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Post by McLaren Tue 19 Jan 2016, 5:01 pm

I don't know of any fixing having taken place in golf but I am sure someone will have tried it at some point. But how exactly would you go about fixing golf? It is not like tennis where you can impact the other opponents outcome by throwing the match. This could happen in matchplay of course, but that is a rare format in pro golf. Is the ease with which matchplay could be fixed one of the reasons we don't see more of it?


I am unfamiliar with the types of golf betting that you can do so could those in the know come up with some theories as to how you could fix pro golf betting?

Is it realistic to think that fixing golf would be worth it?
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Post by navyblueshorts Tue 19 Jan 2016, 5:04 pm

Spot betting might be an issue I would guess i.e. odds that Player X scores a snowman on the 18th at the Players etc.
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Post by Davie Tue 19 Jan 2016, 8:26 pm

Yes spot fixing - as has happened in cricket and now allegedly tennis

When a big golf tourney is on you can bet "in play" and that involves betting on what featured groups do on one specific hole

I find it hard to imagine how golf could be involved in complete "match" fixing - stroke or matchplay - but spot fixing would definitely be possible

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Post by super_realist Tue 19 Jan 2016, 8:28 pm

Has someone been giving the American Ryder Cup team backhanders in the last few years? Medinah?

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Post by pedro Tue 19 Jan 2016, 9:48 pm

Paddy Power?

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Post by kwinigolfer Tue 19 Jan 2016, 10:10 pm

Back in the 1990's close to 50 Senior Tour players were fined for colluding to share prize money, regardless of the result, at "Unofficial Events", silly season tournaments, etc.
Not exactly fixing matches though.

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Post by beninho Wed 20 Jan 2016, 12:37 pm

Is spread betting still a thing? Over and under a certain score, player misses a makeable putt on one of the closing holes. Of course it can be done, and I would not be surprised if something has not on some minor tour event.

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Post by raycastleunited Wed 20 Jan 2016, 12:59 pm

As mentioned already, you can't really fix the result in golf unless it's match play, and this format is pretty rare and generally high profile.

Can't see the Ryder Cup being fixed, the players earn too much money. It's possible that events like the Walker Cup could be susceptible.

However, there are so many outside influences when playing golf that I can't imagine odds are very good, unless you are betting on something very specific like finding the water on 17th hole. I expect the market is pretty thin in this type of bet so suspicious patterns would be identifiable.

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Post by McLaren Wed 20 Jan 2016, 1:04 pm

Every sport seems to a have a major scandal hidden just under the surface or already exposed.

Cycling - PEDs
Football - corruption, PEDs, match fixing and so on
Athletics - PEDs
Tennis - Match fixing
NHL - brain damage (not sure what else maybe the yanks can fill in the rest?)
Baseball - Everything
F1 - Spying, race fixing (alonso Singapore 08 and no doubt many more), Bernie.
Cricket - spot fixing


Name a major sport and it probably isn't clean. For whatever reason - the Money? - major sports attract unethical behavior.

Apart from golf it seems. Do we really believe golf is one of the few uncorrupted sports or are we yet to discover its murky secrets and if so what do you reckon the scandal waiting to hit golf is?
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Post by raycastleunited Wed 20 Jan 2016, 1:40 pm

I'm sure there is use of PEDs in golf.

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Post by Roller_Coaster Fri 22 Jan 2016, 8:41 am

Match fixing is rife in golf.











I fixed mine for 9.30 tomorrow morning.

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Post by golfermartin Fri 22 Jan 2016, 10:21 am

Laugh

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Post by raycastleunited Mon 25 Jan 2016, 1:30 pm

I think Patrick Reed might have thrown matches. Otherwise how else do you explain his lowly world ranking of 10. We all know he is a top 5 player.

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Post by pedro Mon 25 Jan 2016, 7:09 pm

At least Poulter was more realistic. "Soon it'll just be Tiger and me." At #300.  Very Happy

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Post by George1507 Wed 27 Jan 2016, 9:15 am

I went to the 2006 World Matchplay at Wentworth, and I'm pretty sure there was something strange going on there.

I am not going to name any players, but the match I watched was between a player at the top of the golf world, and another, who whilst competent would not be seen in the same way.

And the lesser ranked player won. A pal of mine was the ref, and he said that there were three occasions when he'd expected to have to make a ruling on whether a player was entitled to a free drop, but he wasn't asked. Three straightforward putts from inside four feet were missed and one hole conceded for no obvious reason.

Now it may be that it was just 'one of those days' but there were quite a few people there who were shaking their heads at what they were watching. I think that's the only time I've ever seen anything that seemed questionable, and it sticks in my memory very clearly.

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Post by beninho Wed 27 Jan 2016, 9:31 am

Shaun Micheel?

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Post by George1507 Wed 27 Jan 2016, 10:08 am

Might have been him against another bloke.

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Post by kwinigolfer Wed 27 Jan 2016, 10:57 am

Some strange results that year George, and it ended with a Micheel (who, after all, was only a few weeks away from a 2nd place finish at the PGA) thrashing from Casey.
But too easy for anyone to look at "matches" and conclude something was not right. Apathy, illness, bad form and the rest are all contributary factors to unusual results in golf, these guys are not machines after all. When appearance fees are also involved, I'd say anything can happen. And does.

