Farrell will NOT be part of the coaching staff post 6N's

Saracens have come out and stated that Farrell will not be available as a full time coach once thel 6N's has ended.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2114052/Six-Nations-2012-Saracens-refuse-let-Andy-Farrell-share-England-coaching-job.html

To me this could be mixed news, yes the defence has been very gritty and we've had some bite put back in to it. But on the counter argument we've played more and more like Saracens and tbh at international level you need more from your backs then just a good defence and crashballs.

So if Lancaster was to get the top job, who would people like to seee come in as Farrells replacement?

yappysnap wrote:Saracens have come out and stated that Farrell will not be available as a full time coach once thel 6N's has ended.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2114052/Six-Nations-2012-Saracens-refuse-let-Andy-Farrell-share-England-coaching-job.html

To me this could be mixed news, yes the defence has been very gritty and we've had some bite put back in to it. But on the counter argument we've played more and more like Saracens and tbh at international level you need more from your backs then just a good defence and crashballs.

So if Lancaster was to get the top job, who would people like to seee come in as Farrells replacement?

Kirwan?

Mike Catt would be a good shout for me or John Kirwan

Kirwan would be really good, not so sure about Catt watching LI play and could he cover defense as well?

Kirwan though would be a really interesting perspective for the English backs and attacking game.

Just because Saracens say Farrell is going back to them doesn't mean it's certain. If Lancaster gets the top job and tells the RFU that he wants Farrell, then they can buy him out of his contract. This does enable Saracens to get more for him though, If he wants to join England permanently.

How good is Kirwan really? Heard good things about his time with Italy, but there's a difference between getting a bad team to play reasonably well, and getting a good team to be world class.

Kirwan was world class and has all the attributes for me to be one of the worlds leading defence/backs coaches

Watch some of the attacking skills of Japan with Kirwan coaching them, they had/have a brilliant offloading game thanks to him.

True it might be Saracens wanting more for him if he does go, but he seems pretty integral to them at the moment, really can't see them wanting to lose him as there's not many replacements they could get in.

Gustard should be signed from Sarries post haste to organise the defence (he's the man behind the oppressive Sarries 'wolf pack') as that defence is the best in the league and is a weapon in it's own right.

For the backs I'd like us to bring in Aaron Mauger. He took on some coaching responsibilities during 2009 for Tigers and even in a backline riddled with injuries we played some brilliant stuff. He's continued that development with coaching skills in Canterbury (we've seen what their backs can do) and rumour has it he fancies coaching in England again (linked with Tigers).

yappysnap wrote:Watch some of the attacking skills of Japan with Kirwan coaching them, they had/have a brilliant offloading game thanks to him.

True it might be Saracens wanting more for him if he does go, but he seems pretty integral to them at the moment, really can't see them wanting to lose him as there's not many replacements they could get in.

I'm sure they don't want to lose him but they'll have a price. If Lancaster gets the job and wants Farrell to join him permanently, and Farrell wants to as well, then I can't see it not happening realistically.

Are either Kirwin or Catt up to the defensive sid eof the job, Italy under Kirwin and Irish with Catt seemed to ship an awful lot of tries.

I would be happy with Catt as an attack coach, but I think a defense coach that could work with the plans he has for attack would be necessary. Not sure who though.

I think one of the probelms MJ had was that the attack and defensive systems employed where not compatable and could not cope with a sudden turnover or similar.

They wouldn't need to do the defensive work. Whoever gets the head coach job will have a bigger coaching team than the current interim one I'd think.

I'd be very surprised if Rowntree doesn't stay on as scrum coach at least. There'll probably be a forwards coach, a defence coach and an attack coach as well.

I think if Lancaster gets the top job he'll only wnat a 3 man team, so presumably the new preson will need to cover backs and defence, as I don't think Lancaster covers them.

Mauger would be good. Lancaster talks about a triumvirate complimenting each other in the coaching team and I think two very NH coaches in Rowntree and Lancaster would be well balanced by a SH coach in Kirwan or Mauger.

I really don't think we want more then 3 coaches, either with Lancaster coaching as one of the three or Lancaster and three coaches below him.

Two many chefs and all that.

I think it was Rowntree saying the other day that it's far better with 3 coaches. I doubt he would be saying that if Lancaster thought much differently. What Mallet thinks though is another question!

I really don't think we want more then 3 coaches, either with Lancaster coaching as one of the three or Lancaster and three coaches below him.

Head Coach - Lancaster
Defence/Lineouts Coach - Gustard
Forwards/Scrum Coach - Rowntree
Attack/Skills Coach - Mauger

Sorted. Replace the seemingly weak link (judging by our backs lack of penetration) and fortify the defensive element and forwards tactical edge.

I like that team Sam, as mentioned I think it would be very good for a very 'English' seeming coaching unit to have some Southern Hemisphere flavour to it.

Kirwin for backs coach, THAT would be interesting having seen what he did for the Cherry Blossoms

I think it combines well Yappy and Mauger has experience with Tigers so wouldn't be completely new to English rugby. In fact all the coaches other than Lancaster will have spent some time and England's premier club... hold on I change my mind I couldn't take the Leicester Mafia rubbish, it was bad enough last time.

thomh wrote:How good is Kirwan really? Heard good things about his time with Italy, but there's a difference between getting a bad team to play reasonably well, and getting a good team to be world class.

Kirwan will eventually coach NZ in the next 10 years. Get your hands on him while you can.

I have been very impressed with Japans attack the times I have seen them. Their 13 runs brilliant lines, not sure if hes just a good player or if Kirwan has taught him them. I agree with others who are worried about his defensive abilities though, anyone have any ideas on this?

I thought when Farrel became a part of the England team that he was only contracted for the 6ns.

So if that is true then it is no surprise that Sarries of come out and said the Farrel will becoming back to them. But before the 6ns when Stuart Lancaster took charge (tempory)as it was of England no one thought that England would get better and better every game they played.

Now if Lancaster does get the job full time and he says he wants Farrel, then i do believe that England would buy him out of his contract with sarries.

If Kirwan is willing to take up the attack coach position (I'm not sure it will be enough for him), that would be superb. The added benefit is that if Lancaster turns out to not be up to the job, Kirwan can take over (he was my preferred option at the outset).

Otherwise, Wayne Smith said he was interested in joining the set up again last week, and would be a superb option.

I'd like to see Dave Ellis get the defence coach position.

Love to see John Mitchell back as backs/attack coach. Some of the stuff the Eng backs were playing back in the early 2000's was superb. Not going to happen tho....

niwatts wrote:If Kirwan is willing to take up the attack coach position (I'm not sure it will be enough for him), that would be superb. The added benefit is that if Lancaster turns out to not be up to the job, Kirwan can take over (he was my preferred option at the outset).

Otherwise, Wayne Smith said he was interested in joining the set up again last week, and would be a superb option.

I'd like to see Dave Ellis get the defence coach position.

I'd go with that. Lancaster, Rowntree, Kirwan and Ellis would be the 4 for me.