606V2 P4P Top 15 rankings: Please submit VOTES!

It’s time to vote for the 606V2 POUND FOR POUND Top 15 rankings (Q1 2014).

Rules:
-Only 1 post per 606 member.
-Only active fighters allowed (must of fought in the last 18 months unless officially retired)
-Outlandish listings will be DQ.
-A fighter needs two individual votes to have his points included.

Principles:
Your Top 15 should be based as at the current point in time.

Point Scoring System:
Quite simple, #1 scores 15 points, #2 scores 14 points etc… I will tally up the totals by the deadline date and will present the results.

NOTE: PLEASE TRY AND USE FULL NAMES (or correct surnames) & LIST your results.

For reference only, the previous Top 15 606v2 P4P rankings as at 31st December 2013 was:


1 (1) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2 (2) Andre Ward
3 (8) Timothy Bradley
4 (20) Guillermo Rigondeaux
5 (6) Wladimir Klitschko
6 (4) Juan Manuel Marquez
7 (5) Sergio Martinez
8 (7) Manny Pacquiao
9 (21) Danny Garcia
10 (3) Nonito Donaire
11 (New) Mikey Garcia
12 (9) Carl Froch
13 (19) Gennedy Golovkin
14 (14) Saul Alvarez
15 (10) Adrian Broner

16 (New) Adonis Stevenson
17 (18) Bernard Hopkins
18 (13) Yuriorkis Gamboa
19 (11) Abner Mares

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Andre Ward
3. Guillermo Rigondeaux
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Sergio Martinez
6. Timothy Bradley
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Adonis Stevenson
9. SaulAlvarez
10. CarlFroch
11. Bernard Hopkins
12. Yuriokia Gamboa
13. Mikey Garcia
14. Leo Santa Cruz
15. Gennedy Golovkin

Beyond the top four it's much of a muchness really, very hard to seperate them.

Manny Pacquiao
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Andre Ward
Guillermo Rigondeaux
Wladimir Klitschko
Sergio Martinez
Timothy Bradley
Juan Manuel Marquez
Adonis Stevenson
Gennedy Golovkin
Nonito Donaire
Mikey Garcia
Erislandy Lara
Bernard Hopkins
Shawn Porter

After their last respective fights, I feel Manny's punch output, timing and disciplined pressure would outwork Floyd if they were ever to meet up. I also feel Manny's record barring his performances against Marquez is better than Mayweather's. Agreed, Manny lost to Marquez, but I do honestly believe he was in control of that fight and was caught cold looking for the KO.

What about the third fight between them ATG?

Caught cold? He was hit by a huge shot because he left himself so open to be countered, there was no luck involved in that, it was because of Marquez's timing and Pacmans ill discipline, not sure how we can erase his two recent losses just because he beat Bradley.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:What about the third fight between them ATG?

Caught cold? He was hit by a huge shot because he left himself so open to be countered, there was no luck involved in that, it was because of Marquez's timing and Pacmans ill discipline, not sure how we can erase his two recent losses just because he beat Bradley.

I think we have to agree to disagree on this. Khan was dominating Garcia before being caught cold, that's boxing and it can happen to any fighter. However, this doesn't go to say Garcia is a better boxer than Khan, as I feel Khan would win 9 times out of 10.

Pacquiao struggles with Marquez, it's no secret. But he was in control of the fight and was caught cold whilst himself looking for the KO. If Marquez had never of nailed the get out of jail shot, he probably would of been stopped in the next round.

Pacquiao looked good in the Marquez fight, was totally dominant vs. Rios and then secured arguably the best win of his ledger vs. an undisputed top 10 P4P fighter in Timothy Bradley (who he's defeated twice in most peoples eyes). He's a better fighter than Floyd for me.

It really can't happen to any fighter, that's why it's not happened to Mayweather, Hopkins, Ward or even Martinez.

That's complete conjecture, we have to deal with what did happen not what you think could have happened, there's nothing to suggest that Marquez gets stopped because it didn't happen and never has.

