Lions fallout - Keith Wood is a "Mé Féiner"
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Lions fallout - Keith Wood is a "Mé Féiner"
The war of words rages on. Lets reopen old wounds.
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/keith-wood-warren-gatland-1145455-Oct2013/
I agree with Gatland that he is a bit of a Mé Féiner plus I am impressed with his use of Irish. Nice one Gatty!
By the way in a recent interview Drico has actually confirmed that he has given Gatland a christmas card already at a recent function. Nice one Drico!
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/keith-wood-warren-gatland-1145455-Oct2013/
I agree with Gatland that he is a bit of a Mé Féiner plus I am impressed with his use of Irish. Nice one Gatty!
By the way in a recent interview Drico has actually confirmed that he has given Gatland a christmas card already at a recent function. Nice one Drico!
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Plus BoD gave him a Christmas card the other day, so all is well with the world.
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Guns exposes himself as a closet late late show fan....
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Could have just seen the clip. I confess I did watch it that night and they did have a good lineup.rodders wrote:Guns exposes himself as a closet late late show fan....
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In the end Wood is a patriot... he always has been from the moment he put on his jersey, whoever he played for he went at it full pelt. His heart rules his head sometimes but thats why people love/loved him. I mean I would swear I once saw him singing during the halftime break of a test international on the pitch with the crowd to jeer up his troops. He saw the player that has dragged both IRE and the Lions to respectability time and time again and questioned Gatlands motives.
I too certainly questions Gatlands 11 odd changes in the final test... has that ever happened in a RWC KO stages for example? Gatland was by no shape or form perfect in this tour, but he delivered and thats the bottom line. Hes going to eat out on that 3rd test for many years to come and hats off to him, he deserves it.... he's done something that better coaches with better squads have failed to achieve (just a shame AUS have been smashed by everyone else this season to lessen the achievement).
The current pro's are a little touchy when it comes to criticism, they don't like it when retired players question form, decisions, judgement. They have to take it... what do they expect.. an entourage ala Mike Tyson where everyone praises him and no one dares questions his authority??? That leads to nothing bar disaster.
I too certainly questions Gatlands 11 odd changes in the final test... has that ever happened in a RWC KO stages for example? Gatland was by no shape or form perfect in this tour, but he delivered and thats the bottom line. Hes going to eat out on that 3rd test for many years to come and hats off to him, he deserves it.... he's done something that better coaches with better squads have failed to achieve (just a shame AUS have been smashed by everyone else this season to lessen the achievement).
The current pro's are a little touchy when it comes to criticism, they don't like it when retired players question form, decisions, judgement. They have to take it... what do they expect.. an entourage ala Mike Tyson where everyone praises him and no one dares questions his authority??? That leads to nothing bar disaster.
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Let's face it, any of the coaching candidates and many of the 606 lions selections would've done it. Australia were in a real mess and are just starting to recover now. Deans made a pigs ear of the whole show.
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I just checked what that means. thats a outrageous slur on a good man. Gatland hang your head in shame
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I wouldn't describe Wood as a mé féiner (which means "me, myself" ie a selfish person). Wood isn't a great pundit though.
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He was a bit of a me feiner when he played for Ireland under Gatland. He was more or less responsible for Gatland getting the boot or so the story goes. The two have history.profitius wrote:I wouldn't describe Wood as a mé féiner (which means "me, myself" ie a selfish person). Wood isn't a great pundit though.
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He also claims to have brought Andy Farrell on the Lions to spy on England.TJ wrote:I just checked what that means. thats a outrageous slur on a good man. Gatland hang your head in shame
Not the brightest bulb in the box!
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History is that Woody (& senior players who had been on Lions) wanted Gatty to hire specialist coaches (Eddie was forced on him and Ireland started winning games with him as backs coach).GunsGerms wrote:He was a bit of a me feiner when he played for Ireland under Gatland. He was more or less responsible for Gatland getting the boot or so the story goes. The two have history.profitius wrote:I wouldn't describe Wood as a mé féiner (which means "me, myself" ie a selfish person). Wood isn't a great pundit though.
Woody wanted a defence coach then, and again Gatty didn't want one. The IRFU didn't renew Gatty's contract, EOS got the main job and Ireland got a defence coach.
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Gatland is on the Late Late show tonight apparently...might even watch it for once.
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For me the guy can do no wrong....massive fan since seeing his contribution to the 97 Lions tour on the pitch and the dvd's (or videos then I suppose)
He wears his (Irish) heart on his sleeve but passion and patriotism in sport is a worthy trait imho.
He wears his (Irish) heart on his sleeve but passion and patriotism in sport is a worthy trait imho.
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Wood can be a touch one eyed but I wouldn't describe him as selfish. He desperately wants his teams to do well which is a little different.
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Gatland is just having his little moment in the sun and going back through old personal blacklisted people to take a swipe at.
I recall Wood speaking well of him as a coach in the past, saying he was too advanced for Irish rugby at the time and it was slow to accept professional change which Gatland wanted to implement.
I recall Wood speaking well of him as a coach in the past, saying he was too advanced for Irish rugby at the time and it was slow to accept professional change which Gatland wanted to implement.
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No way!!! Find that hard to believe. That would be class.ME-109 wrote:Gatland is on the Late Late show tonight apparently...might even watch it for once.
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That's what RTE are saying. Fair dues...he wont get an easy audience although Tubs probably wont be too probing in his questioning.
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Tubs is a wet rag. Shame he wasnt on it last week. Now that would have been good.ME-109 wrote:That's what RTE are saying. Fair dues...he wont get an easy audience although Tubs probably wont be too probing in his questioning.
