meldrick taylor

just watched this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-R-j5FIjxI&feature=related
omg awsome fight 2 great warriors but.... surley that stoppage was a bit dodgy to say the least gta think that after the trainer had not wanted the ref in the 1st place that he may have been on to something. don king controversy again? hehe.
and such a shame to see taylor in that conditon at the end another great fighter that didnt know when his time was over and now paying the price.
been working thro the legendery fiights on youtube and all of them have been interesting and can think of a lot worse ways to spend an evening but this 1 has realy saddend me:(
great fight and 2 great fighters

Good article...The fight served as the highlight and the twilight of Taylor's career....For sure the fact Steele and King were so close leads to doubts about the stoppage..

His main problem was the fact he was so poorly matched..Fancy taking on Norris at 154...

Finished now and in a bad way apparently..........

However the fastest hands I've ever seen apart from a young Camacho..

Great fight Gab, credit must go to Chavez for fighting right to the final bell, certainly caused some controversy.

Wasn't really a great fight..more like a Boxing lesson...

Duva should have told him to tie him up for the last round....he was 10-1 up on at least one card.....

He was losing on one card.

The mexican's card..

Well i thought it was a great fight Trussman, Chavez didn't know when to give up which is why unfortunately he was still fighting up till recently.

Yeah, so the cards don't always tell the whole story. If you turn off the HBO commentary it's actually a pretty close fight. If Chavez was being given a boxing lesson then why did he look fine and Taylor's face was swollen and bleeding.

The ref gave him two chances to carry on, and he just stood there.

It was one sided as the HBO card showed.....

However Taylor didn't wear well...Always prone to swelling up.....

For anybody to say that Chavez was up on one card as evidence it was close...Give me a break...

Anybody see Ramirez - Pernell whittaker!!

Chavez was a warrior though...........

So you can say a card showed Taylor as dominant and that's fine.

I say another card showed he wasn't. That's wrong?

ok

Fighers faces are different some people like your Henry Cooper win easy fights while being puffed up and bleeding........

Maybe Ko, The ring, HBO and the two other judges were wrong........

Who knows.....

For me he got handed his butt and Steele helped his mate at worst and was incompetent at best..

Didn't show the same regard for Bruno when he was trashed on the ropes by Tyson...........

So how many times should a ref ask if the fighter is ok before calling it off? and if it was just that he had a face that got marked up, why did the fight totally finish Taylor?

Steele could see the red lights flashing to signal the end of the round...

Stoppage was a joke and widely criticised!

Before that fight he always gave the defending champions the benefit of the doubt (taylor was IBF champ remember)..

Happy to let chavez batter Rosario...............

Taylor was winning the fight, but I can't row with this idea that he was giving Chavez 'a lesson' or that he'd won ten of the first eleven rounds. Regardless of how Taylor's face was looking, he'd taken some absolute bombs in that fight, particularly in the latter rounds as Chavez caught up with him. Regardless of whether or not you think Steele's stoppage was right or wrong, you can't deny that Taylor was almost smashed to pieces at the end; look at the way he used the ropes to drag himself up, or the way Chavez had made his legs buckle twice in the build up to the knockdown.

As I said, Taylor was winning, but don't buy in to the idea that Chavez was nowhere until the twelfth round.

Well he was nowhere on the cards.........Enough of a case to buy into.....

For a guy who caught up to him in the later rounds he didn't have alot to show for it..

118-110 on the hbo card as well as 119-109 on one of the judges..

and winning on another

Who cares....Fact is HBO, The ring, KO and two judges had Meldrick big...........and a "Mexican "didn't....

Give it a rest........

Trussman, HBO also had Pacquiao beating Marquez, and we all know how you feel about that. You know as well as we all do that HBO having a certain fighter ahead, and by a certain margin, doesn't mean that it's the gospel truth.

Don't get all uppity about it. As I said, I had Taylor a fair way ahead, but just not by the margins you've mentioned.