So we completely ignore the fact Marquez knocked him clean out and got robbed in their fight prior to that just because Pacquiao looked good in a couple of rounds?

Lets also not over egg the Bradley win here, it's his fourth best win, a mile behind Morales, Barrera, Marquez 2 and Cotto, while i'm left wondering what the hell an undisputed p4per is.

1) Mayweather 2) Rigondeaux 3) Pacquiao 4) Ward 5) Bradley 6) Martinez 7) Wladimir Klitschko 8) Marquez 9) Danny Garcia 10) Donaire 11) Stevenson 12) Hopkins 13) Froch 14) Mikey Garcia 15) Gamboa

Really tricky to do a fifteen right now. With Donaire against Vetyeka coming up, as well as Gamboa-Crawford, there's a couple of chances for some of the guys above to really establish or re-embellish their claims. Top four is clear enough for me in terms of names (putting them in order isn't as straightforward) but outside of that, hard to formulate a concrete argument for / against anyone.

FMJ
Ward
Martinez
Rigo
JMM
Pacman
Bradley
Wlad
Stevenson
Hopkins
D. Garcia
M. Garcia
Golovkin
Gamboa
Donaire

88Chris05 wrote:1) Mayweather 2) Rigondeaux 3) Pacquiao 4) Ward 5) Bradley 6) Martinez 7) Wladimir Klitschko 8) Marquez 9) Danny Garcia 10) Donaire 11) Stevenson 12) Hopkins 13) Froch 14) Mikey Garcia 15) Gamboa

Really tricky to do a fifteen right now. With Donaire against Vetyeka coming up, as well as Gamboa-Crawford, there's a couple of chances for some of the guys above to really establish or re-embellish their claims. Top four is clear enough for me in terms of names (putting them in order isn't as straightforward) but outside of that, hard to formulate a concrete argument for / against anyone.

How is a guy who's beaten Donaire and sack all else above Ward.....Respectfully disagree with that one....Rigo reminds me of the hyperbole Breland got before Starling...You'd have thought Breland was the next SRR.......

Might as well have stuck Honey above Hagler back in the day..

1. May
2. Ward
3. Pacman
4. Rigo
5. Wlad
6. Martinez
7.  D Garcia
8. Bradley
9. Donaire
10. Froch
11. Stevenson
12. M Garcia
13. JMM
14. GGG
15. Gamboa

All Time Great wrote:Manny Pacquiao
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Andre Ward
Guillermo Rigondeaux
Wladimir Klitschko
Sergio Martinez
Timothy Bradley
Juan Manuel Marquez
Adonis Stevenson
Gennedy Golovkin
Nonito Donaire
Mikey Garcia
Erislandy Lara
Bernard Hopkins
Shawn Porter

After their last respective fights, I feel Manny's punch output, timing and disciplined pressure would outwork Floyd if they were ever to meet up. I also feel Manny's record barring his performances against Marquez is better than Mayweather's. Agreed, Manny lost to Marquez, but I do honestly believe he was in control of that fight and was caught cold looking for the KO.

Manny is 2-2 in his last four fights and face down in one ...............and he goes above Ward and Mayweather..

Fan boy alert..

1) Mayweather 2) Ward 3) Martinez 4) Rigondeaux 5) Pacquiao 6) Bradley 7) W Klitschko 8) Marquez 9) Danny Garcia 10) Donaire 11) Hopkins 12) Stevenson 13) Golovkin 14) M Garcia 15) Gamboa

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

88Chris05 wrote:1) Mayweather 2) Rigondeaux 3) Pacquiao 4) Ward 5) Bradley 6) Martinez 7) Wladimir Klitschko 8) Marquez 9) Danny Garcia 10) Donaire 11) Stevenson 12) Hopkins 13) Froch 14) Mikey Garcia 15) Gamboa

Really tricky to do a fifteen right now. With Donaire against Vetyeka coming up, as well as Gamboa-Crawford, there's a couple of chances for some of the guys above to really establish or re-embellish their claims. Top four is clear enough for me in terms of names (putting them in order isn't as straightforward) but outside of that, hard to formulate a concrete argument for / against anyone.

