Should Britain really be asking for CSKA Moscow to be banned ??

I notice that people are asking for the referee in the City game to be banned and CSKA to be thrown out of Europe.......I'm a City fan and I find it amusing the double standard............

All I hear Is that "we" still have a racism problem int he UK at football grounds..........In the last year or two we've seen John Terry the England captain found guilty on a racism charge......

We've seen anti-sematic behaviour at West Ham.............

As soon as another Country does something naughty well that's it!! Ban them..........

I love Britain....... but It's always everybody elses fault..

My opinion let him without sin cast the first stone.......

Remember the World championships when the 400 relay team cheated "Let's hope they don't notice"....Gabby Yorath..

Get your house in order before you moan about anybody else..........The persecution complex don't wash.

Russia have a severe racism problem. One of the largest supporters groups of Zenit want all non-white, and non-straight people to be excluded from their club.

In the UK, racism is now in the tiny, tiny minority.

The only people who I've heard want the referee banned, is the chairman of kick it out. I certainly don't think the referee should be banned.

Get your own house in order? We have. English football, and all of Britain, has completely changed in the last 30-40 years with regards to race - for the better.

There is still a problem in this country. for me the hypocrisy is more about how we tell players how to behave when the crowds get away with far worse. But I for one feel we should be concentrating on the abuse at football matches in general rather than just race. One match I attended a few years ago 'fans' were shouting abuse at a ball girl. I would never contemplate taking my nephews to a football match in this country. The thing is most language is still acceptable in our grounds yet when the Olympics were on they kicked people out for swearing because the world was watching. If they could do it for one occasion why should we have to go to games and have to hear such disgusting bile for 90 odd minutes?

This doesn't however take away from the fact that some countries in the east of Europe are as bad as it was over here in the 70's and 80's. Just because we still have problems shouldn't stop other countries getting punished.

The lack of freedom of speech and equality is the main reason Russia should never have been given the World Cup. FIFA are pretty much telling countries it doesn't matter how they and their people behave they still have a chance of getting a world event.

It'll be in the middle east next...

I don't follow football but I heard about this on the news and read an interesting article about the incident on the BBC

Spoiler:

The bit I found interesting, and particularly the bit in bold, was this;

"Having carefully studied the video of the game, we found no racist insults from fans of CSKA.

"In many occasions, especially during attacks on our goal, fans booed and whistled to put pressure on rival players, but regardless of their race.

"In particular, this happened with Alvaro Negredo and Edin Dzeko. Why the Ivorian midfielder took it as all being directed at him is not clear."

That is from the CSKA statement.  Does anyone else find it slightly odd that their official statement calls him "the Ivorian midfielder" rather than Yaya Toure?  Why name the other two white players yet label the black player by his nationality.

As I say, I don't follow football at all so don't really know the history/background/precedent but it just seemed a strange terminology in a club statement?

Does anyone else find that strange or am I looking for something that isn't really there?

To be fair, people were banned for the anti semitism at west ham, john Terry was taken to court, Mikel all ends of stick for his false racism claims and Suarez banned. And all these things got more. media coverage. In so much as people think there were thousands of west ham fans burning Jewish art or something, rather than a few token idiots.

We don't exactly hide from admonishing racists here, I think your negativity towards our own country is blinding things. Especially as even if we had been lenient with "our own" problems, we shouldn't math that to others backwards, we should be like we have been with this incident across a wider scale

Even Rio got fined for black on black racism.

As said above there's bigger issues in the crowds in this country. Sexism, homophobia, and last year in Scotland a Hibs fan caught a ball in the crowd at Hearts, when the Hearts 10 year old ball boy asked for the ball the fan spat in his face.

I don't think the Spurs fans getting arrested for chanting yid army is fair. It's something that Spurs fans have done forever. I agree with rival fans being stopped doing it because that's when it's actually used as offence but I think they should leave Spurs fans alone.

Eden Hazard kicked a ball boy too, clearly we should let the racist abuse in Russia continue.

The ball boy made a meal of it and you know it, Azzy. I'm not defending what Eden did but the ball boy was a little bar steward.

I'm not advocating Russia to carry on.

I was being sarcastic, Truss is basically saying that we shouldn't stop black players being racially abused in another country because:

- John Terry was given a 4 game ban for on-the-field racist abuse
- West Ham fans are supposedly anti-semitic (I don't remember that)
- Athletes cheated once (as if...)