I dont see what the controversy was about. You are supposed to be able to defend yourself at all times. All times means just that. Its not defend yourself at all times except for 2 secs to go before the final bell.

BTW, whichever judge had Chavez ahead should be taken out and sent to an optician. Taylor was streets ahead. He gave a boxing clinic for 11 rounds and 58 seconds.

Not by the margins you said....Consensus has it that he was ahead by those margins....

Meldrick's big mistake was in not coasting..

Steele should be ashamed...Like his olympic compatriot Pernell Meldrick was robbed by the Mexican..

The Galveston Giant wrote:Great fight Gab, credit must go to Chavez for fighting right to the final bell, certainly caused some controversy.

ofc he gta take full credit and as some have said about the difference in thier faces at the end it wasnt all 1 way traffic but from what i can gather from the documentary it was all taylor and a pretty decisive boxing lesson (must admit i havent seen the whole fight but am in process of finding it as i type)
personaly think the ref got it way wrong and was to keen to stop it but judging by the docs coments at the end taylor was in a bad way...but still 2 seconds? great shame and think that taylor deserved ... no earned the right to see the final bell.

Steele was King's referee.......................Chavez beat Randall, Taylor and drew with Pernell controversially....

Get the picture..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Not by the margins you said....Consensus has it that he was ahead by those margins....

Meldrick's big mistake was in not coasting..

Steele should be ashamed...Like his olympic compatriot Pernell Meldrick was robbed by the Mexican..

Could Meldrick defend himself? In the opinion of the ref, he couldn't hence the fight was stopped. If that happened in the 6th round, no one would have cared. It makes no difference if it was the 6 or 12th round. Its not the ref's job to be a time-keeper.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Steele was King's referee.......................Chavez beat Randall, Taylor and drew with Pernell controversially....

Get the picture..

No.

Why do you think Lawless objected to Steele before Bruno 1

Capische..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Why do you think Lawless objected to Steele before Bruno 1

Capische..

Would it have made a difference?

You asked me to explain the above King comment...

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You asked me to explain the above King comment...

I did. But Taylor was in no position to continue. The ref is not the timekeeper.

The fact that there was a huge commotion after the stoppage shows that the stoppage was contentious...

You were in the ring were you..

Steele could see the red lights..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The fact that there was a huge commotion after the stoppage shows that the stoppage was contentious...

You were in the ring were you..

Steele could see the red lights..

The commotio nwas because it was the 12th round. The ref is there to protect the boxers and not watch red lights.

Oh right so that's why there was commotion and.. Taylor wasn't fit for to continue..

Such an expert on the fight from your armchair in Bognor Regis.

Yep HBO, The ring, KO, Boxing illustrated and everybody else feel humbled by your superior opinion..

We apologise!

Taylor appeared glassy and disorientated at the end. People have claimed he was looking over at his coach, but still he was obviously out of it. Chavez put in a storming final three rounds and cameback strongly. If the stoppage had been at the start of the round, we probably wouldn't be still talking about it. How much time is left is irrelevant, its not the referee's job to look at the clock.

Baring in mind what has happened to Taylor afterwards, the ref would have done him more favours to stop the fight earlier. Saw an interview with Taylor not long ago, he seemed in good health. Still in love with the game.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Oh right so that's why there was commotion and.. Taylor wasn't fit for to continue..

Such an expert on the fight from your armchair in Bognor Regis.

Yep HBO, The ring, KO, Boxing illustrated and everybody else feel humbled by your superior opinion..

We apologise!

I'm giving my opinion. I used to lace them up a while back....so not exactly an armchair fan and I'm in London. Lord knows where Bognor Regis is, but thats neither here nor there.

Would there be the same commotion is the fight ended in the same manner at the end of round 11?

Looking over at his coach???....

Then how could Steele know his eyes were glassy if his head wasn't facing him..

Bearing in mind to what happened to Taylor afterweards???

What winning the World welterweight title off Davis!!

You've not got a clue have you.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Looking over at his coach???....

Then how could Steele know his eyes were glassy if his head wasn't facing him..

