RaboP12 (Round 4): Leinster 22 vs Edinburgh 16 k/o - 18:15 Sat, 22 September 2012 (RDS)

by thebandwagonsociety Tue 18 Sep 2012 - 11:15

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Final score Leinster 22 v Edinburgh 16
Leinster Rugby Score Card
Name Tries Conv Pen Drop Pts
Jonathan Sexton 1 2 1 - 12
Brendan Macken 2 - - - 10

Edinburgh Rugby Score Card
Name Tries Conv Pen Drop Pts
Greig Laidlaw - 1 3 - 11
WP Nel 1 - - - 5

Coverage on RTE and BBC Alba.
Any season ticket holders going to the game, the packs will be available for collection. This usually means a lot of queuing and cufuffle before the game.

Nevin Spence - Book of Condolence
A Book of Condolence for the Spence family will be opened by the Official Leinster Supporters Club at the RDS on Saturday, 22 September in advance of Leinster's PRO12 fixture against Edinburgh. The Book will be sited in the Main Hall of the RDS adjacent to where the season ticket holder packs are being distributed. Supporters are asked to enter the Hall through Gate D.
The Book will be closed at 6pm to allow supporters and Leinster Rugby staff attend and pay tribute to Nevin, his brother Graham and father Noel during the minute's silence. It will then be re-opened post match in The Laighin Out.

For those who cannot attend the match on Saturday, a Book of Condolence will also be opened in the Leinster Store in Donnybrook from 11am on Tuesday, 18 September and will remain there until Saturday at noon.

Leinster squad news
Hooker Richardt Strauss suffered a head knock midway through the second half of Saturday night’s 19-18 victory over Benetton Treviso and he is doubtful for the weekend.
Saturday’s victory saw the successful return of Ireland internationals Kev McLaughlin, Mike Ross, Cian Healy, Jamie Heaslip, Brian O’Driscoll, Eoin Reddan and out-half Jonathan Sexton who scored a match-winning last minute drop goal in Italy.

With Monday’s field training session cancelled as a mark of respect for the late Nevin Spence, the panel will train on Tuesday morning and could be bolstered by the return of Gordon D’Arcy and European Player of the Year Rob Kearney who are both in contention for selection ahead of Friday’s lunchtime team announcement.

by Jenifer McLadyboy Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 12:52

He is well known for his geekness when it comes to the scrum.

Quiet bloke. but he has a book on all the props in Europe and how to get the better of them in the scrum.

We are not packing much weight in the 2nd row though. Denton and Cullen are more mobile players. Roux has a knock. Toner is on the bench and Browne? not sure.

I reckon we should have enough for you at home in the RDS and we should be targeting a BP win, to get further up the table.

by reallybored Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 13:22

I'm pleased to see Edinburgh rest key Scotland players, hopefully Ford will get a rest in coming weeks. But I do query resting two of our best players against the reigning HC Champions, especially considering we played Zebre last week?

Surely Grant and Brown would have done more than enough last week against the newly formed Italian team so we could have played our 1st choice XV against Leinster, would be a huge confidence boost if we turn them over away.

How long is Denton out for?

Strong Leinster team, our pack will have to play very well to get on top. We could really do with both Rennie and Visser, I'd be far more confident with them in the side.

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 13:25

BoyneRFC wrote:Ouch....

15: Isa Nacewa
14: Andrew Conway
13: Brian O'Driscoll
12: Gordon D'Arcy
11: Fionn Carr
10: Jonathan Sexton
9: Eoin Reddan

1: Cian Healy
2: Sean Cronin
3: Mike Ross
4: Leo Cullen CAPTAIN
5: Tom Denton
6: Kevin McLaughlin
7: Shane Jennings
8: Jamie Heaslip

REPLACEMENTS:

16: Tom Sexton
17: Heinke van der Merwe
18: Jamie Hagan
19: Devin Toner
20: Jordi Murphy
21: John Cooney
22: Ian Madigan
23: Brendan Macken

Who is back 3 cover here? Madigan? Darcy?

Agree with the majority here re: Healy and Ross. Healy is serious quality and could go on to become Ireland's most capped at the rate he is going. Rarely gets injured for long periods too (touches all wood in vicinity) and plays games at such a fierce pace that he is very hard to leave out of the team. When was his first Irish cap?