How is a guy who's beaten Donaire and sack all else above Ward.....Respectfully disagree with that one....Rigo reminds me of the hyperbole Breland got before Starling...You'd have thought Breland was the next SRR.......

Might as well have stuck Honey above Hagler back in the day..

Well going back to what I said before Truss, I think Rigondeaux, Pacquiao and Ward, as things stand right now, are basically level and interchangeable between 2-4.

Ward might have the better overall body of work if you compare him to Rigondeaux, but here's my issue with S.O.G right now - he's just wasting away his prime years. Two and a half years nearly since beating Froch, but only two fights since then. Granted, he looked great in both of them, and fair enough he's had injury and managerial problems. But you have to be judged on what you're producing in the ring and, right now, I just don't think Ward's doing enough to build on that Super Six success and the immense talent he has.

Rigondeaux's probably the beat technician out there aside from Floyd and put on a couple of master classes against good fighters in 2013 in the shape of Donaire and Agbeko. Struggling to get the big fights and only appearing once every six months, but that's more than Ward right now.

But as everyone keeps saying, there ain't many water-tight arguments to be made when it comes to the pound for pound issue right now, except that Mayweather is still the obvious number one.

Got to ask Chris, who is this Guzman guy that Rigo is fighting next up, never heard of him, record suggests a big puncher but he's been fighting cans mainly, how is he an acceptable fight?

Just as a side not his 17 opponents have a total of 61 wins compared to 151 losses.

Not sure if I have rated the Pooch higher than he should be but ah well its been submitted now

Hand-picked for harmlessness, mate. Can't argue with that. But he's fighting whereas Ward isn't. If you scan back to 2013 as well, I'd take Rigondeaux's year over Ward's any day of the week.

Ward put in a couple of fantastic showings in the Super Six - the jobs he did on Kessler and Froch were great. But the memories and present-day relevance of that tournament are starting to fade a bit for me.

Again I'll stress, there isn't really anything between the next three guys after Floyd. But Ward's spent the last eighteen months doing more commentating than he has fighting.

Mayweather
Pacquiao
Rigondeaux
Ward
Bradley
Marquez
Martinez
D.Garcia
Donaire
Stevenson


I have just 10. Adding another 5 to take it to 15 would just be making up the numbers for me.

Bonkers how a fighter who's almost 50 in almost everyone's top 15!

Really difficult ranking this time round, no real stand outs. Adonis Stevenson seems to be the only fighter making a lateral move up the rankings, otherwise it's close quarters from 5 to 15.

Chris, not sure if Arum has forgiven Rigo for beating his prized asset in Donaire, he never wanted to make the fight in the first place but Nonito being the way he is forced his hand.

88Chris05 wrote:Hand-picked for harmlessness, mate. Can't argue with that. But he's fighting whereas Ward isn't. If you scan back to 2013 as well, I'd take Rigondeaux's year over Ward's any day of the week.

Ward put in a couple of fantastic showings in the Super Six - the jobs he did on Kessler and Froch were great. But the memories and present-day relevance of that tournament are starting to fade a bit for me.

Again I'll stress, there isn't really anything between the next three guys after Floyd. But Ward's spent the last eighteen months doing more commentating
than he has fighting.

In an odd way he did too much in too short a time leaving his options woefully short, once he'd beaten Kessler, Bika, Froch, Abraham, Dawson and Green there wasn't much left for him. The other belt holders are meaningless fights because he's beaten them all leaving him with the only option of moving up which he seems reluctant to do and even then Stevenson and Kovalev aren't much of a test for him but should still happen nonetheless.

The win over Rodriguez was pretty good but again he's just a fighter in the distant chasing pack, there's not a more nailed on divisional number one in the sport which for me means his previous work still means something.