It's like saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because we're not entitled to the Falklands or Gibraltar.

Racist abuse anywhere in the world should be combated, thwarted, and punished. In CSKA's case, a ban from European competition and a season behind closed doors should do the trick.

Azzy Mahmood wrote:I was being sarcastic, Truss is basically saying that we shouldn't stop black players being racially abused in another country because:

- John Terry was given a 4 game ban for on-the-field racist abuse
- West Ham fans are supposedly anti-semitic (I don't remember that)
- Athletes cheated once (as if...)

It's like saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because we're not entitled to the Falklands or Gibraltar.

Racist abuse anywhere in the world should be combated, thwarted, and punished. In CSKA's case, a ban from European competition and a season behind closed doors should do the trick.

What evidence is there that CSKA fans were racist? As far as I can tell yaya toure felt he was the victim of racism because the fans booed him. You can't say it is racism when opposition facs boo an opposition player.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I notice that people are asking for the referee in the City game to be banned and CSKA to be thrown out of Europe.......I'm a City fan and I find it amusing the double standard............

All I hear Is that "we" still have a racism problem int he UK at football grounds..........In the last year or two we've seen John Terry the England captain found guilty on a racism charge......

We've seen anti-sematic behaviour at West Ham.............

As soon as another Country does something naughty well that's it!!  Ban them..........

I love Britain....... but It's always everybody elses fault..

My opinion let him without sin cast the first stone.......

Remember the World championships when the 400 relay team cheated "Let's hope they don't notice"....Gabby Yorath..

Get your house in order before you moan about anybody else..........The persecution complex don't wash.

That was disgraceful and received criticism.

an American criticising us for cheating in a 400m relay?! Crystal Cox, Antonio Pettigrew spring to mind?

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Azzy Mahmood wrote:I was being sarcastic, Truss is basically saying that we shouldn't stop black players being racially abused in another country because:

- John Terry was given a 4 game ban for on-the-field racist abuse
- West Ham fans are supposedly anti-semitic (I don't remember that)
- Athletes cheated once (as if...)

It's like saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because we're not entitled to the Falklands or Gibraltar.

Racist abuse anywhere in the world should be combated, thwarted, and punished. In CSKA's case, a ban from European competition and a season behind closed doors should do the trick.

What evidence is there that CSKA fans were racist? As far as I can tell yaya toure felt he was the victim of racism because the fans booed him. You can't say it is racism when opposition facs boo an opposition player.

Predictable response. Only thing not clear is whether it's your love of all things Russian or defence of all things racist.......??

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Azzy Mahmood wrote:I was being sarcastic, Truss is basically saying that we shouldn't stop black players being racially abused in another country because:

- John Terry was given a 4 game ban for on-the-field racist abuse
- West Ham fans are supposedly anti-semitic (I don't remember that)
- Athletes cheated once (as if...)

It's like saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because we're not entitled to the Falklands or Gibraltar.

Racist abuse anywhere in the world should be combated, thwarted, and punished. In CSKA's case, a ban from European competition and a season behind closed doors should do the trick.

What evidence is there that CSKA fans were racist? As far as I can tell yaya toure felt he was the victim of racism because the fans booed him. You can't say it is racism when opposition facs boo an opposition player.

The situation must be investigated because Toure has made an allegation.  

The difficulty here for UEFA, is the same as it is in any place where there is a developed legal system which recognises a need to deal with discrimination of any sort, and that is, it is that, if Toure considers the abuse he received to be racist, then UEFA must take appropriate action.  Offence is in the ear of the offended party.

Now, 'appropriate' action does not mean they take his word for it without question.  What they must do is obtain as much evidence as possible, examine it thoroughly and apply their definitions of what constitutes racist behaviour.  if CSKA are found to have broken UEFA's rules, then punitive action should be taken, if not, the case should be dismissed.  That's how it works.

The thing is......  What constitutes offence is in the ear of the beholder.  What one person feels is racist, another person may call <ahem> 'harmless banter' .  It is a definite grey area and one where not everybody is going to be happy.   There will be winners and losers.  It is a fact of life that you can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

If (and it's a big 'if') CSKA are found guilty of anything, then in my opinion they should be made to play all their remaining games at a neutral venue, outside of Russia for the remainder of the tournament.  It's no good playing behind closed doors at their own home ground, or at another venue inside Russia because black players would still be subjected to racist abuse wherever they go in that country, either about town or at training grounds or wherever.