Ross is a bit of a donkey and not a highly effective one but his ball handling and awareness has gotten better and he is a fairly good scrummager.

by Gibson Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 13:28

Healy is fast becoming the best dynamic, LH on the Planet. He has never looked back from the man-shaming he took in Toulouse 2 seasons back. His scrummaging has vastly improved. The lad will be a 1st-choice Lion. Ross is solid and is key to us. Want to see Hagan trusted more this season. He´s a beast.

That´s a strong Leinster 23. I´d expect a TBP, tbh. No point in spouting false modesty, like the coaches. Just hope its a good open game - as are these two teams natural wont. Cant believe Tim McVisser is not playing. Love watching him run them in.

by Jenifer McLadyboy Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 13:30

pete (buachaill on eirne) wrote:

Who is back 3 cover here? Madigan? Darcy?

Agree with the majority here re: Healy and Ross. Healy is serious quality and could go on to become Ireland's most capped at the rate he is going. Rarely gets injured for long periods too (touches all wood in vicinity) and plays games at such a fierce pace that he is very hard to leave out of the team. When was his first Irish cap?

Ross is a bit of a donkey and not a highly effective one but his ball handling and awareness has gotten better and he is a fairly good scrummager.

Madigan to FB Isa to either wing. Darce hasn't played wing in about 8 years.

Ross is a FAIRLY good scrumager..... And Sophia Loren was FAIRLY good looking in 1958 or so. Wink

by Gibson Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 13:39

So Leo stays Captain. Delighted. It will be his last year at it. Love to see him finish with a Double. Or a single(HC). And some fish.
Looking forward to seeing Denton play. Haven´t seen him yet. Any thoughts/knowledge on him lads?

by **RDW** Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 13:45

Denton has a thigh strain so nothing too serious. He played against Cardiff and Munster and was his usual arms and legs everywhere self!

Reallybored- that's a good point about last week, we were playing the feckin Zebras at home - surely that was the time to rest Visser and Rennie??

There's a fine line between player management and molly-cuddling them and I can't help but think our Scotland players are too far the other way.

I do hope our top players are going into the Saracans game having at least played the 2 games leading up to it. Got to be battle hardened for that game!

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 14:02

Jen he isn't an AMAZING scrummager in al fairness, he is good but nowhere near the best in the world imo

by allyt2k Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 14:13

So we drop Visser (international capped, playing well and most likely gonna be in the Scotland team) and replace him with Brown (international capped, playing well and most likely gonna be in the Scotland team).

We drop Rennie (international capped, playing well and most likely gonna be in the scotland team) and replace him with Grant ( A capped, sevens capped and probably would have been fully capped if we didn't have so many good back row players and is one of the most experienced edinburgh players in the squad)

We bring in leonard and Hislop who had a good summer with the U20's
and Dougie Fife who most folk where calling for game time anyway.

If that's supposed to be a weakened team then this season already looks good.

by **RDW** Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 14:18

allyt2k - you make some fair points but surely you don't think that we'd not be significantly better off with Visser and Rennie starting??

by **RDW** Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 14:22

Ditto Chunk over Hislop on the bench.

by allyt2k Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 14:23

We cant depend on visser all the time someone in the backs need to put there hand up and start scoring aswell (hopefully Jones), I actually prefer Grant over Rennie, not saying Rennie isn't good but I like Grants work rate around the field.

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 14:24

not having visser playing makes me less worried tbh

by BoyneRFC Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 14:27

I am pretty peeved myself that Visser isn't playing. Danger and all he is, he is a joy to watch.

by **RDW** Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 14:27

allyt2k wrote:I actually prefer Grant over Rennie

Have to say - I think you'd struggle to find anyone else who is quite as happy as you are for Visser to be dropped for Tom Brown!

by allyt2k Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 14:43

RDW_Scotland wrote:
allyt2k wrote:I actually prefer Grant over Rennie

Have to say - I think you'd struggle to find anyone else who is quite as happy as you are for Visser to be dropped for Tom Brown!

Just think some of the players are getting into the game plan of (QUICK GET THE BALL TO VISSER!!) far to often, would like the forwards to start taken the ball more often we just seem to go out wide to soon without making the hard yards.

by **RDW** Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 14:48

Fair enough.

I'd still prefer that they did that, plus still have Visser playing!