88Chris05 wrote:Hand-picked for harmlessness, mate. Can't argue with that. But he's fighting whereas Ward isn't. If you scan back to 2013 as well, I'd take Rigondeaux's year over Ward's any day of the week.

Ward put in a couple of fantastic showings in the Super Six - the jobs he did on Kessler and Froch were great. But the memories and present-day relevance of that tournament are starting to fade a bit for me.

Again I'll stress, there isn't really anything between the next three guys after Floyd. But Ward's spent the last eighteen months doing more commentating than he has fighting.

Agree to a certain extent. However, his Super Six campaign was excellent, every fight was a near shut out victory against high class operators. In the modern day, can think of few fighters that have achieved this.

If he was actually active and moved up to challenge the LHW's such as Kovalev, Stevenson and Hopkins he could of become P4P#1.

1. Mayweather
2. Ward
3. Rigo
4. Pacquiao
5. Wladamir
6. Martinez
7. Bradley
8. JMM
9. Hopkins
10. Lara

mobilemaster8 wrote:1. Mayweather
2. Ward
3. Rigo
4. Pacquiao
5. Wladamir
6. Martinez
7. Bradley
8. JMM
9. Hopkins
10. Lara

Please could you submit 15, as opposed to 10? Really helps to distinguish a definitive top 10 as well providing a good spread eliminating any bias in the results, particularly in the middle order.

Thanks

Thanks

All good points, HH and ATG. But to be honest, given where he's at right now, I'd even settle for him just being back of the ring to take care of some mandatories.

Ward's 30 now. It's not inconceivable that he may only have another couple of years left before he starts to wind down. Appreciate that his style and nous probably means he's good for a little while longer than that, but it's never a guarantee.

I don't know why he's so bullish about his stance of not having to chase people or go up in weight, to be honest. At 168, there's not really much there for him. Chavez as a potential money fight. Groves if he were to beat Froch (although I suspect Groves, without a permanent promoter as he is, would want a couple of defences and time to get his affairs properly sorted in the long term before taking that fight anyway). It's great how he's literally cleared out his weight class, because so few do it these days....But he's too talented to just stop there.

He won his Olympic gold as a Light-Heavy, so it's not as if he's dreadfully undersized for the weight. With Stevenson having jumped ship to Showtime, I'm sure Kovalev would now bite Ward's hand off if he challenged him for his WBO belt. Even when they mention Golovkin to Ward he just seems uninterested, a kind of "if it happens, it happens - it not, meh" attitude.

His career just seems to be lacking focus and direction at the moment. Needs to remedy it soon.

Ward needs to fight. It's all very well this dominating your division lark but aside from the licence to print money that is Jcc junior, the real fights are stevenson and kovalev either of whom would provide a genuine challenge. 3G might move up if ward sticks at super mid, but as Chris said at the moment he's Wee weeing away his prime.

Ward is currently undergoing a huge lawsuit so won't be able to fight, not really his fault to be honest...

1.) Floyd Mayweather
2.) Andre Ward
3.) Rigondeaux
4.) Manny PAcqiaou
5.) Timothy Bradley
6.) Juan Manuel Marquez
7.) Bernard Hopkins
8.) Carl Froch
9.) Sergio Martinez
10.) Wladimir Klitschko
11.) Nonito Donaire
12.) Adonis Stevenson
13.) Danny Garcia
14.) Erislandy Lara
15.) Saul Canelo Alvarez

It's really difficult once you get past the first few, the only easy thing for me was Mayweather number 1.

I think it is his fault Alex. He didn't have a gun to his head when hd signed the contract extension. He pitches himself as a smart guy. If he was smart he'd fight on with goosen whilst continuing his efforts to wriggle free of his contract (regardless of whether his lawyers advise him to the contrary.

