Scarlets Team v Cardiff Blues; Saturday 20th April 2013 kick off 6.30pm at Parc y Scarlet

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Scarlets: Liam Williams, George North, Jonathan Davies, Scott Williams, Andy Fenby, Owen Williams, Aled Davies; Phil John, Ken Owens, Samson Lee, George Earle, Johan Synman, Aaron Shingler, Josh Turnbull, Rob McCusker (capt).
Replacements: Matthew Rees, Rhodri Jones, Jacobie Adriannse, Jake Ball, Sione Timani, Gareth Davies, Rhys Priestland, Gareth Maule.


Cardiff Blues : Leigh Halfpenny, Owen Williams, Gavin Evans (c), Jamie Roberts, Harry Robinson, Rhys Patchell, Lewis Jones; Taufa'ao Filise, Kristian Dacey,Scott Andrews, Filo Paulo, Lou Reed, Josh Navidi, Sam Warburton, Michael Paterson.
Replacements: Marc Breeze, Thomas Davies, Benoit Bourrust, Bradley Davies, Luke Hamilton, Alex Walker, Ceri Sweeney, Dafydd Hewitt


Referee: Nigel Owens (WRU, 97th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Sean Brickell, Tim Hayes (both WRU)
Citing Commissioner: Gwyn Bowden (WRU)
TMO: Nigel Whitehouse (WRU

I think there is a massive difference between the two FBs, one is looking at all the attacking options and the other is a steady defensive operator, both classy footballers but Liam Williams is a joy to watch.

Owen Williams has done an excellent job adjusting to playing on the wing, I would be surprised to see him on the summer tour as an 11,13,14

Penalty count is very low in this game, neither side really having many shots at goal.

Patchell for the Lions

Patchell so close to scoring/setting up another try

He has awesome pace, probably shouldn't have gone for the miracle ball.

Robinson really is Tom James without the physicality or finishing

Makes a break with some pace, immediately gives away possession

At least Tom James would have good game where he would create tries, and if in doubt would just smash someone.

Bradley Davies

wales606 wrote:Owen Williams has done an excellent job adjusting to playing on the wing, I would be surprised to see him on the summer tour as an 11,13,14

Owen Williams the winger is an exciting prospect never noticed him before but has got a burst of speed, Robinson has looked sharp throughout as well.

The other Owen Williams is looking pretty damn good as well is making the Blues guess every time, IMHO deffo looking the better flyhalf

Lewis Jones off :/ - not sure what I think of that

flyhalffactory wrote:

wales606 wrote:Owen Williams has done an excellent job adjusting to playing on the wing, I would be surprised to see him on the summer tour as an 11,13,14

Owen Williams the winger is an exciting prospect never noticed him before but has got a burst of speed, Robinson has looked sharp throughout as well.

The other Owen Williams is looking pretty damn good as well is making the Blues guess every time, IMHO deffo looking the better flyhalf

Patchell everytime

The Blues Owen Williams is really a 13 and has set up and scored several tries in the 13 channel this season.

george north's offensive game might be international class, but defensively his "grab a shirts" technique is shocking! really needs to sort out his tackling and defensive positioning.

JD2 double

Scarlets finally had a chance and they were always going to take it

Distinctly average defence from the Blues when they were under pressure again

Quick, send Jamie Roberts at Preistland with Patchell or Owen Williams on his shoulder

WOOOOWSER THAT WAS AWESOME!!!!