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Post by George1507 Wed 27 Jan 2016, 1:39 pm

Kwini, yes there were some strange results around that time. I know strange stuff can happen, and does, and players can lose form, and do - but that game was very strange. However nothing was said at the time, nor later as far as I am aware, so I'd mentally kicked it into the long grass.

Conditions ten years later seem more conducive to match fixing - a plethora of online bookies who are prepared to take all kinds of spot bets, mobile access etc.

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Post by McLaren Wed 27 Jan 2016, 1:43 pm

George are you talking about the Micheel vs Tiger first round match. It would be a shame if we had to add match fixing to tigers charge sheet. warning
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Post by George1507 Wed 27 Jan 2016, 6:28 pm

Mac, Yes.

I watched Tiger that day and he played really poorly, and was missing putts all over the place. Ten days or so later I watched when he played at the Grove in the Amex WGC thing and he never missed a shot in four rounds. He won by a mile.

Strange.

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Post by kwinigolfer Wed 27 Jan 2016, 6:33 pm

Didn't he play Ryder Cup in between? Not exactly his finest moment, tho others were worse.
I still think there's a difference between, well, indifference and deliberately throwing a match.
But then I always believe the best in Tiger . . . . . Rolling Eyes

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Post by McLaren Wed 27 Jan 2016, 8:05 pm

Kwini

This may be going over old ground but Tiger never seemed to go into proper Tiger mode when playing the Ryder Cup. I have no trouble believing he couldn't be arsed with the Wentworth world match play.
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Post by navyblueshorts Wed 27 Jan 2016, 9:08 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:Some strange results that year George, and it ended with a Micheel (who, after all, was only a few weeks away from a 2nd place finish at the PGA) thrashing from Casey.
But too easy for anyone to look at "matches" and conclude something was not right. Apathy, illness, bad form and the rest are all contributary factors to unusual results in golf, these guys are not machines after all. When appearance fees are also involved, I'd say anything can happen. And does.
Not saying it goes on, but the above is one of he reasons why it'd be so easy to cover up for a player doing a little of this on the side.
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Post by kwinigolfer Wed 27 Jan 2016, 9:25 pm

Or you could just have bent linesmen, like the ones who officiate Everton games this season. And last for that matter.

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Post by raycastleunited Wed 27 Jan 2016, 10:57 pm

Hard to believe Tiger of 2006 would throw a match. Too much money in the bank. More likely he was absolutely shattered after being up all night shagging hookers in his hotel room. Probably totally drained.

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Post by SmithersJones Thu 28 Jan 2016, 9:48 am

kwinigolfer wrote:Or you could just have bent linesmen, like the ones who officiate Everton games this season. And last for that matter.

Corruption in Liverpool? Surely not!
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Post by navyblueshorts Thu 28 Jan 2016, 2:38 pm

raycastleunited wrote:Hard to believe Tiger of 2006 would throw a match. Too much money in the bank. More likely he was absolutely shattered after being up all night shagging hookers in his hotel room. Probably totally drained.
Fnaar, fnaar!
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Post by McLaren Thu 28 Jan 2016, 5:07 pm

There probably isn't an appropriate place to post this, but the last couple of comments make this as good a place as any. Does anyone else think Tiger was probably into a bit of water sports?
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Post by Davie Thu 28 Jan 2016, 8:10 pm

What on this earth makes you even think that never mind post it? Tumbleweed

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Post by 1GrumpyGolfer Thu 28 Jan 2016, 8:46 pm

For those of you wondering whether it was windsurfing, water-skiing, or wake-boarding that Mac's referring to, please, please don't google water sports; your IT department will be most grateful.

And you wonder why people give you a hard time Mac picard

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Post by McLaren Thu 28 Jan 2016, 9:10 pm

Navy, don't pretend your mind doesn't wander.
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Post by Bob_the_Job Fri 29 Jan 2016, 11:06 am

McLaren wrote:Navy, don't pretend your mind doesn't wander.

Yours clearly does - Navy didn't address anything towards you. I think you meant Davie laughing
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Post by McLaren Fri 29 Jan 2016, 11:09 am

Navy has deleted his post.
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Post by Bob_the_Job Fri 29 Jan 2016, 11:17 am

Didn't think you could do that. Don't think you should do that.
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Post by McLaren Fri 29 Jan 2016, 11:20 am

Navy is a mod, and has sadly misused his powers. boxing
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Post by navyblueshorts Fri 29 Jan 2016, 1:41 pm

McLaren wrote:Navy has deleted his post.
No I didn't. I've never deleted a single post I've made. You can get help for this sort of thing you know....

Edit: actually, that's not true. I've deleted inappropriate sections of threads, which have sometimes included nonsense of my own! I've no idea what post you're talking about here Mac...


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Post by McLaren Fri 29 Jan 2016, 1:56 pm

oops. The post is still there, it was actually made by grumps. It was just written in a navy like tone. Sorry everybody. Run
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Post by 1GrumpyGolfer Fri 29 Jan 2016, 5:40 pm

Mac, I can categorically state that I have never had the desire to pee on my missus or to have her pee on me.  I also don't care whether Tiger Woods is in to that kind of stuff either and frankly don't want to know.

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Post by 1GrumpyGolfer Fri 29 Jan 2016, 5:44 pm

Also, if you are not a mod you can delete a post you made to a thread if it is the last one on that thread. Once someone else posts after it you can only edit and not delete.

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