Ward seems to be a one thing focused guy, let's say he is working a lot to sort out his lawsuit, fights Stevenson, isn't quite as focused as he usually would be, gets hits with a left. Sparked. Almost end of the road for someone like Ward who struggles to sell and everyone knows is incredible. Think he'd rather be 100% focused on everything, that's the kind of character he strikes me as.

Manny Pacquiao
Wladimir Klitschko
Andre Ward
Floyd Mayweather
Rigendioux
Sergio Martinez
Timothy Bradley
Juan Manuel Marquez
Adonis Stevenson
Gennedy Golovkin
Nonito Donaire
Mikey Garcia
Erislandy Lara
Bernard Hopkins
Amir Khan

Pacquiao's dominance over the p4p #3 and Floyds struggles to overcome a limited fighter in Maidana has meant floyd dropping out of the top 3. Klitschko and Ward are both above mayweather due to the fact no one in their weight division can touch them, they are the undisputed best.

1.) Floyd Mayweather
2.) Andre Ward
3.) Manny Pacquiao
4.) Rigondeaux
5.) Timothy Bradley
6.) Juan Manuel Marquez
7.)  Sergio Martinez
8.) Wladimir Klitschko
9.) Mikey Garcia
10.) Bernard Hopkins
11.) Carl Froch
12.) Danny Garcia
13.) Adonis Stevenson
14.) Gennedy Golovkin
15.) Nonito Donaire

Saul Canelo Alvarez
Erislandy Lara
Amir Khan

milkyboy wrote:Ward needs to fight.

Hagler fought once in two years (Apr 85- Apr 87) and stayed number 2 while Curry was champ...Going back to number 1 in sept 86......

Mayweather went from being outside of the rankings into 2nd place in 2009...funnily enough just as talk picked up about him coming out of retirement to face Sugar Shane who was number 3 despite only beating a cheating Margarito 11 months prior to the release of the ranking and Mayorga the year before   funny old thing these rankings!

1: Mayweather
2: Rigondeux
3: Pacquiao
4: Ward
5: Klitschko
6: Bradley
7: Martinez
8: Marquez
9: D.Garcia
10: M. Garcia

11: Froch 12: Uchyima 13: Hopkins 14: Donaire 15: R. Gonzalez

Jesus what an OAP club of fighters. Puts into perspective how weak things are at the moment.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Manny Pacquiao
Wladimir Klitschko
Andre Ward
Floyd Mayweather
Rigendioux
Sergio Martinez
Timothy Bradley
Juan Manuel Marquez
Adonis Stevenson
Gennedy Golovkin
Nonito Donaire
Mikey Garcia
Erislandy Lara
Bernard Hopkins
Amir Khan

Pacquiao's dominance over the p4p #3 and Floyds struggles to overcome a limited fighter in Maidana has meant floyd dropping out of the top 3. Klitschko and Ward are both above mayweather due to the fact no one in their weight division can touch them, they are the undisputed best.

CS the list sucks......Mate..

Mayweather last 2 years: Cotto, Guerrero, Alvarez, Maidana.
Klitschko: Wach, Pianeta, Povetkin, Leapai.

You've left out the Thompson rematch for Wlad, Scott. Hardly fair.

I actually meant to write that, because it makes the difference even more striking.

1.Wladimir Klitschko
2.Manny Pacquiao
3. David Haye [not sure whether he retired if not he is in my list]
4. Floyd MayWeather
5. Amir Khan
6. Andre Ward
7. Maidana
8. Derek Chisora
9. Carlos Molina
10. D Garcia
11. M Garcia
12. Guillermo Rigondeaux
13. Omar Narvaez
14. Juan Francisco Estrada
15. Takashi Uchiyama

DirectView wrote:1.Wladimir Klitschko
2.Manny Pacquiao
3. David Haye [not sure whether he retired if not he is in my list]
4. Floyd MayWeather
5. Amir Khan
6. Andre Ward
7. Maidana
8. Derek Chisora
9. Carlos Molina
10. D Garcia
11. M Garcia
12. Guillermo Rigondeaux
13. Omar Narvaez
14. Juan Francisco Estrada
15. Takashi Uchiyama

WHAT'S GOING ON!?!?!

