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Post by Union Cane Mon 05 Mar 2012, 11:22 am

05/02/1977 - LEONARD W UD6 LUIS VEGA :
14/05/1977 - LEONARD W UD6 WILLIE RODRIGUEZ :
10/06/1977 - LEONARD W TKO3 VINNIE DEBARROS - NO FOOTAGE AVAILABLE

24/09/1977 - LEONARD W KO5 FRANK SANTORE JR :
05/11/1977 - LEONARD W KO6 AUGUSTIN ESTRADE - NO FOOTAGE AVAILABLE

17/12/1977 - LEONARD W KO2 HECTOR DIAZ - NO FOOTAGE AVAILABLE

04/02/1978 - LEONARD W UD8 ROCKY RAMON - NO FOOTAGE AVAILABLE

01/03/1978 - LEONARD W TKO7 AWR MCKNIGHT - NO FOOTAGE AVAILABLE

19/03/1978 - LEONARD W KO1 JAVIER MUNIZ :
13/04/1978 - LEONARD W RTD3 BOBBY HAYMAN - NO FOOTAGE AVAILABLE

13/05/1978 - LEONARD W TKO8 RANDY MILTON - NO FOOTAGE AVAILABLE

03/06/1978 - LEONARD W UD10 RAFAEL RODRIGUEZ :
18/07/1978 - LEONARD W UD10 DICK EKLUND :
09/09/1978 - LEONARD W TKO10 FLOYD MAYWEATHER :
06/10/1978 - LEONARD W UD10 RANDY SHIELDS - NO FOOTAGE AVAILABLE

03/11/1978 - LEONARD W UD10 BERNARDO PRADA :
09/12/1978 - LEONARD W RTD6 ARMANDO MUNIZ :
11/01/1979 - LEONARD W TKO8 JOHNNY GANT :
11/02/1979 - LEONARD W TKO8 FERNAND MARCOTTE :
24/03/1979 - LEONARD W TKO1 DANIEL ALDO GONZALEZ :
21/04/1979 - LEONARD W UD10 ADOLFO VIRUET :
20/05/1979 - LEONARD W UD10 MARCOS GERALDO :
24/06/1979 - LEONARD W RTD4 TONY CHIAVERINI :
12/08/1979 - LEONARD W TKO4 PETE RANZANY :
28/09/1979 - LEONARD W KO1 ANDY PRICE :
30/11/1979 - LEONARD W TKO15 WILFRED BENITEZ :
31/03/1980 - LEONARD W KO4 DAVE BOY GREEN :
20/06/1980 - LEONARD L UD15 ROBERTO DURAN :
25/11/1980 - LEONARD W TKO8 ROBERTO DURAN :
28/03/1981 - LEONARD W TKO10 LARRY BONDS :
25/06/1981 - LEONARD W TKO9 AYUB KALULE :
16/09/1981 - LEONARD W TKO14 THOMAS HEARNS :
15/02/1982 - LEONARD W TKO3 BRUCE FINCH :
11/05/1984 - LEONARD W TKO9 KEVIN HOWARD :
06/04/1987 - LEONARD W SD12 MARVIN HAGLER :
07/11/1988 - LEONARD W TKO9 DONNY LALONDE :
12/06/1989 - LEONARD D PTS12 THOMAS HEARNS :
07/12/1989 - LEONARD W UD12 ROBERTO DURAN :
09/02/1991 - LEONARD L UD12 TERRY NORRIS :
01/03/1997 - LEONARD L TKO5 HECTOR CAMACHO :


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Post by d260005p Mon 05 Mar 2012, 12:47 pm

Quick one. What the hell was Duran doing in November of 1980 against SRL?? Did he just quit randomly??

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Post by azania Mon 05 Mar 2012, 1:13 pm

He got fed up with the "clown". He thought SRL would grant him an immediate rematch but SRL took the low road and ran miles.

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Post by d260005p Mon 05 Mar 2012, 2:23 pm

Thats quite shocking from Duran!