Making them play outside Russia would send out the message that it is their country that has a social problem, not just one club, and that needs to be dealt with by the Russian FA as a whole.  Other clubs inside Russia would know that they're not above the rules.

If UEFA are serious about dealing with racism, and not just paying it lip service, they must fair and even handed, but must punish wrongdoers firmly.

The Fourth Lion wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Azzy Mahmood wrote:I was being sarcastic, Truss is basically saying that we shouldn't stop black players being racially abused in another country because:

- John Terry was given a 4 game ban for on-the-field racist abuse
- West Ham fans are supposedly anti-semitic (I don't remember that)
- Athletes cheated once (as if...)

It's like saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because we're not entitled to the Falklands or Gibraltar.

Racist abuse anywhere in the world should be combated, thwarted, and punished. In CSKA's case, a ban from European competition and a season behind closed doors should do the trick.

What evidence is there that CSKA fans were racist? As far as I can tell yaya toure felt he was the victim of racism because the fans booed him. You can't say it is racism when opposition facs boo an opposition player.

The situation must be investigated because Toure has made an allegation.  

The difficulty here for UEFA, is the same as it is in any place where there is a developed legal system which recognises a need to deal with discrimination of any sort, and that is, it is that, if Toure considers the abuse he received to be racist, then UEFA must take appropriate action.  Offence is in the ear of the offended party.

Now, 'appropriate' action does not mean they take his word for it without question.  What they must do is obtain as much evidence as possible, examine it thoroughly and apply their definitions of what constitutes racist behaviour.  if CSKA are found to have broken UEFA's rules, then punitive action should be taken, if not, the case should be dismissed.  That's how it works.

The thing is......  What constitutes offence is in the ear of the beholder.  What one person feels is racist, another person may call <ahem> 'harmless banter' .  It is a definite grey area and one where not everybody is going to be happy.   There will be winners and losers.  It is a fact of life that you can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

If (and it's a big 'if') CSKA are found guilty of anything, then in my opinion they should be made to play all their remaining games at a neutral venue, outside of Russia for the remainder of the tournament.  It's no good playing behind closed doors at their own home ground, or at another venue inside Russia because black players would still be subjected to racist abuse wherever they go in that country, either about town or at training grounds or wherever.

Making them play outside Russia would send out the message that it is their country that has a social problem, not just one club, and that needs to be dealt with by the Russian FA as a whole.  Other clubs inside Russia would know that they're not above the rules.

If UEFA are serious about dealing with racism, and not just paying it lip service, they must fair and even handed, but must punish wrongdoers firmly.

If I am correct Toure feels he was the victim of racism because he was booed more than the other Man City players. No way can we just say that it is racism that caused the booing.

To me it looks like on the evidence that Toure is the one being racist. He obviously has a negative view of Russian people and because they booed him he automatically presumed it was due to racism. Toure is the one stereotyping Russian people as racists, which is a racist thing to do.

Let there be an investigation where all the evidence can be viewed before people start jumping to conclusions. Innocent until proven guilty is a fundamental aspect of a democracy.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Azzy Mahmood wrote:I was being sarcastic, Truss is basically saying that we shouldn't stop black players being racially abused in another country because:

- John Terry was given a 4 game ban for on-the-field racist abuse
- West Ham fans are supposedly anti-semitic (I don't remember that)
- Athletes cheated once (as if...)

It's like saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because we're not entitled to the Falklands or Gibraltar.

Racist abuse anywhere in the world should be combated, thwarted, and punished. In CSKA's case, a ban from European competition and a season behind closed doors should do the trick.

What evidence is there that CSKA fans were racist? As far as I can tell yaya toure felt he was the victim of racism because the fans booed him. You can't say it is racism when opposition facs boo an opposition player.

Predictable response.  Only thing not clear is whether it's your love of all things Russian or defence of all things racist.......??

You really have to stop turning debates into petty arguments and personal insults, threads just get locked and sections get closed. Twice today on two seperate threads you have tried to start a petty argument by turning the debate personal. Debate the issue at hand instead of throwing around personal insults, if you can't do that then don't comment.