My pet hate is the stupid offloads that they do when there is absolutely no need for an offload - just like Scotland do. Off loads are great if they hit the gainline hard and offload to someone coming at pace, but we do stupid off loads when we've ambled into contact and the person supporting them is standing still.

The worst one was Talei against the Blues where, with a minute to go and 1 point in the lead, he makes a great run up the middle but instead of holding onto the ball he did a stupid offload which was knocked on.

The quicker Scottish rugby players learn when to offload and when not to the better!

by SecretFly Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 14:55

If you train too hard to offload, to get good at it, because it can be very handy; ... it can sometimes mean you get into the offload habit - yes.

But then, the guy chooses not to do it, gets caught in isolation, gets pinged for holding on and well................. we all knows he's going to get a load of it on these pages. "Why didn't the ***&&^%$&! offload?!!!"

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

by allyt2k Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 15:12

RDW_Scotland wrote:Fair enough.

I'd still prefer that they did that, plus still have Visser playing!

My pet hate is the stupid offloads that they do when there is absolutely no need for an offload - just like Scotland do. Off loads are great if they hit the gainline hard and offload to someone coming at pace, but we do stupid off loads when we've ambled into contact and the person supporting them is standing still.

The worst one was Talei against the Blues where, with a minute to go and 1 point in the lead, he makes a great run up the middle but instead of holding onto the ball he did a stupid offload which was knocked on.

The quicker Scottish rugby players learn when to offload and when not to the better!

Same, really starting to hate it now, spent most of the games shouting for the players to look where there passing, everybody in the team now thinks there SBW. Cox has a nice offload tho he seems to turn into the tackle see the player and then pass, maybe he should take a training day with the team. Have noticed this season a few teams are trying it more often to keep the ball alive but so far with very little success, so many knock-ons considering the weather is still decent dread to think what its gonna be like when the ball is like a bar of soap in the rain.

by Rava Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 15:24

Strong Leinster team. Could be a big win. That their hitherto shaky defence won't have Visser to worry about will be a big positive for them.

Is Kearney jun. still injured lads?

by Jenifer McLadyboy Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 15:40

Rava wrote:

Is Kearney jun. still injured lads?

Yup.

And

Boss
Dundon
Fitzgerald
Flanagan
Kearney
O'Brien
O'Malley
Ruddock
Ryan

None of them back within a month I think

by **RDW** Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 15:42

How have the starting wingers being playing? Don't know much about Conway but Carr, Jones and Brown are all fairly similar in that they aren't overly big but are fairly rapid and got a good step.

by SecretFly Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 15:42

That's some Hospital squad! Six more is all we need.

by allyt2k Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 15:52

That's some injury list

by Gibson Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 16:07

RDW_Scotland wrote:How have the starting wingers being playing? Don't know much about Conway but Carr, Jones and Brown are all fairly similar in that they aren't overly big but are fairly rapid and got a good step.

Not great TBH, RDW. Conway was and still is, expected to have a big future with us. He´s big and muscular, he´s lightening fast, good defender - but he really has not taken his chance over the last 3 games. Carr? Anyone want a speedy winger? He´s not a 1st squad Leinster player. And when D Kearney and Fitz come back - will be pushed out of the squad. He will be gone by next Summer, is my bet. Should have stayed at Connacht, where he was on fire and valuable to them.

Conway really has to start showing his promise tomorrow. He has no excuse, now he is surrounded by the Big Boys to feed off. I expect him to do it.

by Jenifer McLadyboy Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 16:32

looking forward to the wingers playing in a first choice backline. going to miss my first home league game in 4 and a half years. charity cycle to wexford. Will get to watch it live down there though.

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 18:58

Gibson wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:How have the starting wingers being playing? Don't know much about Conway but Carr, Jones and Brown are all fairly similar in that they aren't overly big but are fairly rapid and got a good step.

Not great TBH, RDW. Conway was and still is, expected to have a big future with us. He´s big and muscular, he´s lightening fast, good defender - but he really has not taken his chance over the last 3 games. Carr? Anyone want a speedy winger? He´s not a 1st squad Leinster player. And when D Kearney and Fitz come back - will be pushed out of the squad. He will be gone by next Summer, is my bet. Should have stayed at Connacht, where he was on fire and valuable to them.

Conway really has to start showing his promise tomorrow. He has no excuse, now he is surrounded by the Big Boys to feed off. I expect him to do it.