Hopefully he does get an easy audience. Time to move on. Wish Drico had said nothing to be honest the more I think about it.
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Probably a bit of pantomime hissing and booing and once Gatland doesn't go for some verbal diarrhoea then it will be a damp squib...
On the other hand Gats is quite capable of putting his foot in his mouth and just blowing it all up again.
On the other hand Gats is quite capable of putting his foot in his mouth and just blowing it all up again.
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How about Gats using Farrell for inside info on England! Bad enough doing it but admitting it too
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Could be a car crash waiting to happen...
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That couldn't be true. He was sacked* (with the help of Woody) because he was stuck in the mud with regard to coaching methods. EOS was installed. Woody was very influential in Irish rugby (and still is - he was one of the panel that interviewed Joe Schmidt for the Ireland job).fa0019 wrote:Gatland is just having his little moment in the sun and going back through old personal blacklisted people to take a swipe at.
I recall Wood speaking well of him as a coach in the past, saying he was too advanced for Irish rugby at the time and it was slow to accept professional change which Gatland wanted to implement.
Gatland likes his players to do what they are told. Woody (and most Irish players) wouldn't respond well to that. He suits the Welsh.
*His contract was not renewed, he wasn't sacked.
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And not noticing that Farrell would learn an awful lot more watching the Wales coach, coaching the Wales playersprofitius wrote:How about Gats using Farrell for inside info on England! Bad enough doing it but admitting it too
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Wonder if he will ever reuse that brilliant bit of tactics of the 15 man maul...Sin é wrote:And not noticing that Farrell would learn an awful lot more watching the Wales coach, coaching the Wales playersprofitius wrote:How about Gats using Farrell for inside info on England! Bad enough doing it but admitting it too
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It's more or less a given based on past examples that in-fighting between the players and coach don't end well. In Wales it is quite broadly believed that internal conflict was what led to Ruddock's resignation, with then-skipper Gareth Thomas supposedly one of the main antagonists (who, despite being a great player, has tarnished his legacy as a result imo). This only shows your remark to be needlessly general given that it's only since Gatland came in and established some measure of stability that there has been cooperation between the coaching staff, the players and the union. It wasn't so long ago that the opposite was true. So you tell me what worked better, Gatland's approach or what came before?Sin é wrote:That couldn't be true. He was sacked* (with the help of Woody) because he was stuck in the mud with regard to coaching methods. EOS was installed. Woody was very influential in Irish rugby (and still is - he was one of the panel that interviewed Joe Schmidt for the Ireland job).fa0019 wrote:Gatland is just having his little moment in the sun and going back through old personal blacklisted people to take a swipe at.
I recall Wood speaking well of him as a coach in the past, saying he was too advanced for Irish rugby at the time and it was slow to accept professional change which Gatland wanted to implement.
Gatland likes his players to do what they are told. Woody (and most Irish players) wouldn't respond well to that. He suits the Welsh.
*His contract was not renewed, he wasn't sacked.
For that matter tell me again which party has had more success since, Gatland or Ireland?
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Well Ireland without Gatland had more success....you cant really compare. Gatland isn't a country even though he thinks he is....
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ME-109 wrote:Wonder if he will ever reuse that brilliant bit of tactics of the 15 man maul...Sin é wrote:And not noticing that Farrell would learn an awful lot more watching the Wales coach, coaching the Wales playersprofitius wrote:How about Gats using Farrell for inside info on England! Bad enough doing it but admitting it too
The one he used with Ireland? Yes, we used it against the All Blacks last autumn and scored a try from it.
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Same outcome in both games though
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I don't suppose this comment could possibly have been a bit of a joke taken out of all tone and context? Gatland is an intelligent man and one who displays classic egocentric qualities so surely he would be well aware of the irony of calling someone like Wood a mé féiner?
EDIT just read the full article - disappointed. Sounds like he has imagined a personal attack from Wood based on past history and responded by launching an actual personal attack.
EDIT just read the full article - disappointed. Sounds like he has imagined a personal attack from Wood based on past history and responded by launching an actual personal attack.
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No. It failed.Griff wrote:Did Ireland score a try from it ?
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Maybe more about the players than the coach/tactic then?!
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I think it was more to do with circumstance. I believe that Ireland tried it in a crucial pool game v Argentina where we needed a try to win the game and go through the pool at Argentina's expense. They defended like demons as a result.Griff wrote:Maybe more about the players than the coach/tactic then?!
In the Wales NZ match the Wales try was never going to effect the result of the game and NZ didnt look too bothered.
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haha stumped.Griff wrote:The one he used with Ireland? Yes, we used it against the All Blacks last autumn and scored a try from it.ME-109 wrote:Wonder if he will ever reuse that brilliant bit of tactics of the 15 man maul...Sin é wrote:And not noticing that Farrell would learn an awful lot more watching the Wales coach, coaching the Wales playersprofitius wrote:How about Gats using Farrell for inside info on England! Bad enough doing it but admitting it too
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Well said Gats!
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Is it some sort of irish custom that you personally hand people Christmas cards in the middle of october?
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Of course.
When else would you do it?
When else would you do it?
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bet hes got his tree up already
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warren gatland clip on the late late show. seemed pretty diplomatic from both interviewer and gatland. suspect the topic will die a death now.
http://balls.ie/rugby/video-warren-gatland-talks-bod-late-late-show/
http://balls.ie/rugby/video-warren-gatland-talks-bod-late-late-show/
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MrsP wrote:Of course.
When else would you do it?
December...In the period leading up to Christmas...
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