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Head Coach: Londonirishollie
Assistant Coach: Ewen McKenzie
Forwards Coach: Steve Diamond
Backs Coach: Stephen Larkham


HK Gary Botha
HK Nathan Charles
HK Marc Jones

PR Andrew Sheridan (EQ) (LH
PR Lee Imiolek (EQ) (LH)
PR Logoviii Mulipola (LH/TH)

PR Davit Kubriashvili (TH)
PR Henry Thomas (EQ) (TH)

LK Frazer McKenzie
LK Dean Schofield (EQ)
LK Kearnan Myall (EQ)
LK Yoann Maestri
LK James Gaskell (EQ)
LK Matt Garvey (EQ)

BR Richie Vernon (BS/N8)
BR Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe (BS/N8)
BR Schalk Burger (BS/OS)
BR Dave Seymour (EQ) (OS)
BR Jordan Crane (EQ) (N8)
BR Andy Powell (N8)

SH Hadyn Thomas (EQ)
SH Scott Mathie
SH Ciaran Willis

FH Aaron Cruden
FH/FB Nick Macleod
FH Johan Goosen

CE Sam Tuitipou
CE Jonathon Davies
CE Jonathan Joseph EQ
CE Jonny Leota
CE Luther Burrell

WG Tom Brady (EQ)
WE/CE Will Addison (EQ)
WG Charlie Amesbury (EQ)

FB Cameron Shepherd
FB Rob Miller (EQ)



Budget: 7 mill - 1/09/2012

Academy
Ross Harrison
Adam Birchall
Sam James
Alex Waddingham
Nathan Fowles
Will Bordill
Mark Jennings
Tommy Bell
Iain Thornley
Billy Emerson
Jonny Kenny

Players In

Jonny Wilkinson (Draft)
Dean Schofield (Draft)
Jaque Fourie - Foreign (24 mill)
Jordan Crane - Leicester (16 mill)
Davit Kurbashvili - Foreign (20 mill)
Gary Botha - Draft
Nathan Charles - National League (3 mill)
Schalk Burger - Foreign (24 mill)
Matt Stevens - Sarries (Dickinson deal)
Johan Goosen - Foreign (16 mill)
Jonathon Davies - Foreign (20 mill)
Cruden and Haydn Thomas (for Wilko and Peel)
Matt Garvey and Jonathan Jospeh (for Cueto, Stevens and Fourie)
Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe - Foreign (23 mill)
Players Out
Tommy Taylor - Released (1.5 mill)
Tony Buckley - Released (4 mill)
Mark Easter - Released (1.5 mill)
Andrew Higgins - Released (1.5mill)
Dickinson + 3 mill (for stevens)
Tucalet, Ostrikov, Auva'a, Cobilas Released total of (8 mill)
Wilko and Peel (for Cruden and Hadyn Thomas)
Cueto, Stevens and Fourie (for Garvey and Joseph).
Hendrie Fourie - Retired 6 mill

Hmmm..now wondering if I should be releasing him at all! Heard he is a bit of a talent, but need the cash. Might let Rob Cook go instead

Sheridan?

Sorry mate, but I don't rate Stevens highly at all since his comeback.

Not sure where to take that one mate as I rate Ayerza much higher than Sheridan

I'll leave it mate

Wilko + Mulipola + Kubs
=
Heathcote + Corbs + Wilson

Can we do anything for Davies mate?

Slater for Thomas?

Actually rate Slater higher than Thomas. Thomas looks raw and a poor scrummager but has something about him so worth the risk.

Slater will get England cap within year, he's a brute of a 4 and a great carrier but I have loads of locks so could take a hit.

Wouldn't look to lose Slater & Twelvetrees for Thomas mate

Think 36 is worth more than Thomas, could possibly do 36 for Imolek + Thomas

Thomas?

I'd need another improvement. Cruden form 10 in the world an steffon in incredible fOrm, with burger out too. Include JD for trev?

Peel, Wilko, Burger and JD
for
Thomas, Cruden, Armitage and Sackey

Otherwise not losing steffon or cruden.

Not sure where the three losses are? Cruden is better than Wilko these days.

I'd happily take out burger for steffon? You wanted that involved so assumes you agreed with me.

Cruden and Thomas
for
Wilko and Peel

Go on then

None that I reckon you'll trade, sorry mate.

Miller, in the deal?

Cruden?

Looking to use Wilson in another deal mate sorry, but how does this look;

Bendy + Helleur + Poff
=
Cueto + Tui + Crane

TH's nfs

What for Seymore?