So essentially, its only definitely racist if he is pelted with Bananas? By that reasoning, it's only GBH if you're on your deathbed?

kingraf wrote:So essentially, its only definitely racist if he is pelted with Bananas? By that reasoning, it's only GBH if you're on your deathbed?

It is racist if they targeted him because of the colour of his skin, at the moment there is no evidence that they even targeted him let alone because it was due to the colour if his skin.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

kingraf wrote:So essentially, its only definitely racist if he is pelted with Bananas? By that reasoning, it's only GBH if you're on your deathbed?

It is racist if they targeted him because of the colour of his skin, at the moment there is no evidence that they even targeted him let alone because it was due to the colour if his skin.

I agree with CS on this one. The difficulty for UEFA here, is proving that the abuse (if indeed there was any directly aimed at Toure specifically) was motivated because of Toure's colour and that would need video or sound recording evidence to back up his claim.

Toure claimed that he had been subjected to monkey grunts being aimed at him. That may well have happened, but was it caught on the recordings..? There's the rub.

If, for instance, monkey grunts were picked up on the soundtrack, or the video shows fans making gestures of apelike behaviour (although it could be argued that this is normal activity for some football supporters) then UEFA may be able to make a case. If not, well, the perpetrators may just get away with it.

Annoying, isn't it..?

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Azzy Mahmood wrote:I was being sarcastic, Truss is basically saying that we shouldn't stop black players being racially abused in another country because:

- John Terry was given a 4 game ban for on-the-field racist abuse
- West Ham fans are supposedly anti-semitic (I don't remember that)
- Athletes cheated once (as if...)

It's like saying that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq because we're not entitled to the Falklands or Gibraltar.

Racist abuse anywhere in the world should be combated, thwarted, and punished. In CSKA's case, a ban from European competition and a season behind closed doors should do the trick.

What evidence is there that CSKA fans were racist? As far as I can tell yaya toure felt he was the victim of racism because the fans booed him. You can't say it is racism when opposition facs boo an opposition player.

Predictable response.  Only thing not clear is whether it's your love of all things Russian or defence of all things racist.......??

You really have to stop turning debates into petty arguments and personal insults, threads just get locked and sections get closed. Twice today on two seperate threads you have tried to start a petty argument by turning the debate personal. Debate the issue at hand instead of throwing around personal insults, if you can't do that then don't comment.

I am debating the issue, not my fault your contributions are so painfully predictable.

Basically it's you, the Ruskies, and maybe some the BNP and EDL lot that don't think there was anything racist occurring that night. Fine company you keep there.

That's another personal insult TopHat - you're just proving his point.

Don't really care tbh, Duty.

Whenever anything happens to do with either racism or the Russians/Eastern Europeans you don't have to wait long before C_S comes on to defend/support/excuse them. It's tedious and predictable and frankly, if someone wants to take that attitude about something as serious as racism then they can't cry foul when someone picks them up on it.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Don't really care tbh, Duty.

Whenever anything happens to do with either racism or the Russians/Eastern Europeans you don't have to wait long before C_S comes on to defend/support/excuse them.  It's tedious and predictable and frankly, if someone wants to take that attitude about something as serious as racism then they can't cry foul when someone picks them up on it.

Your personal attacks are boring, and it is not good for the board. You are turning into AZ where you feel the need to always throw an insult around. It ruins threads and does not create a good example for the board.

I have always argued for the rule of law to be applied in all cases and just because the case is about racism does not mean we should not look at the evidence and just brand the alleged culprit as guilty because someone has made an accusation.

We live in a democracy where everyone is innocent until proven guilty and one can only be proven guilty if the prosecution has proven their guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

You may be happy to brand the cska fans behaviour last week as racist just because toure said so but that is not good enough for me, I want evidence of what happened eg cctv or microphone evidence or witness statements, I want that evidence examined and I want the defence to have the right to explain their actions and defend themselves. Only when all that evidence is in place can a neutral panel examine all of it and then come to a conclusion based on whether or not the evidence proves beyond all reasonable doubt that the cska fans targeted toure and that they targeted him due to racist motives.

Maybe I was watching a different game then when there were monkey chants every time the black player got on the ball........