This dude has convinced me that Mayweather doesn't belong on top spot.

Apparently, not only Maidana but also Alvarez "kicked Mayweather's ass." We just didn't notice it because the cameramen tricked us all.

Bad language warning, by the way!

Haz put weight on ????

.Looks like Alvarez gave Floyd a " silent beating "......This fat guy's last name isn't McIlvanney is it ??

Scottrf wrote:Mayweather last 2 years: Cotto, Guerrero, Alvarez, Maidana.
Klitschko: Wach, Pianeta, Povetkin, Leapai.

If the p4p list is based on opponents then Floyd should be no where near the top. Guerrero/Maidana were seen as very limited fighters and alvarez was weight drained and cotto was seen as past it.

If it is based on opponents then someone like danny garcia would be number 1 as wins over amir khan and matthysse trump anything mayweather has done or even froch who in the last 2 years has beaten Bute,kessler and Groves.

Even Hopkins wins in the last 2 years have been more impressive with wins over pascal, cloud, murat and shumenev

In fairness CS..........You don't just take a p4p list over the short term.........Or we have Terry Norris number 1........with Chavez and Whittaker behind him...

Know what I mean ??

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:In fairness CS..........You don't just take a p4p list over the short term.........Or we have Terry Norris number 1........with Chavez and Whittaker behind him...

Know what I mean ??

yep I agree, it has to be more long term. The reason Mayweather is number 4 for me is that he has faced poor opposition in the last 4/5 fights and he has struggled in a few of those fights, 2 MD wins and struggling past an aged cotto and a limited fighter in maidana. (alvarez fight was poor because it was a 152 catchweight when canelo struggles to make 154).

hen was the last time Mayweather faced the #2 welerweight? pacquiao, Bradley?

Klitschko is number 2 because he is untouchable in his weight division and he has 2 very good wins over david haye and povetkin who were both ranked the 2nd best HW's at the time (excluding Vitali). I don't see how mayweather's last 4/5/ opponents have been better than haye/povetkin the only difference being Klitschko has beaten them easier than myweather has.

So Manny gets a free ride for being 2-2.........Flattened off JMM and losing a decision to Bradley.......

If you say the Bradley fight was a robbery and doesn't count..I'll tell you to factor in JMM beating him three times..on your list

Rigo
Ward
Mayweather
Manny
Bradley
Garcia
Stevenson
Golovkin
Klitschko
Porter
Donaire
Lara
Martinez
Maidana
Frampton

Povetkin is in no shape or form a better boxer than any of Mayweathers recent opposition not even Ortiz.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Haz put weight on ????

.Looks like Alvarez gave Floyd a " silent beating "......This fat guy's last name isn't McIlvanney is it ??

I've got about as much hair......

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Mayweather last 2 years: Cotto, Guerrero, Alvarez, Maidana.
Klitschko: Wach, Pianeta, Povetkin, Leapai.

If the p4p list is based on opponents then Floyd should be no where near the top. Guerrero/Maidana were seen as very limited fighters and alvarez was weight drained and cotto was seen as past it.

Tough crowd   Leapai a world beater then?

1 - Mayweather
2 - Wlad
3 - Rigo
4 - Ward
5 - Pacquaio
6 - Martinez
7 - D. Garcia
8 - Bradley
9 - JMM
10 - Hopkins
11 - Lara
12 - Froch
13 - Golovkin
14 - Alvarez
15 - Donnaire

Wlad at n°2 controversial, but he's beaten everyone worth beating who was willing to step in the ring with him while barely losing a round over the last few years. The HW division may not be strong (pretty poor really) but he's just so far above his competition that I think that handicaps him more than anything in some people's lists.

Ward just isn't fighting enough, and is in serious danger of "wasting" his phenomenal talent. Bradley's headless chicken performance against Manny obviously sees him lose a fair few spots, while Manny moves up a few.