Quins v London Welsh

I can't believe there's a game between the champions and the new boys in the Prem and Sky decide not to show it. I'm sure there must be interest for it on a Friday night when there's no other premiership rugby on.

Although judging by the fact that quins are 14-0 up in 9 minutes I'm probably glad

Does anyone actually want to watch the new boys...i just want to see a cricket score please quins....

bitter. perhaps if your lot had played better last year you wouldn't have been bottom and found yourself relegated. would you have felt the same had it been Bristol? richard

Massive sour grapes....

And ive said on many forums...i would have had no issues whatsoever had it been Bristol up. They deserved to replace us as champions.

And i know we were dire ...we have been for many seasons...ive been sat there watching it...

I'm busy and can't watch. What's the game been like?

they weren't champions as they didn't win the play off. that is what the play off is for. I don't suppose you'll complain if Newcastle finish 3rd in the table but win the play off.

Ill still think its a bad system...as i do the premier play offs. Top of the table should win.

But we wont finish 3rd...we'll be top. And if we dont come back up....and if we lose in the play offs...yes ill be fuming...

THe play offs should be scrapped in both leagues...

40-3 and 6 Tries to nil. (I had a 39pt margin on SuperBru - damned Botica failing to convert his own try)

Ouch! - Exeter at home for London Welsh next week..........

Going to be a long season yet a cruelly short stay for London in the Prem by the looks of it.

To be fair, you were playing the champions at the Stoop- not many harder matches, don't lose faith yet

Well these first two matches were always going to be tough.

Next week at home to the Chiefs will give a better indication. Not that the Chiefs are weak (as Sale will attest) but as recent(ish) Championship winners they are the sort of team LW need to emulate.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Ill still think its a bad system...as i do the premier play offs. Top of the table should win.

But we wont finish 3rd...we'll be top. And if we dont come back up....and if we lose in the play offs...yes ill be fuming...

THe play offs should be scrapped in both leagues...

I don't disagree in principle but that is not London Welshs fault. They played to the system in place and won. don't hate the player, hate the game.

Didn't get to watch the match, but not an unexpected scoreline.

Will take a few weeks to get a bit more up to speed, or at least with the lower ranked teams, where hopefully we can pinch one or two wins.

looking on the bright side, we still conceded less than Wasps.

Looseheaded wrote:Didn't get to watch the match, but not an unexpected scoreline.

Will take a few weeks to get a bit more up to speed, or at least with the lower ranked teams, where hopefully we can pinch one or two wins.

looking on the bright side, we still conceded less than Wasps.

Concentrated too much on defence then

mckay1402 wrote:I don't disagree in principle but that is not London Welshs fault. They played to the system in place and won. don't hate the player, hate the game.

Exeter Chiefs only got promoted via play-offs after finishing a fair few points behind Bristol. It is hypocritical to object to LWs place in the premiership because of their league position if you do not also object to the Chiefs.

However, while LW played to the system in place, they then challeneged the system that was in place in the courts to ensure promotion. I always dislike this attitude - If the rules/laws/system is wrong (and primacy of tenure was wrong) then challenge it up front, not just when/if it suits you. If you enter a competition you effectively agree to the rules in place. This is my objesction, but you know what I will just have to get over it - so promise to make this my last post on the issue. (Probably )

I am far more worried that they do not have proper medical staff yet.

I am officially starting to feel sorry for the London Welsh players. Not their fault. But this will be a short stay at the top level. So the legal challenge to the existing rules will have been a Pyrrhic victory. It could end up doing more long term harm to the London Welsh club than any good obtained from a single season in the Premiership.

LondonTiger,
I don't agree primacy of tenure was wrong. I believe it is right for the business of Rugby, but the error was not allocating a definitive timeframe for all Premiership clubs to secure it or securing equivalent rights in the stadia win which they play. This is, of course, the benefit of perfect hindsight.

What do you mean about inadequate medical staff at Welsh? What happened?

Its alright guys, Gavin Henson will be back soon and then, then we will see the true LW!!

Ok ill take step back. I think LT has explained it exactly right. Exeter have been a breath of fresh air so I shouldnt be critical there...but maybe the way LW went about it.

Can I just say also I really dont have any sour grapes that was just tongue in cheek...for three /four years I have watched utter tosh from my team and we utterly deserved to go down.I have never questioned that...

doctor_grey wrote:
LondonTiger,

What do you mean about inadequate medical staff at Welsh? What happened?