TopHat24/7 wrote:Maybe I was watching a different game then when there were monkey chants every time the black player got on the ball........

If there was any monkey chanting that would be included as evidence by toure's legal team to prove his case.

Yeh, because it's impossible to just hear that with your ears.....

Don't worry, not surprised at your eagerness to hide behind technicalities and general ostriching, hopefully UEFA will do the right thing (though I doubt it as history shows they're as indifferent about it as you).

TopHat24/7 wrote:Yeh, because it's impossible to just hear that with your ears.....

Don't worry, not surprised at your eagerness to hide behind technicalities and general ostriching, hopefully UEFA will do the right thing (though I doubt it as history shows they're as indifferent about it as you).

post the minute of the game you heard the chanting, or the rough time.

no, that's ok, I'll follow your lead of never backing up what you say or providing any evidence. From memory it was your attitude that it was for others that didn't believe/agree with you to do the running around researching. So, well, there you go, right back at ya kid......

Well CSKA will have part of their stadium closed for their next Champions League game. A joke of a punishment, but as it has been handed out, I think we can presume "guilty" was the verdict of UEFA.

Should Britain really be asking for CSKA Moscow to be banned ??

Hell yeah, how else are my beloved Liverpool going to get into Europe?

Duty281 wrote:Well CSKA will have part of their stadium closed for their next Champions League game. A joke of a punishment, but as it has been handed out, I think we can presume "guilty" was the verdict of UEFA.

1. Is that confirmed then?

2. By 'joke' do you mean too harsh or too soft?

1) Yes, according to tbe BBC, UEFA have ordered a "partial closure".

2) Too soft. It's not even a proper punishment. One single-tiered section closed is all it is. Give 'em a fine stretching into the millions, and ban them from the Champions League and Europa League next season. That might work.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Well CSKA will have part of their stadium closed for their next Champions League game. A joke of a punishment, but as it has been handed out, I think we can presume "guilty" was the verdict of UEFA.

1. Is that confirmed then?

2. By 'joke' do you mean too harsh or too soft?

Decent punishment ...if it's the pitch that closed!

TopHat24/7 wrote:no, that's ok, I'll follow your lead of never backing up what you say or providing any evidence.  From memory it was your attitude that it was for others that didn't believe/agree with you to do the running around researching. So, well, there you go, right back at ya kid......

Be honest you never heard any monkey chants which is why you can't back it up, you probably never even watched the game.

They can close off the section but the fans there for the City game can buy tickets for elsewhere in the stadium.

Once again UEFA spit in the face of anti racism campaigners with yet another ridiculously lenient punishment.

DAVE667 wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Well CSKA will have part of their stadium closed for their next Champions League game. A joke of a punishment, but as it has been handed out, I think we can presume "guilty" was the verdict of UEFA.

1. Is that confirmed then?

2. By 'joke' do you mean too harsh or too soft?

Decent punishment ...if it's the pitch that closed!

The funny thing is that this punishment actually hurts man city. CSKA are at home to bayern in their next game (bayern and man city are battling to be group winners) and it is that game which cska will have fewer fans attending due to the ban.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:no, that's ok, I'll follow your lead of never backing up what you say or providing any evidence.  From memory it was your attitude that it was for others that didn't believe/agree with you to do the running around researching. So, well, there you go, right back at ya kid......

Be honest you never heard any monkey chants which is why you can't back it up, you probably never even watched the game.

Was all over the news, not exactly hard, unless ostriching like you are.....

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:no, that's ok, I'll follow your lead of never backing up what you say or providing any evidence.  From memory it was your attitude that it was for others that didn't believe/agree with you to do the running around researching. So, well, there you go, right back at ya kid......

Be honest you never heard any monkey chants which is why you can't back it up, you probably never even watched the game.

Was all over the news, not exactly hard, unless ostriching like you are.....

You never watched the game and you never heard any abuse.

Lol this is much more fun just being you and repeating stuff ad nauseum but refusing to back it up.

How does the other side of the coin feel?

TopHat24/7 wrote:Lol this is much more fun just being you and repeating stuff ad nauseum but refusing to back it up.

How does the other side of the coin feel?

You really do love my attention, ever since I posted that video where you saw what I look like you have been searching for my attention like a puppy dog. If you fancy me then control yourself.

