Manny Pac - Broner or bust ???

Consensus has it that he's lost 3/4 including one trashing to JMM.........Before that he lost to Bradley..contentious or not........That's 0- 2 (1)..

In the past year or so he's slipped from being level with Mayweather in the alltime stakes...........

Here is the juice...............Floyd won't accept 50/50 for this guy.........Arum thinks Manny is worth it......Maybe once but not now !!

So Mayweather is out...........

JMM rightly wants an equal share for destroying him................Manny doesn't think he's worth it.........JMM is out........

Khan is honing in on Floyd.............and not a legacy inducing win anymore........Garcia is waiting in line also.

Bradley is boring and doesn't sell...............Which leaves Mr BRONER..............Now in anybody's language BRONER v PAC is tasty........Yes I know there is promoter division............But both parties will think they can win this fight and for Broner ...Manny can shoot him into the superstar stakes.........and for Manny it's huge and gets him back to the top and maybe a top 20 alltime place..If he's not there already.......

For me........It's Broner or bust for Manny.............

He's fighting Rios, who is better than Broner and a more exciting fight.

You can't say the consensus is that he's lost 3 when one of those includes a 'win' over Marquez while ignoring his 'loss' to Bradley.

I agree scotty but Rios is coming off a loss Mate.......hardly enhancing to a legacy or a way of getting to the top of the game.....

Broner is the up and coming star...........would be a great win.......

A lot in it for both boys.........redemption or a place in the top stakes in Broner's case..

I mentioned his loss to Bradley was contentious.........and I mentioned he'd only lost two of his last fights in stead of four or so.........

I don't think Broner would risk a fight with Pac but just imagine the bragging rights Broner would have if he did beat him....

intriguing fight Truss, I'd definitely watch it if it was ever made

I don't think Broner adds that much at the moment honestly. I don't think he's particularly established, potential rather than achievement. Although he has had some fair wins, nothing much that gives him massive credibility as a Pacquiao opponent. Not a terrible matchup, but I don't think legacy defining either.

Just think with JMM wanting 50/50..........and Arum wanting same for Floyd.........

Broner is a 50/50 fight at 140.........and a big win for both.......

Mouth watering...........

Scottrf wrote:I don't think Broner adds that much at the moment honestly. I don't think he's particularly established, potential rather than achievement. Although he has had some fair wins, nothing much that gives him massive credibility as a Pacquiao opponent. Not a terrible matchup, but I don't think legacy defining either.

I regard Broner in a similar light to a pre-Mcrory ..Curry..........The obvious heir apparent............

A better win than Alvarez.......for sure it pains me to say.

Yeh i agree Truss would be a mouth watering fight with sim bad blood in the build up with Broner constantly referencing Floyd at every opportunity to get under pacquiaos skin.

More importantly, who would win?!

Id pick Broner via UD for now, but depends on how Manny looks against Rios.

Manny has always struggled with a technically sound boxer/counter puncher and Broner is very good at that.

Who knows, would be good.

Good shout.

Danger is that if Manny beats Broner, Broner then gets relegated to "hype-job" just like Alvarez did post-Mayweather. Those wishing to slate Manny will cite Broner as "hype" or "green" or look at his bloated frame in the Access All Areas shows and suggest he lacks dedication.

Manny supporters will view it as some kind of giant killing feat.

There is a chance as you point out........But Broner looks good skilled and however you view it is a three weight world champ........

Interesting mobile........I've got it pickem buddy.......

I dont think it will happen and if it does i could see Manny destroying Broner quite quickly. Funny as it is to say but against JMM Manny looked the best he had in ages before getting hit with that haymaker which would have dropped a horse and if he can keep that level up then he may still have a few good nights left in him yet.

Interesting point and welcome.......Think Broner's reflexes and youth and counterpunching skills make it a tough fight for Manny..........Broner won't be destroyed.......

Too good.......But Manny has a good chance.........depending on what is left in the tank.

You could be right Truss, but i have been surprised how easy to hit Broner seems and Manny has hands as fast as triphammers and very good power. If Manny can land on you numerous times a round you are not lasting long and if he can land even half the punches Paulie landed Broner will be in big trouble.