The Ground Criteria states that a club must have acceptable Medical Facilities so they can handle the sorts of injuries you can get in Rugby. That the Kassam has so all good. However last week LW were advertising for Qualified (unpaid) Interns in sports rehabilitation, physio and emergency care to come and work for a year to gain experience. This seemed to be a sad reflection on thecash flow issues that LW must have been struggling with.

On the field they will give everything they have and good luck to them. Off the field they should be applauded for coming back from the brink of insolvency two years ago - but their cash flow is seriiously limited. The new directors covered the £1.5m overdraft - but things will be tight. Thankfully the professional side was split from the amateur - so the club will still exist even if things go jubblies up.

Thanks for the information. I didn't know they needed more staff for the medical support work. BUt I guess that is a result of the short preparation time?

Also didn't knoew they split the pro team from the rest of the club. That was smart.

I actually rather like how Lynn Jones comes across. Hope they can get reasonably competitive later in the season

GeordieFalcon wrote:Ok ill take step back. I think LT has explained it exactly right. Exeter have been a breath of fresh air so I shouldnt be critical there...but maybe the way LW went about it.

Can I just say also I really dont have any sour grapes that was just tongue in cheek...for three /four years I have watched utter tosh from my team and we utterly deserved to go down.I have never questioned that...

It's the system that is flawed. London Welsh, one of Londons greatest and most successful clubs, rightfully qualified.

I posted an article on the hows and why's.

You should read it.

https://www.606v2.com/t34383-london-welsh-explained

That's two big defeats for the Oxford outfit now. Admittedly they were against two of the strongest sides in the Premiership. Having said that all sides are rusty at the moment so these early games were probably the best chance for Welsh to catch somebody cold and sneak a few points.

It's strange. Normally the underdog is supported in games like this, but it seems a lot of people want them crushed underfoot.

What's the lowest ever points total for a side in the Premiership?

Considering that LW had a month to budget and recruit to compete in the premiership, it is unsurprising.

jeez people, I know it's quite a tough challenge for them to stay up, but lighten up a bit and give us a chance.
It's two games into the season, and two losses at the hands of last season's top teams, so we can wait and see how we stand when facing lesser teams after a bit of time to play catch up.
the LW bashing is getting a bit dull now, can we not think of other stuff to discuss?

LondonTiger wrote:

mckay1402 wrote:I don't disagree in principle but that is not London Welshs fault. They played to the system in place and won. don't hate the player, hate the game.

Exeter Chiefs only got promoted via play-offs after finishing a fair few points behind Bristol. It is hypocritical to object to LWs place in the premiership because of their league position if you do not also object to the Chiefs.

However, while LW played to the system in place, they then challeneged the system that was in place in the courts to ensure promotion. I always dislike this attitude - If the rules/laws/system is wrong (and primacy of tenure was wrong) then challenge it up front, not just when/if it suits you. If you enter a competition you effectively agree to the rules in place. This is my objesction, but you know what I will just have to get over it - so promise to make this my last post on the issue. (Probably )

I am far more worried that they do not have proper medical staff yet.

What I don't understand about this argument is that if they were in the wrong how did they win the court case? If they didn't qualify within the rules in place (which haven't changed on the back of the court case) then on what grounds did the court find in their favour? I can only assume that because they were awarded the case that they were in the right and therefore qualified entirely on merit.

They've already faced Tigers once and Quins at Quins- out of 22 games in a season, those 2 matches must be in the hardest 5. And this was in running rugby weather where if these teams get a chance they will put lots of points on teams. When they've had time to adapt some other sides might find Welsh are not as easy as they'd thought

And Quins they had to face after they'd just shipped 40 points to Wasps- we were always going to go out and prove a point defensively. Basically I don't think these two matches accurately represent the competition for most of the year

mckay1402 wrote:
What I don't understand about this argument is that if they were in the wrong how did they win the court case? If they didn't qualify within the rules in place (which haven't changed on the back of the court case) then on what grounds did the court find in their favour? I can only assume that because they were awarded the case that they were in the right and therefore qualified entirely on merit.

The rules they contested were deemed to be unfair and restraint of trade. The RFU/PRL are rewriting the rules on the back of the courtcase.

ChequeredJersey wrote:They've already faced Tigers once and Quins at Quins- out of 22 games in a season, those 2 matches must be in the hardest 5. And this was in running rugby weather where if these teams get a chance they will put lots of points on teams. When they've had time to adapt some other sides might find Welsh are not as easy as they'd thought

I have to say that comparing LW with Worcester - Worcester looked much the better (but more negative) team.