Forwards driving and Foxy Davies swiped Patchell and 1/2p away like they were youth players

Sorry Wales606 but Owen Williams on this performance is ahead of Patchell.... sorry brother

flyhalffactory wrote:
Sorry Wales606 but Owen Williams on this performance is ahead of Patchell.... sorry brother

At least Patchell has been getting involved, Williams had a bit of an armchair ride with the Scarlets pack and outside backs

George North must be peed at Halfpenny - that's 2 tries he has cost him

It was Gareth Davies not North

What on earth was that penalty for?

wales606 wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:
Sorry Wales606 but Owen Williams on this performance is ahead of Patchell.... sorry brother

At least Patchell has been getting involved, Williams had a bit of an armchair ride with the Scarlets pack and outside backs

George North must be peed at Halfpenny - that's 2 tries he has cost him

Hotta say he is helluva chunk is Patchell and give him credit he puts his body on the line

flyhalffactory wrote:

wales606 wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:
Sorry Wales606 but Owen Williams on this performance is ahead of Patchell.... sorry brother

At least Patchell has been getting involved, Williams had a bit of an armchair ride with the Scarlets pack and outside backs

George North must be peed at Halfpenny - that's 2 tries he has cost him

Hotta say he is helluva chunk is Patchell and give him credit he puts his body on the line

He can also chase down winger and pull them down

His defence is normally excellent, just got caught out by JD2

Sweeney on for Halfpenny?

Hope Patchell stays at 10

Way way way way too easy.

That boy is what you call an attacking FB!!!

Halfpenny substitution just cost the Blues 7pt and any realistic shot at the match

The Blues don't seem to have a FB at the moment.

Patchell appear to be playing 12? With Sweeney at 10?

wales606 wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:

wales606 wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:
Sorry Wales606 but Owen Williams on this performance is ahead of Patchell.... sorry brother

At least Patchell has been getting involved, Williams had a bit of an armchair ride with the Scarlets pack and outside backs

George North must be peed at Halfpenny - that's 2 tries he has cost him

Hotta say he is helluva chunk is Patchell and give him credit he puts his body on the line

He can also chase down winger and pull them down

His defence is normally excellent, just got caught out by JD2

Sweeney on for Halfpenny?

Hope Patchell stays at 10

I do like the Ginger Monster I have to say Wales606 fast big strong and brave, and with Owen Williams I can see the flyhalf factory is beginning to produce again

Why have Sweeney kick for the corner when Patchell has a lot better distance?

flyhalffactory wrote:

wales606 wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:

wales606 wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:
Sorry Wales606 but Owen Williams on this performance is ahead of Patchell.... sorry brother

At least Patchell has been getting involved, Williams had a bit of an armchair ride with the Scarlets pack and outside backs

George North must be peed at Halfpenny - that's 2 tries he has cost him

Hotta say he is helluva chunk is Patchell and give him credit he puts his body on the line

He can also chase down winger and pull them down

His defence is normally excellent, just got caught out by JD2

Sweeney on for Halfpenny?

I do like the Ginger Monster I have to say Wales606 fast big strong and brave, and with Owen Williams I can see the flyhalf factory is beginning to produce again

Hope Patchell stays at 10

Blues have a quoter on excellent ginger players, we needed a new one.

goddamn loosehead props

filliiiissseeeee

Scarlets LHP falls straight on the floor and the Blues 3 is done for not binding?

That's some classic Sweeney right there, what a treat.

How was that a Scarlets penalty

Scarlets 7 on his knees

Some more classic Sweeney

Awesome distance on that clearance form Patchell

Preistland looks shattered - he has only been on 20 minutes

Patchell creating all the chances for the Blues

I guess he has to with no Copeland and Owen Williams on the wing - that's where all our tries have come from this season

Roberts last game maybe?................. why is that do you know?

Once again Patchell looks like the only Blues player who wants it.

Cardiff backrow completely anonymous in the second half, the whole side lacked the basic skills, too many dropped balls and messy rucks.

Send help.

Disappointing

Good first half and some positive for the Blues, but too many errors in attack and defence in the second half.

We should have score more in the first half, but couldn't turn possession and territory into points - no creativity outside 10

Paterson had his best game of the season at 8, carrier surprisingly well

Waburton was good at the breakdown, but his lineout work really impressed me.

