a year you will prove to have been correct in your predictions. I am merely reluctant to write off the greatest hope the HW division has in the USA based on the 5th time he ever entered a boxing ring.

The reason he won't step up is because it makes good business sense not to.......end of !!

I know it's fashionable to have a pop at him because he's American but any sensible heavyweight is going to wait the Klits out.......One year maybe two........

Win an ABC and defend on HBO (He is American) for maybe 5 million bucks a go...

I'd be handling him the same way..........

He's a great asset...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The reason he won't step up is because it makes good business sense not to.......end of !!

Well, yeah. The reason why he's not stepping up because it makes good business sense not to, the reason why it's good business sense is because of what we saw in that video.

So what ??????.....Okay for Frankie Bruno to fight cheese..

I heard from somewhere when Haye was questioned about his sparing with Wilder, someone told Haye we all know Wilder has power, but can he take a shot? Haye was meant to have replied.. "oh he can take a shot" ... Think I heard it of Spencer Fearon on a sky podcast..

tunes666 wrote:I heard from somewhere when Haye was questioned about his sparing with Wilder, someone told Haye we all know Wilder has power, but can he take a shot? Haye was meant to have replied.. "oh he can take a shot" ... Think I heard it of Spencer Fearon on a sky podcast..

He's going to say nice stuff about his 'team' though. If you look hard enough, you'll probably find him saying that Richard Towers is good somewhere.

djlovesyou wrote:

tunes666 wrote:I heard from somewhere when Haye was questioned about his sparing with Wilder, someone told Haye we all know Wilder has power, but can he take a shot? Haye was meant to have replied.. "oh he can take a shot" ... Think I heard it of Spencer Fearon on a sky podcast..

He's going to say nice stuff about his 'team' though. If you look hard enough, you'll probably find him saying that Richard Towers is good somewhere.

No this was not to the press it was what Fearon said he heard through a friend. And to be fair even if the video of Wilder and Haye sparing Haye caught Wilder clean a couple times and although it looked to bother Wilder he reacted ok, and landed a few of his own..

look from 1.05 on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7rhzS1rlOk

Looks like he takes some clean shots, and if anything his flaws look to be by swinging and leaving him self open more then how he reacts to getting hit.

tunes666 wrote:

djlovesyou wrote:

tunes666 wrote:I heard from somewhere when Haye was questioned about his sparing with Wilder, someone told Haye we all know Wilder has power, but can he take a shot? Haye was meant to have replied.. "oh he can take a shot" ... Think I heard it of Spencer Fearon on a sky podcast..

He's going to say nice stuff about his 'team' though. If you look hard enough, you'll probably find him saying that Richard Towers is good somewhere.

No this was not to the press it was what Fearon said he heard through a friend.  And to be fair even if the video of Wilder and Haye sparing Haye caught Wilder clean a couple times and although it looked to bother Wilder he reacted ok, and landed a few of his own..

look from 1.05 on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7rhzS1rlOk

Looks like he takes some clean shots, and if anything his flaws look to be by swinging and leaving him self open more then how he reacts to getting hit.

From that very short video wilder looks like he wouldn't last 5 rounds with haye, Wilder is missing his shots wildly and getting countered flush in the face.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:So what ??????.....Okay for Frankie Bruno to fight cheese..

Frankie Bruno had less fights than Wilder has now when he had already faced Tyson, Bonecrusher, Witherspoon, Tilles, Coetzee and others people have heard of.

The best opponent Wilder has had is a shot Audley. That means 30 fights and nothing to report.

Bruno never fought anybody with a pulse till it was for a world title........

Smith was an easy night.......that went wrong..

Tillis was washed up and and so was Coetzee........

James Tillis for FFs

Still a darn sight better than anything Wilder has faced, Coetzee and Smith are miles ahead of the likes of Harrison.

Smith was a mistake............

Coetzee had been hammered by Weaver, Tate........Page and god knows who else.........
and that was before 86..........

Tillis was 5-6-1 in his last 12 before bruno.........   

That's not the point here is it Truss, the point is that Wilders opponents have been even worse than that.

My point is aimed at strongy............Coetzee lost to snipes.........

Imagine Audley beats Tillis.............and probably Coetzee in 86...........

I'll tell you what the point is.......

I doubt Harrison beats either of them Truss, he takes being an average british heavyweight to a whole new level.

I'm just pointing out.........That other heavyweights have been a little short of top experience when they have fought for the title..

James Tillis 5-6-1.........He can do better than that.......

Strongy should watch Page-Coetzee..........

Don't know what it is about the American Wilder that means he can't do the same....

Tyson fought stiffs.............

Let's just not change history.........

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Tillis was 5-6-1 in his last 12 before bruno.........   

Which, contrary to your intention, actually re-emphasises the embarrassment that is Wilder's career to date as that Tillis is STILL better than anything Wilder has thought in 30 fights!!

Not when he fought Bruno........

Yes, when he fought Bruno.

You must be looking at Wilder's career through rose, or should I say greenback, tinted spectacles.

Tillis was 36-11-1, coming in with a record of 3-2-1. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he was GOOD, I'm pointing out he was no more TERRIBLE than any of Wilder's opponents.

Most of those tillis defeats were to top opposition, he was a benchmark fighter for the 80's heavies. The Bruno fight was less than a year after he gave Tyson a scare.

Take your point that protected fighters are nothing new, but wilder is pushing it a bit. He's getting to Joe mesi levels.

Joe Bugner just before Bruno............An old tired Bugner..........

Tillis was 30-11-1 when he fought Bruno.........

Audley was 30-6 when he fought Wilder..

Audley beats the non punching Tillis easily If Bugner could in 86 !!!

We all know Audley has the ability to beat that Tillis.

But equally the unbiased among us know it wouldn't happen, as it never does with Fraudley.