Personally I don't rate Broner. Especially at WW. I'd take Manny to win via UD. Broner has a tendency to sit back and admire his work when he throws a decent and flashy combo.

azania wrote:Personally I don't rate Broner. Especially at WW. I'd take Manny to win via UD. Broner has a tendency to sit back and admire his work when he throws a decent and flashy combo.

So did your P4P #1.

He did?

azania wrote:Personally I don't rate Broner. Especially at WW. I'd take Manny to win via UD. Broner has a tendency to sit back and admire his work when he throws a decent and flashy combo.

He won't be sitting back and admiring with Manny's workrate......So it's a pretty redundant point..

He does it because he can.......

Paulie, who let's face is loses handily to those at the top level, gave him a very tough fight and could have got the nod with the point deductions (from what I've read).

If he's having this much bother with a workman like fighter in PM, I think Manny does more than enough to push him back and out score him. Not really seen anything to suggest otherwise.

Manny UD for me, although i think Broner is a quality fighter I just dont think he could handle someone on Manny's level, good engine and too quick for Broner at this stage of his career. Got to remember that Manny was looking very good against JMM until the KO so i think he is still that level above Broner.

Pacman breaks Broner in two.

I can't believe this is even up for debate. Broner will be found out soon. Struggled with Paulie.

Broner doesn't have the footwork to bother Manny. He looks very flatfooted to me. It's footwork that bothers him.

Froch with dancing queen playing in the background would be a nightmare for him.

Pacquiao is stuck on the HBO/Top Rank divide and so is unlikely to fight Broner.

Marquez-Bradley or Provodnikov-Alvarado will probably be next (until they eventually make the Floyd fight in 2015 when it doesn't mean anything).

hazharrison wrote:Pacquiao is stuck on the HBO/Top Rank divide and so is unlikely to fight Broner..

However If Mayweather was on the divide he'd be a cowardly ducker....... 

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

hazharrison wrote:Pacquiao is stuck on the HBO/Top Rank divide and so is unlikely to fight Broner..

However If Mayweather was on the divide he'd be a cowardly ducker....... 

He is. He's on the other side (Golden Boy/Showtime).

HBO have refused to work with Golden Boy (and I'm hardly surprised after the Berto fiasco). Bob would rather work with VADA than Oscar!

Just kidding.........

Who knows....six months down the road.......

Floyd-Pacquiao might bring both parties together (it would still generate a heap of cash).

I'm dubious about Pacquiao now he isn't working with Ariza (cough cough). I think he has his hands full with Rios (who, admittedly, would be made for the Ariza conditioned version).

You know what I think about Manny Mate........Or most people from that part of Asia.....

So poor they'd do anything for a buck........and who can blame them..

When you see Socialist opposition leader Benni Aquino slaughtered on the airport tarmac in front of the whole world's press and then his so called socialist Mrs take over and basically reinforce Marcos right wing policies...You know it's a crock of a Country..

Honestly I don't think manny will have too much trouble

Broner is quick and has good reflexes but fights in cement at times and because of this he has strugfled against the more unorthodox types of guys he's fought mainly De Leon and Paulie

Pacquiao may be past his best but he would be easily the hardest puncher Broner has fought and is the quickest too. If paulie and DL can outwork him then Pacquiao should easily enough, although I think he stops Broner late

Paulie was a jump from 135 -147............

Funny how they lost when they outworked him........Quality not quantity........

As JMM would say to Manny......

Pacquiao has both, and unlike paulie he has power

And most people thought De Leon won so

I had Marquez beating Manny 3-1.........so what.........

Who is most people............

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You know what I think about Manny Mate........Or most people from that part of Asia.....

So poor they'd do anything for a buck........and who can blame them..

When you see Socialist opposition leader Benni Aquino slaughtered on the airport tarmac in front of the whole world's press and then his so called socialist Mrs take over and basically reinforce Marcos right wing policies...You know it's a crock of a Country..

Yes, because in picking certain bad people from one country you can no doubt gauge the rest of the people there.

Good to see a bit of dumb racism on the board.

Fact is it is a beautiful country with a load of beautiful beaches, in fact it is a little bit like Malaysia but with less American tourism, obviously making it far better than Malaysia.

