Team Mayweather: 147 for Canelo or no fight

According to Steve Kim, Team Mayweather is saying that WBA/WBC junior middleweight champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez will have to come down to 147 if he wants to fight Floyd Mayweather Jr. on September 14th. There won’t be a catchweight of 150 and Mayweather won’t move up in weight to fight Canelo at his weight.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/2013/mayweather-147-for-canelo-or-no-fight/


Crap article full of guff, the writer is poor but I wonder if there is any truth in the story.


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EDIT: Seems this story is growIng legs, from BoxingScene:



According to Jose "Chepo" Reynoso, trainer of WBC/WBA 154-pound champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez (44-0-1, 30KOs), there is a weight issue that has to be worked out in order to fight WBC welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather Jr. (44-0, 26KOs) on September 14 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

Chepo claims that Mayweather wants the fight to take place at the welterweight limit of 147-pounds. Canelo wants to fight at the junior middleweight limit. Chepo says there is "0" chance of the bout take place at 147. They did propose the idea of having a catch-weight, which Mayweather rejected.

"Floyd wants every advantage on his side. Among one of the things that is often being stressed is that he wants Canelo at a lower weight. Why would I make my boy sacrifice so much? We proposed an intermediate weight for things to be level for both [fighters], but he refused. Yes we want to fight, but that does not mean [Mayweather] will get everything [he wants]," Chepo said to Erika Montoya.

The weight was an obvious concern when this fight was first discussed. Mayweather walks around close to the welterweight limit, while Canelo weighs over 170-pounds on the night of his fights. Mayweather hold the WBA's "super title" at 154, but he defeated Miguel Cotto, a small junior welterweight, to capture that title.

There will probably a million of these kind of articles thrown around over the next while which contradict each other until the fight actually gets made or they find new opponents. You would never know what to believe.

Seems ironic that Floyd is now pulling a Pacquiao in regards to weight draining.

In a similar vein I am happy to fight either Klitschko as long as they agree to make 160 maximum.

Classic Floyd. Always looking for an excuse......like 'take the test' all over again

Easy way for Floyd not to fight Canelo, its impossible for Canelo to make 147 at this point in his career

He didnt want DLH or Cotto to come down to 147

Because he didn't feel the need to eek out an advantage.

Is this for real??

Until its on Wiki, i'm not having any of it!!!

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Is this for real??

Until its on Wiki, i'm not having any of it!!!

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Is this for real??

Until its on Wiki, i'm not having any of it!!!

Them's there are real quotes.

Rowley wrote:In a similar vein I am happy to fight either Klitschko as long as they agree to make 160 maximum.

You can make 160?

bellchees wrote:

Rowley wrote:In a similar vein I am happy to fight either Klitschko as long as they agree to make 160 maximum.

You can make 160?

Not in this lifetime.

Four top p4pers on his record..15 years at the top..

...and you're using a tin pot article to slap him.....

Pathetic..

Pahahahaha How to Bait a Trussy 101

I really don't see any comment above that could cause offense to be honest, Truss. Before we get too deep in to this, like Manos I'll wait until we've had a definitive quote from Mayweather himself on the weight issue before dropping the hammer, but if it's true then Mayweather can have no complaints if the fans are critical of him here. If he's genuinely insisting that the fight has to be at Welterweight then, as far as I'm concerned, it's basically just an admission that he doesn't want the fight and I struggle to see how it could be perceived otherwise.

Those pointing out that Mayweather has been critical of Pacquiao "draining" opponents are right to do so as well in light of these rumours. Floyd's amazing career doesn't make him immune to charges of hypocrisy. Whether or not you think he's right to (seemingly) want no part of Alvarez is a different story, but if these reports are genuine then Floyd not fancying the fight is the only logical conclsion I can come to. Light-Middleweight or, at the very least, a catchweight of something like 151 lb is where a fight between the pair should happen and simply pointing that out doesn't equate to people pathetically slapping Mayweather down, for me.

Not sure what you are getting so wound up about Truss. If (and I stress it is a big if) Floyd is insisting or requesting Canelo to make 147 that is a request that is both unrealistic and almost certain to scupper the chances of a fight everyone wants to see happening. Would seem a perfectly valid topic of discussion. Can question the validity of the source but god knows how many threads on here originate from something someone has read on a boxing site. Struggle to see how this one is any different.

I'm woulnd up because for anyone else Guerrero was a wonderful win. Imagine If Burns had pulled it off or Khan.....

Guy has had a wonderful career. He doesn't need Canelo..

He has nothing to prove...

Reading this tripe is like reading an article destroying Abraham Lincoln for not bringing in a littering policy..

Just stop it.....Show some respect for a great fighter that deserves it.