Once again post some proof that there was monkey chants, I know you never watche dthe game hence why you can't post proof.

Here is a video that the news said was the racist abuse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vufTgg3Mrzs I don't see any monkey chants.

Do you still think people convert to islam because all muslims hate Jews? Remember you said that lol

Type in "Yaya Toure Racism" on youtube, second video down - there's the evidence you require.

Duty281 wrote:Type in "Yaya Toure Racism" on youtube, second video down - there's the evidence you require.

Firstly that is proof you never even watched the game and you just found that video now to try and back your point up.

secondly I already posted that video and there are no monkey chants, it is just football fans clapping their hands like what happens at every game in every country.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Type in "Yaya Toure Racism" on youtube, second video down - there's the evidence you require.

Firstly that is proof you never even watched the game and you just found that video now to try and back your point up.

secondly I already posted that video and there are no monkey chants, it is just football fans clapping their hands like what happens at every game in every country.

Correct, I didn't watch the game in question. Then, I never said I did. I heard about the racism by reading about it on the internet, and then SSN showed a clip of it - which is what I just linked you to.

And come now, you can clearly hear some monkey noises on that video.

I saw a bit on sky sports news.

It sounded very much like monkey noises to me.

( not taking sides, just my opinion).

Duty281 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Type in "Yaya Toure Racism" on youtube, second video down - there's the evidence you require.

Firstly that is proof you never even watched the game and you just found that video now to try and back your point up.

secondly I already posted that video and there are no monkey chants, it is just football fans clapping their hands like what happens at every game in every country.

Correct, I didn't watch the game in question. Then, I never said I did. I heard about the racism by reading about it on the internet, and then SSN showed a clip of it - which is what I just linked you to.

And come now, you can clearly hear some monkey noises on that video.

oops sorry I thought tophat posted that comment which is why I said about not watching it.

I don't see any monkey noises I just see fans clapping and making noise like at every game. The sound of the video is not clear but a major reason why I don't think it is monkey chants is because no one is doing any monkey actions with their body which is what happenes whenever people make monkey chants.

i watched the game in question but the thing is with this football malarkey they normally concentrate on that round ball being kicked around that big green thing. i tried looking in the crowd but pretty restricted because those pesky camera men were more interested in football would you believe?!

but since then SSN have shown few videos where you can distinctively hear monkey noises, and uefa have punished them for it. whats left to argue here?!

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:Lol this is much more fun just being you and repeating stuff ad nauseum but refusing to back it up.

How does the other side of the coin feel?

You really do love my attention, ever since I posted that video where you saw what I look like you have been searching for my attention like a puppy dog. If you fancy me then control yourself.

Once again post some proof that there was monkey chants, I know you never watche dthe game hence why you can't post proof.

Here is a video that the news said was the racist abuse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vufTgg3Mrzs I don't see any monkey chants.

Do you still think people convert to islam because all muslims hate Jews? Remember you said that lol

Why should I offer a courtesy to you which you've never extended to other's on this forum??

Nah, no thanks.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Type in "Yaya Toure Racism" on youtube, second video down - there's the evidence you require.

Firstly that is proof you never even watched the game and you just found that video now to try and back your point up.

secondly I already posted that video and there are no monkey chants, it is just football fans clapping their hands like what happens at every game in every country.

Correct, I didn't watch the game in question. Then, I never said I did. I heard about the racism by reading about it on the internet, and then SSN showed a clip of it - which is what I just linked you to.

And come now, you can clearly hear some monkey noises on that video.

oops sorry I thought tophat posted that comment which is why I said about not watching it.

I don't see any monkey noises I just see fans clapping and making noise like at every game. The sound of the video is not clear but a major reason why I don't think it is monkey chants is because no one is doing any monkey actions with their body which is what happenes whenever people make monkey chants.

you wouldn't see monkey noises, no your right. perhaps that's your problem. perhaps if you listened for them you might have better luck

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Type in "Yaya Toure Racism" on youtube, second video down - there's the evidence you require.

Firstly that is proof you never even watched the game and you just found that video now to try and back your point up.

Hahaha what a wonderful catch-22 argument, are you Samantha Brick?

Someone provides you the proof you ask for and you use it to say it's actually just proof they lied about watching the game.

Where, dear fellow, is the motivation therefore for anyone to bother acquiescing to your snotty requests?