Very unspoiled as a country, yes there are political issues and corruption there but that is a common theme the world over. Probably the worst thing that could happen to the country would be that it got less corrupt as this would lead to them spoiling the place by making it much more commercial.

Well we can disagree on the morality of that Country....

Of course you lying on a beach makes you more of an expert.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Well we can disagree on the morality of that Country....

Of course you lying on a beach makes you more of an expert.

Indeed, lying there with my half Filipino wife and her completely Filipino family would probably give me some idea.

Whereas you have your information based upon one of the most famously dodgy presidents of a country, one that has not been in charge there since the mid 1980's.

huw wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You know what I think about Manny Mate........Or most people from that part of Asia.....

So poor they'd do anything for a buck........and who can blame them..

When you see Socialist opposition leader Benni Aquino slaughtered on the airport tarmac in front of the whole world's press and then his so called socialist Mrs take over and basically reinforce Marcos right wing policies...You know it's a crock of a Country..

Yes, because in picking certain bad people from one country you can no doubt gauge the rest of the people there.

Good to see a bit of dumb racism on the board.

Fact is it is a beautiful country with a load of beautiful beaches, in fact it is a little bit like Malaysia but with less American tourism, obviously making it far better than Malaysia.

Very unspoiled as a country, yes there are political issues and corruption there but that is a common theme the world over. Probably the worst thing that could happen to the country would be that it got less corrupt as this would lead to them spoiling the place by making it much more commercial.

In fairness my critique of the filipino people may be excessive...........and I apologise to anyone who was offended.

However life is so cheap there.....That it's not a reach to suggest people will use any help to get out of the hole........

and who can monitor the Philippines ??.......Manny's power at 147 is hugely impressive...........

Considering Duran started as a scrawny bantam and was less than powerful at 160 = 42 pounds.........Compared to other weights..

Manny started as a scrawny 102 pounder and is devastating at 145..............= 43............

He is a freak of nature..........

That's without ...Mike Spinks, Hearns,Gomez,  Leonard being added tot he pot

When Manny started fighting he was living on the streets as he has got better he has been able to nourish his body better.

As someone who trains you know the importance of feeding muscles to develop them.

Not saying he is or isn't on PED's but would want more proof than the ramblings of the family member of a guy due to fight Manny.

There are boxers who have carried power up with them, in the golden days there were stories of little guys with the power to knock out heavies (Jimmy Wilde).

Think you have found yourself in the situation where you have picked sides on the Manny / Money line and are a little blinded in your dislike of one fighter due to the respect of another. We all do it, for me Benn beat Eubank in their first fight but I'm definitely in a minority of one there.

I can see you jumping to that conclusion...........and It's fairplay....

However I've never seen anybody in the history put on 43 pounds Huw and be more powerful.................He's a oneoff....and it makes me suspicious...Plus the catchweight stuff...

I have him top 20 and before the Marquez/Bradley fights had him close to floyd..

Pacquiao isn't more powerful at the higher weights. He's gone from knockout power to cumilative power. Most of his higher weight fights have gone the distance.

Scottrf wrote:Pacquiao isn't more powerful at the higher weights. He's gone from knockout power to cumilative power. Most of his higher weight fights have gone the distance.

Pacquiao and Mosley are the only fighters I've ever seen who can throw high volumes of power punches for round after round.

Rios?

Scottrf wrote:Rios?

High volumes, not as much power as the other two.

Calzaghe (pre hand issues)

Rocky Marciano for power punches, could throw bombs for the full fight.

hazharrison wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Rios?

High volumes, not as much power as the other two.

I dunno, I think he had as much Lightweight power as Pacquiao has Welterweight power.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I had Marquez beating Manny 3-1.........so what.........

Who is most people............

De Leon isn't Marquez though, not even close to the level of him

And most people means "most people", as in the majority who watched it

But fighters have bogey fighters do they not..........

Turpin - Robbo

Norton - Ali

Forrest - Mosley

I imagine you haven't spoken to the millions that watched it.......

But it was close I'll concede that........

Broner will be needing to line up a fight at cruiserweight if his physique on the mayweather vs canelo all access show is anything to go by.

Don't give him ideas Boxxy.....If he goes there he'd still be champion in 2038