I agree with all of that
Carr has been something of a disappointment. He went through a good spell midway through last year where he was running back kicks really well. He could be good but he appears to have fallen short of the hurdle too many times. He needs to up it hugely before some of the other lads get back. Kearney and McFadden could both be taking his place in the team. Hudson can't be a million miles behind him.

I think most Leinster supporters would say that from Carr's perspective, quality training at Leinster aside, he should have stayed at Connacht.

Conway has always had oodles of potential, he just has to start realising even part of it soon.

by Gibson Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 19:26

To be honest, Id love to see Carr surprise us all. I'm just not sure he has it. But Id love him to prove me wrong. He will also benefit greatly from the experience around him. But he must use what surely is his last chance for a while. The coaches have told him this in no uncertain terms. It's The Leinster Way. But he seems like a really sincere guy. Loved how he praised Visser. And mentioned the Spences. He knew Nevin well from the Wolfhounds. Respect.
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/mdtv/?play=media&id=12853

Maybe Fionn will break loose at the RDS tomorrow night. Conway too.

Believe.

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 19:37

I thought he should have been in the 6N squad last year but that was well off the mark/ I hope he proves us wrong but if it doesn't happen this year he should move out of Leinster for his own sake, the guy is 27!

by SecretFly Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 19:43

This Glasgow Connacht game is a little difficult to keep track of. Very similar blue, greyblue, white ensembles on both - when they merge they certainly merge.

by Gibson Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 19:55

SecretFly wrote:This Glasgow Connacht game is a little difficult to keep track of. Very similar blue, greyblue, white ensembles on both - when they merge they certainly merge.

Fly, its because you are a geezer bud. Ask yer GF. Bet she can see the differ clearly. All men are colour-blind. Or so she tells me.

by **RDW** Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 19:57

This is a first - ref has asked for a strip change midway through the first half!

by Gibson Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 20:08

RDW_Scotland wrote:This is a first - ref has asked for a strip change midway through the first half!

Tart! Its not Nigel is it?

by Golden Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 20:09

Any word on Mcfadden?

Is he been rested or dropped or picked up an injury?

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 20:12

Connacht supporters have it tough, you got to take your hat off to them sometimes

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 20:13

That being said.........!

by Gibson Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 20:13

Watching Scarlets v O's O's really bossing it.Scarlets getting munched in the scrum.

by Gibson Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 20:14

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 20:18

We could do with the Scarlets losing at some point!

by Golden Fri 21 Sep 2012 - 20:20

Gibson wrote:Watching Scarlets v O's O's really bossing it.Scarlets getting munched in the scrum.

Ah sh1te ruining my accumaltor.

Good break from Mcsharry there in the Connacht match, he has seemed a decent player when ever ive seen him.

by Gibson Sat 22 Sep 2012 - 1:08

Golden wrote:Any word on Mcfadden?

Is he been rested or dropped or picked up an injury?

Yeah.

by pete (buachaill on eirne) Sat 22 Sep 2012 - 11:54

full treviso game at
http://www.tg4.ie/en/tg4-player.html

by Gretgael1 Sat 22 Sep 2012 - 15:47

Sorry if it's already been said, but can anyone tell me what station this match is on? And if it's on BBC is it on the red button?

by LeinsterFan4life Sat 22 Sep 2012 - 15:52

Gretgael1 wrote:Sorry if it's already been said, but can anyone tell me what station this match is on? And if it's on BBC is it on the red button?

its on RTE and BBC alba

by Gretgael1 Sat 22 Sep 2012 - 18:06

Thanks Leinsterfan, appreciate it.

by **RDW** Sat 22 Sep 2012 - 18:10

Mon the gunners!

by Gibson Sat 22 Sep 2012 - 18:14

Lovely Sunny evening in Dublin, made for running rugby and I am enjoying the Scots Gaelic on Alba. These people are our Soul Bros zen

Mon Leinster! Believe.

by Gibson Sat 22 Sep 2012 - 18:17

1 minutes silence for Nevin Spence and his Dad and bro. Soo sad.

Stand Up For The Ulster Men!

by Rava Sat 22 Sep 2012 - 18:21

The men and women of Leinster have shown their class at RDS.
Thanks guinness

by alive555 Sat 22 Sep 2012 - 18:22

anyone got link ?

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Name	Tries	Conv	Pen	Drop	Pts
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