That alone takes away everything. Just quits? Thats mad.

Imagine if Pacquiao did that against Mayweather?????


LEGACY = GONE.


Plus, didnt SRL dominate him in the 3rd fight?

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Mon 05 Mar 2012, 2:29 pm

When he was a 40 year old man yes he did but he did more than enough during his whole career to make up for No Mas.

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Post by d260005p Mon 05 Mar 2012, 2:32 pm

Really though? So again, if Pacquiao did it against Mayweather for example, what would the reaction be on here?

Be interesting to see...........

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Mon 05 Mar 2012, 2:34 pm

Depends on whether Pacquiao had already beaten Mayweather in an absolute war proving his guts and determination.

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Post by 88Chris05 Mon 05 Mar 2012, 2:47 pm

Pacquiao could lose in any kind of fashion to Mayweather and it wouldn't change the fact that he's had a fabulous career and is an all-time great fighter. Similarly, Duran's great work (both before and after 'No Mas') doesn't suddenly disappear thanks to one moment of madness.

Legacy gone? Hardly.
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Post by d260005p Mon 05 Mar 2012, 2:49 pm

Im not saying it does........but it will surely pop up as a question when experts are asked or have opinions i suppose.

I just think its really interesting as i had never seen it before if im honest.

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Post by azania Mon 05 Mar 2012, 2:53 pm

d260005p wrote:Thats quite shocking from Duran!

That alone takes away everything. Just quits? Thats mad.

Imagine if Pacquiao did that against Mayweather?????


LEGACY = GONE.


Plus, didnt SRL dominate him in the 3rd fight?

I dont think it had any effect on his legacy seieng as it was sealed previously. In many ways it adds to Duran the character in that he was unpredictable and nuts. The rematch happened when Duran was older than Windy. Doesn't count.

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Post by Union Cane Mon 05 Mar 2012, 2:55 pm

I will be doing a Duran thread at some point (might take a while, he had 119 fights, the bugger) so you'll be able to put the "No-mas" fight in the context of his whole career.
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Post by Imperial Ghosty Mon 05 Mar 2012, 2:55 pm

d260005p wrote:Im not saying it does........but it will surely pop up as a question when experts are asked or have opinions i suppose.

I just think its really interesting as i had never seen it before if im honest.

He is almost universally considered to be a consensus top ten man of all time as well as the top man at lightweight so don't think it's harmed his legacy that much.

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Post by d260005p Mon 05 Mar 2012, 2:57 pm

True AZ, but imagine if that happened with Pacquiao?

Its very intriguing.

The only thing close is Ortiz quitting against Maidana.........but he did so having been in a war during the fight and didnt want anymore.

What confuses me, is that SRL was winding him up SO much with his movements and mockery, he decided to quit.

He wasnt hurt in anyway, and just stated SRL was a clown lol.

Pretty funny, but never seen before.

Funny character.

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Post by azania Mon 05 Mar 2012, 2:58 pm

d260005p wrote:Really though? So again, if Pacquiao did it against Mayweather for example, what would the reaction be on here?

Be interesting to see...........

He'll be criticised as DUran was. Also Floyd would go for a rubber match. SRL ran from that until Duran was seriously past it.

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Post by d260005p Mon 05 Mar 2012, 2:58 pm

Imperial Ghosty wrote:
d260005p wrote:Im not saying it does........but it will surely pop up as a question when experts are asked or have opinions i suppose.

I just think its really interesting as i had never seen it before if im honest.

He is almost universally considered to be a consensus top ten man of all time as well as the top man at lightweight so don't think it's harmed his legacy that much.

Im not saying it harmed his legacy, im just saying its never been seen before (in my eyes anyway) and that if Pacquiao did it, would HIS legacy be affected?

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Mon 05 Mar 2012, 3:00 pm

His legacy wouldn't be affected in the slightest, wouldn't change the fact he's previously beaten numerous great fighters at numerous weights.