Patchell had a slump in the 3rd quarter but came back fighting and finished the game really well - outpacing a Scarlets back on the outside is fairly difficult - he was the only Blues player who looked like setting up a try.

Blues were let down by their front 5's workrate in the second half

Scarlets back are quality finishers, if we had swapped 13s that game would have been a lot, lot closer.

flyhalffactory wrote:Roberts last game maybe?................. why is that do you know?

He has played 2 in a row for the Blues - if he plays 3 the world implodes from the improbably.

What's happened to Tovey, the next Barry John???

Griff wrote:What's happened to Tovey, the next Barry John???

Playing 10 for the Rags

Sorry sight for the Blues once again, there are some cracking players, and again some very good individual performances tonght, but unit skill, any defencive cohesion or any support in any which way shape or form was lacking, it's like a pro team being guided by a guy who couldnt even cut it in the amateur... oh!

Nige very sympathetic on the Blues scrum 2nd half, and Scarlets varying their tactics totally stumped Davies who had no answer but to keep the score down.

Positivess...

Lions contenders didn't get injured

Davies looked good

Patchell is just top class

We are still playing at the Arms park

Negatives...

We were never in the game

Phil Davies is still in charge

Roberts has already left for France mentally

Still a dozen players commanding a wage who don't deserve one


The sad thing about all this is that what the Blues are not able to do is so basic, no dummy lines, noone in any support, kick chase pathetic, basic defencive coordination non existant.

Good first half but poor second. Nigel was poor he allowed to much spoiling and slowing down on the ground and offside amongst the defences, which spoilt the game.

Scarlet's form was way below their performance last week against Glasgow, hey will have to play a lot better if they are to get anything in the play offs!Blues were unlucky to be behind at half time.

The Scarlet's struggled by not playing a 7, they were repeatedly turned over and rarely troubled the Blues at the breakdown.

The Scarlet's replacements made an impact, Rees tightened the grip at forward and it was great to see Priestland come on and with his first touch send JD2 surging through a gap in the Blues defence, which should have resulted in a try.

The Scarlet's will miss North and Fenby next season, Liam Williams is a much better 15 than wing, so unless they are planning to play centres on the wing, then they must recruit two NWQ wings to plug the gap until one of the youngsters in the squad steps up.

Patchell is just top class

...quick, big and strong, bit lacks vision. Scott Williams is another.

Glas a du wrote:

Patchell is just top class

...quick, big and strong, bit lacks vision. Scott Williams is another.

Lacks vision??? Tell that to his corner kicking, his linebreaks, and his ability to decide a pass is on in his own 22, vision is one of his biggest attributes IMHO!!!

Then you're wrong. How many breaks does he make which end up in him being tackled or a poor pass? Most.

Glas a du wrote:Then you're wrong. How many breaks does he make which end up in him being tackled or a poor pass? Most.

I don't think being tackled counts as lack of vision!

He is the most creative player the Blues have and certainly doesn't lack vision!

wales606 wrote:

Glas a du wrote:Then you're wrong. How many breaks does he make which end up in him being tackled or a poor pass? Most.

I don't think being tackled counts as lack of vision!

He is the most creative player the Blues have and certainly doesn't lack vision!

I am with wales606, always looks ready to change things around when he has ball in hand, very aware for such a young guy

Then three of you are wrong

And yes, getting tackled shows precisely a lack of vision if a team mate is better placed and the pass is on.

Glas a du wrote:Then three of you are wrong

And yes, getting tackled shows precisely a lack of vision if a team mate is better placed and the pass is on.

I don't think I have seen a single case of him not passing when it is on after making a break

He did make a poor decision to pass on the break yesterday - but by your logic if he has not made the pass he would have been "uncreative"

I'm willing to bet Patchell and Copeland are the top "clean break" players for the Blues by some distance this season, and top assists aswell.

Glas a du wrote:Then three of you are wrong

And yes, getting tackled shows precisely a lack of vision if a team mate is better placed and the pass is on.

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