The usual intelligent contribution from our Burns has had a fantastic career expert!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm woulnd up because for anyone else Guerrero was a wonderful win. Imagine If Burns had pulled it off or Khan.....

What's this thread got to do with Guerrero? Or Burns or Khan for that matter??

It is indeed big lad

So what you’re saying is Floyd is immune from criticism. I will mention it to Adam, see if we can amend the site rules. If the article is correct Floyd has asked for a stipulation which he knows will almost certainly be rejected, thus meaning this fight will not happen, as such he will be pretty much solely responsible for the fight not happening. Why on earth would folk not criticize him for this?

It is possible for folk to have respect for his career up to this point but still be disappointed with his stance in this negotiation if there is any truth to it.

Them there roids must be frying his tiny american flag waving brain.

There is a direct quote from Canelo's trainer contained in the Boxing Scene article so there is some substance to the story.

It might be a market tool to stir up interest who knows.

One thing that is sure is that Showtime will be looking for a return on their investment especially after the Guerrera fight fell short of expectations.

He's not immune nor he should be but let's dissect the arguments...........

1. He's a ducker for not taking on Manny.........When it takes two to tango...and he's fought more p4p fighters than anybody in the history of the game...60/40 so bad considering Leonard got 80/20 against Duran??

2. Whittaker is higher...Despite losing four times...Fighting inferior oppposition and having half of Floyd's longevity..

3. Louis is Top 10 but Floyd isn't...For some god known reason...That no one can explain

4. Guerrero was an easy fight and poor opposition.........Despite being number 8 p4p........

5. Half of the people on here picked unbeaten Hatton to beat him......Only an easy fight after the fact!!

6. If it is catchweight..........Leonard is top 10 and used it for Lalonde........Norris-Taylor..........that's ok though ..

7. Floyd was a super feather....You're all so keen for him to fight Canelo.....But use the argument that lightweight Duran v Hearns was a mismatch because of the weight difference!! 135-154 as opposed to 130-154..........

8. Despite trashing Mayorga...Naturally bigger Oscar was past it!!


Arguments don't stack up...........You know as well as me he beats Canelo and Broner........They were overrated.

He's flash and you guys don't like it..

Still his place in history will be decided across the pond...........and thank god for that!

Yeah us folk who are pushing him to fight at a weight he has already fought at on more than one occasion are out of order.

Read an American website........plenty of Floyd detractors over Stateside.

Wasn't Oscar super feather too.....maybe he shouldn't have bothered weight jumping to make the big money fights.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Still his place in history will be decided across the pond...........and thank god for that!

Ahhhhhh, Ameeeeeerica, that well known Land of Objectivity when it comes to their own.

Oooh, look at TRUSS getting all angsty...

Floyd is a top 10 ATG for me, regardless of who he fights next. Has to be.

Thing is, he could push himself into the top 5 here by being the man at LMW. That means he has cleaned up every weight division he's been in. The Pacquiao fight was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other, I'd never insinuate ducking although it could be argued either way.

He's open to criticism Truss, he can't say "fight at WW or no fight" to a LMW who's unified and hasn't fought at WW for 3 years if he wants people to believe he's taking on all comers.

I think you're looking for arguments which aren't really there, Truss.

What has Whitaker or Louis got to do with this really? We're not talking about where Floyd ranks all-time, if other fighters have used catchweights, how a purse between him and Pacquiao should have been split etc. Bringing those kind of things in to the thread seems little more than a way of taking the spotlight away from the simple fact that Mayweather (again, seemingly I'll stress) is being deliberately awkward and unreasonable with regards to potentially making the Alvarez fight happen.

If Floyd's next opponent was left down to a public vote of boxing fans, Alvarez would almost certainly be the chosen one right now and that's what people are getting at. All that other peripheral stuff is irrelevant, really. Floyd says that the money and his legacy are equally important to him; well, Alvarez fits the bill to a tee on both sides. He's a star attraction with a huge following and appeal, represents a challenge which Mayweather would be highly commended for if he took it on (and even more so if he won, which I think he would) and which would add to Floyd's already fantastic legacy.

Moreover, Floyd has fought and beaten the likes of De la Hoya and Cotto at 154 lb and still, I believe, is recognised as some kind of champion at that weight by the WBA. Many publications and fans alike have, until recently at least, named him as number one at Light-Middleweight.

In short, there isn't much reason as to why this fight shouldn't happen, and even less reason for it to be at Welterweight given that Alvarez has always been at 154 lb in the championship class and is pretty big at that weight class in any case.

You and some others might argue that he's right to avoid the fight for whatever reason, but if he really is demanding the bout at 147 then you'd at least have to admit that avoiding it is pretty much what he's doing?