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Post by d260005p Mon 05 Mar 2012, 3:22 pm

But surely it would affect it in somewhere in terms of expert opinions etc?

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Mon 05 Mar 2012, 3:28 pm

Taking into account Duran I don't think it would.

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Post by AlexHuckerby Mon 05 Mar 2012, 5:24 pm

It would be used to beat Pac over the head with, but most level headed folks will realise his other achievements still warrant him up with a place with the very best, though it could slide him down a few places with the manner of loss in his biggest ever fight.

Never understood why he quit though, he was well in the fight, thought he could have tried to take a couple more risks though. But it does show you the effect of mind games even at the very elite level. First time round it was Duran who bested him in that department making SRL fight his fight, second time SRL got in Durans and made him quit, does make it sound like all of Haye's trash talking to Wlad wasn't THAT daft I guess.

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Post by Union Cane Mon 05 Mar 2012, 5:30 pm

He didn't quit, it was stomach cramps, an injury, more a case of squits than quits you could say, it's the same as Vitali 'quitting' against Lewis, and that hasn't affected his legacy.
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Post by AlexHuckerby Mon 05 Mar 2012, 5:38 pm

I never knew that :S Learn something new everyday!

Union, seeing as your awesome and done SRL, perhaps the rest of the Fab 4 is in order, only seen about half of Haglers fights...

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Post by Atila Mon 05 Mar 2012, 6:49 pm

d260005p wrote:Really though? So again, if Pacquiao did it against Mayweather for example, what would the reaction be on here?

Be interesting to see...........
Duran got pilloried at the time and it's only with time and the fights he had afterwards that his status got better. If he had retired after that fight I'm sure he'd still be remembered more for that fight than his lightweight reign.

If Pacquiao did it he would deservedly receive critisicm too, as should any fighter who just quits.


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Post by manos de piedra Mon 05 Mar 2012, 7:25 pm

I dont believe for a second that Duran quit because of stomach cramps. He quit in a moment of frustration because Leonards taunting was getting on his nerves. The stomachs cramps was just an "official" excuse.

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Post by azania Mon 05 Mar 2012, 10:42 pm

Union Cane wrote:He didn't quit, it was stomach cramps, an injury, more a case of squits than quits you could say, it's the same as Vitali 'quitting' against Lewis, and that hasn't affected his legacy.

BS. He quit. Plain and simple. He quit because he got frustrated and fed up. SRL's clowning was the last straw. The bolo punches, windmill just got him p'd off and he quit. No squits whatsoever.

For me it doesn;t hinder his legacy. Davey Moore suffered for it.

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Post by 88Chris05 Mon 05 Mar 2012, 11:25 pm

I'm in agreement with Manos and Azania here; the 'stomach cramps' excuse has always seemed a little dubious to me. I don't doubt that Duran's preparations for Leonard II had been less than ideal, and that he was perhaps a bit tight at 147 lb come fight night, but I don't think he was suffering from any real physical ailment by the time of the eighth round.

Those who have read Christian Giudice's biography of Duran will know that Duran's long-time trainer 'Plomo' Quinones, it seems, simply made the excuse up on the spot as interviewers swarmed the ring in the immediate aftermatch. Apparently Duran, suddenly realising the enormity of what he'd done, basically said to Plomo "you're good at this stuff, make something up for me" or something to that measure.
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Post by Union Cane Tue 06 Mar 2012, 9:05 am

AlexHuckerby wrote:Union, seeing as your awesome and done SRL, perhaps the rest of the Fab 4 is in order, only seen about half of Haglers fights...

These threads are awesomez by the way!

Awesomez, I'm glad you are digging them, homey.

Great minds must think alike, as Hagler and Hearns are next on the list.
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Post by Valero's Conscience Wed 14 Mar 2012, 4:11 pm

Just watched Lalonde fight and what a good scrap it was!

I know it won't get the recognition as his other fights against big stars but worth watching.

Ps - disgusting how he could win 2 world titles in 2 different weights in one fight!

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