Promotion and Relegation in the English Premiership

If for example Sale are bottom at the end of the year will they get relegated and Newcastle, currently top of the championship, come back up?

Or are Newcastle not allowed back in now because their amenities don't meet the constraints that the PRL set...?

Sale will not finish bottom.

Finishing top is isufficient - a team has to win the play-off.

If they do Falcons will come up.

Sale have had a pretty poor start to the season, the lower placed teams in the premiership might not have the high profile players or the premiership reputation but teams like Worcester, London Welsh and Wasps have all won games after seven rounds. Sale have not.

Hense using them as the example.

The promotion side of things would work better without play offs.

How can Newcastle get promoted with out meeting the PRL criteria?

They do meet the criteria.

Here is the criteria

http://rugbyhalfhour.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/criteria.pdf

Yawnnnnnn.....

Falcons passed the last audit.

Sale didn't - due to insufficient loos I think - but do now at City of Salford Stadium.

LI and Saracens did not meet primacy of tenure and were fined for each home match - but that has been suspended for now due to the court case.

You must have missed it but someone had already replied to you on the other thread you mentioned this on that Newcastle met the criteria for promotion.

Sorry I thought Newcastle failed their audit but it was only on provisions that they should be able to meet.

A better example would be if Irish or Wasps went down, the point of the thread stands.

Would a relegated premiership team be allowed back up if they do not meet the PGB criteria

maestegmafia wrote:
Would a relegated premiership team be allowed back up if they do not meet the PGB criteria

Well as the LW court case rode roughshod over the requirements, both dumb ones and sensible ones, I am guessing they are being re-drawn anyway. Should they end up with legally enforcable requirements any relegated club who failed to meet them would have to take action to meet the new requirements before they could regain their spot at the top-table.

maestegmafia wrote:Sale have had a pretty poor start to the season, the lower placed teams in the premiership might not have the high profile players or the premiership reputation but teams like Worcester, London Welsh and Wasps have all won games after seven rounds. Sale have not.

Hense using them as the example.

The promotion side of things would work better without play offs.

How can Newcastle get promoted with out meeting the PRL criteria?

each season a team will have a pretty poor start, doesn't mean they'll be at the bottom come the play offs.

maestegmafia wrote:Sorry I thought Newcastle failed their audit but it was only on provisions that they should be able to meet.

A better example would be if Irish or Wasps went down, the point of the thread stands.

Would a relegated premiership team be allowed back up if they do not meet the PGB criteria

No (at least the new ones)

The lethal cocktail of PRL/RFU measures would be subjected to further scrutiny if Bedford were promoted. Goldington Rd would not meet the playing surface criteria as the pitch is sloping.

Presumably they would be forced to find a new site.

Hopefully before (unlike Rhydychen* last year) 31st March.
* courtesy www.geiriadur.net/

In the same way a few welsh supporters refused to adapt to regional rugby and the travelling involved the same has to be said when a club is moved to a different town because of criteria that force them to adapt to parameters.

The criteria is sensible, it encourages the concept of a sustainable profit making club based on the successes of the English Premiership top sides.

The same parameters may not be beneficial for other clubs to maintain their traditional lifelong fan base and culture.

Tigers are very similar in all ways to the club they have always been. London Welsh, Wasps, Sale, or London Irish are not.

We've got a cracking little stadium now...and no doubt will continue improving it.

Cant see how it would fail the criteria?

maestegmafia wrote:In the same way a few welsh supporters refused to adapt to regional rugby and the travelling involved the same has to be said when a club is moved to a different town because of criteria that force them to adapt to parameters.

The criteria is sensible, it encourages the concept of a sustainable profit making club based on the successes of the English Premiership top sides.

The same parameters may not be beneficial for other clubs to maintain their traditional lifelong fan base and culture.

Tigers are very similar in all ways to the club they have always been. London Welsh, Wasps, Sale, or London Irish are not.

The key is owning your own ground that is why they are sustainable. Saracens will be soon. Wasps hope to in the future. That's the way forward.

nathan wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:Sale have had a pretty poor start to the season, the lower placed teams in the premiership might not have the high profile players or the premiership reputation but teams like Worcester, London Welsh and Wasps have all won games after seven rounds. Sale have not.

Hense using them as the example.

The promotion side of things would work better without play offs.

How can Newcastle get promoted with out meeting the PRL criteria?

each season a team will have a pretty poor start, doesn't mean they'll be at the bottom come the play offs.

But Sale are no Leicester team. I don't see them recovering from this start to the season. LW beat them by 7+ in Manchester, that game was surely one of the 'relegation deciders'.

Wasps lost home & away to Newcastle last season, but still finished above them and avoided relegation. I don't think anything can be assumed at this stage in the season.

Not even after 2 points from 7 games?

Nope. Over two thirds of the season still to go, that's a lot of points on offer, and the more meagre squads always have it tougher in the second half of the season once fatigue really starts to set in. Sale could well finish bottom, but they've definitely improved over recent weeks and changes to the coaching staff and squad often take a while to bed in.