Sorry mate but Kvesic is a rising star in the English game where as Seymore is fading off and pretty injury prone.

Rate both my players higher in that deal mate, if Croft was looking to be involved Id need Burger back.

Tbh mate Etzebeth is NFS, but I would have some interest in Burger. I would be interested in going in quite big for Goosen however and Thomas however.

Considering Corbs potentially could be going in another deal I think we've hit a rut mate. And in consideration not too interested in Tui. Although I could save a foreign then.

Still interested in; Mulipola, Kubs, thomas, gaskell, schofield, burger, vernon, crane, Goosen, some interest in Tui Fourie, JD, Miller and Macleod

What for Cruden / Goosen?

Got £29m to spend and some players to improve you. Where are you looking to improve?

Healy and SOB could leave, but both top player and rated very highly on here, most had Healy #1 lh in world

Healy + Donald + Catt
4
Thomas + Cruden + mullipola

?

Cruden, Vernon and Sheridan
for
SOB and Healy

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Not a bad start, but not sure I want to lose both SOB and Healy and not keen on Sheridan

Healy + Donald
4
Mullipola + Cruden

or

Healy + Donald
4
Thomas + Goosen

Goosen, Fourie, Vernon and Imoliek/Sheridan
for
Donald, Laulala, SOB and Healy

Gives you improved 10 and 13 and means you have future SA 10-13 and i get an improved LH and another physical backrower to play with Schalk.

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Don't want to lose SOB and Healy mate, can't we just drop the two middle bits, as they are both 1 gain each

Cruden + Imiloek
4
Donald + Healy

Botha, Amesbury and Powell
for
Homer and Guest

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No thanks mate, Homer is important for me.

The reason i'm hesitant is that theres not really any 10's still availiable in foreigns who don't have massive question marks over them. Whereas there are plenty of looseheads of a similar ability to Healy (Woodcock, Domingo, Beast, Coonie, Barcella). Is there really no way you can do the offer above?

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Well you'd be starting Goosen, the form 10 in Super rugby and future star, don't see that as an issue! Also, Donald is a solid back up and if you wanted to, could get FTD, Hook, Priestland, Barrett.

I went for Healy because all the other LHs had question marks over tem. Woodcock getting on a bit, Blues been awful this year. Domingo and Barcella always injured so hard to rate. Beast not considered a good scrummager and Cooenie recently moved to TH.

Healy is a world beater, Cruden almost is. Donald is WC AB, Imiloek is prospect and not a starter for you, so seems like a good deal to me.

Shall we try again for Cruden? Give me a decent list of players

^^ So in summary, I was saying

Cruden + Imiloek
4
Donald + Healy

Another deal hijacked! Sad face. He's already got Flood, Barnes, Ford!

Thought that we were quite close. Failing a Cruden bid, i'd settle for Goosen.

Just don't deal without letting me know, as I've been trying to negotiate with you for a long time now.

Cheers

So you dont want a FH back?

Ford nfs mate, could get some of the others in though. Always hard when not straight swap in positions

Mate, can you check my page for any players that have retired?

Deacon + Lowe

Cruden + ?

Deacon + Care

Cruden + ?

Fair enough, would need an extra gain if stepping down to Goosen. Don't have
him much ahead of Donald at this point in time.

Goosen, Imoliek and Thomas and Crane
for
Donald and Healy and Perenise and Taylor

Any danger on this fella?

I like the idea but the deal itself leaves me without a replacement for Kitch, Seymour wouldn't play and I lose two EQ players.

Thomas + Fourie 4 Nonu + Tevita

To lose Kitch I need Gaskell.

See the difference between Nonu + Fourie as minimal in fact if anything Nonu slightly higher with Fourie playing in Japan

I just meant I'd need him included. Still see it as you getting the better deal as Kitch is definitely better than Gaskell and Nonu is probably a touch better than Fourie.

Goosen and Thomas
4
Donald and Perenise and £8m?

Gives you enough cash for your next foreign, as you've only got £12m. Perenise a starting international and a beast in the loose

Anything for Sheridan?

££?

What for Goosen and Mullipola mate?

How about

JD2 + Gaskell + Miller
4
Kitch + Nonu + Rooney

something I'd think about

Bathite wrote:Goosen and Thomas
4
Donald and Perenise and £8m?

Gives you enough cash for your next foreign, as you've only got £12m. Perenise a starting international and a beast in the loose

Where are we on this Goosen deal mate?