Why has my comment about my missus lending Truss a tampon (in a joke way) been edited, yet on another thread there's a post where Davidemore is saying "I'll poop down your throat Truss"

Consistency please?

This thread is about Canelo-Floyd and how Floyd is making it impossible for this to happen

Its not about his P4P in history or his career to date, its about his next fight and how there is only really one guy who fits the bill and will excite everyone and thats Canelo

Why don't you just shut up...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The usual intelligent contribution from our Burns has had a fantastic career expert!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Why don't you just shut up...

Pot, kettle, black......

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Why don't you just shut up...

Your a nut

My kettle is white.....and My Mrs doesn't use it enough.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:My kettle is white.....and My Mrs doesn't use it enough.

racist

I understand the argument that Floyd should go up to 154 to fight Canelo and show that he has beaten the man at Light Middle, and I think that if the fight went ahead at 147 then there would be outcry that Canelo is weight drained and there will be a question mark over it in terms of Floyd's legacy.

But I also look at it from another perspective. Yes Floyd has won two titles at 154, but he has never claimed that it is his natural weight division and never put out a statement of intent to stay in that division to defend/unify.

So much is made of boxers going up in weight to challenge the champion in the division above but very rarely do we see someone go down a division to challenge the champion in the division below. Floyd is currently the nailed on p4p #1 and, as far as I can tell it's Canelo that has been chasing the fight wanting to take Mayweather's crown. So if he wants to do that then why is it that Mayweather should go up? Surely the argument can be made from the other side that Canelo could go down to challenge Mayweather.

If (and it's a big if) he were to beat him at 147 that would make Canelo a 2 weight world champion and he could lay claim to beating Mayweather at Mayweather's best weight. I see Canelo as the challenger in this fight so, purely from my perspective, if he wants to take the challenge why not do it at 147.

FYI I do want Floyd to go up to 154 and I think he has a relatively easy night with Canelo. The trout fight was close (I scored it to trout by 1 round but wouldn't argue with it going either way), and unless he fights smarter against Floyd, I don't see how he can pull off the upset.

The only reason people want to see him go up to 154 is that there is more of a chance of him losing there....

Bit like there would have been If Hagler had tried it on with Spinks at 175.........

But Hamsho TWICE!!!.........Obelmijas TWICE!!!! Was more to his liking..

But that's okay!!

Or maybe it is because we want to see him push himself, prove the greatness most of us feel is within his grasp and go into a fight where he is something other than the overwhelming favourite and that will actually get us excited as fans.

Proved his greatness already....Or are you saying he isn't great..

it just seems that when a massive challenge comes, Mayweather ducks it. Cotto in his prime, Manny Pacquio in his prime and now Canelo at his right weight.

You're a wally.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Proved his greatness already....Or are you saying he isn't great..

Not saying he isn't great and never have. Just saying his legacy could be greatly improved with a fight like this. Really not sure why you would be so averse to this fight. As fans surely we should want to see the best take on the toughest available challenges. I believe Canelo represents that at the minute and as such that is the fight I want to see him take.

There are two sides to every coin, Canelo is chasing the fight, Floyd doesn't necessarily need it and nor does Canelo but it would provide a huge pay day for both.

However Canelo would be the challenger and as such why not take the challenge at Floyd's weight rather than his own. Mayweather, while I don't think he needs to, has every right to try and stack the deck in his favour.

For me a win for Canelo at 147 would mean much more than a win for Floyd at 154 or a win for Canelo at 154

But my point is If Guerrero is a cowardly choice at 8 p4p to many on here..........

What credit does he get for beating a green overrated Canelo........Which my crystal ball tells me he's likely to become........

You're a smart guy..........You know it's true...........

Truss I agree with you.

I think Guerrero was a great win, and Canelo would be too. But whenever Floyd wins there are always excuses as to why the win isn't as good as it could have been.

If Floyd wins at either weight there will be critics, even if Canelo bounces back wins more titles at 154 then moves up to 160 and 168+ a Mayweather win at this stage will always have the issue that he was too inexperienced at the top level

Can I also say that a 30 year old Leonard ducked Michael Nunn after the Kalambay fight.......That's six years younger than Floyd..

Jack Soloman offered Robinson a huge payday for Turpin 3 but he avoided it after initially agreeing.....

Your Mate dempsey..........

Hagler wouldn't fight Spinks..........

Whittaker could have fought Norris I'm sure..

Hypocrisy plain and simple.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:But my point is If Guerrero is a cowardly choice at 8 p4p to many on here..........

Bit of a contradiction there, as nobody on here rates Guerrero as p4p #8, that's just a convenient little headline for you to nut-hug Floyd over and comes only from the Ring ratings which, as shown on the other thread, are currently a complete joke.