Bearing in mind to what happened to Taylor afterweards???

What winning the World welterweight title off Davis!!

You've not got a clue have you.

Do you know the instructions given before the fight? Ober the ref i s one. The ref asked him a question and asked him to walk forward. He didn't respond. Perhaps Lou Duva should have hidden.

The ref was very quick to make sure...That was the point..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The ref was very quick to make sure...That was the point..

I thought he was quite slow. If I was Chavez, I would be thinking how much rest is the ref giving him? It was almost 15 seconds. Poor reffing I agree.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:The ref was very quick to make sure...That was the point..

just watched the whole fight and in my opinion was a great fight both guys true warriors.
gta agree with truss on this 1 can agree any other round then it was a stoppage especaily considering the damage and the times taylor had wobbled ..but cmon last round less than 10 secs left witch the ref knew about. ok he didnt know 2 secs but he did know less than 10 the guy deserved to see the final bell i realy think that was a dodgy piece of smthing what i dunno but smells fishy to me especaily given the trainers concerns about the ref in the 1st place.

Another point is if the fight had continued and there was say, 15 seconds left, it would have been over anyway. Sure Meldrick was probably a worthy winner, but the fight had changed in Chavez favour during these later rounds.

Referee's can't see around corners I suppose, thats a good argument citing geometry. He was standing right next to him, presumably he's seeen a few fighters in similar conditions in the past. Ali became a 3 time HW champ and beat Shavers and Norton, don't reckon he should have been in the ring though. The damage Taylor received in the two Chavez fights undoubtedly led to him developing Parkinson's. If the ref wants to err on the side of caution thats fine by me.

ArchBritishchris wrote:Referee's can't see around corners I suppose, thats a good argument citing geometry. He was standing right next to him, presumably he's seeen a few fighters in similar conditions in the past. Ali became a 3 time HW champ and beat Shavers and Norton, don't reckon he should have been in the ring though. The damage Taylor received in the two Chavez fights undoubtedly led to him developing Parkinson's. If the ref wants to err on the side of caution thats fine by me.

The bottom line is that the ref stopped the fight when Taylor couldnot defend himself. The time left is an irrelevance

The fight was stopped and rightfully so, Taylor was in no condition to continue regardless of the time left
I also don't buy into him winning the fight easily, he was throwing fast combinations that were doing no damage at all. It was a definite case of style over substance, Taylor looked stylish and impressive while Chavez was the one doing all the damage. It's a difficult fight to score because of that, I don't think you can win a fight with pitter patter punches.

The Galveston Giant wrote:Another point is if the fight had continued and there was say, 15 seconds left, it would have been over anyway. Sure Meldrick was probably a worthy winner, but the fight had changed in Chavez favour during these later rounds.

totaly agree with u just think 2 seconds? cmon? ref did do the right thing but he deserved to see the final bell
as i said any other round ....just feel for the guy and am realy kinda saddened a guy that could fight like that take so much and give it ,very talented guy ended the way he is?.. as i said original post this story made me sit up and take notice.
still think the ref was wrong but thats just my humble opinion

Why give Taylor the benefit of 2 seconds and take away a deserved victory from Chavez after he'd left him unable to continue. The HBO documentary which i'm guessing you watched is very biased in Taylors favour and fails to acknowledge the damage his body had taken, as you've said if it was any other time sums up the situation, Steele made the right call, no two ways about it.

imperialghosty wrote:The fight was stopped and rightfully so, Taylor was in no condition to continue regardless of the time left
I also don't buy into him winning the fight easily, he was throwing fast combinations that were doing no damage at all. It was a definite case of style over substance, Taylor looked stylish and impressive while Chavez was the one doing all the damage. It's a difficult fight to score because of that, I don't think you can win a fight with pitter patter punches.

In my opinion Taylor was winning pretty handily. But as you say, Steele made the right call.

You have to score the fight in favour of Taylor but he fought in a very amateurish way with nothing more than scoring punches, Chavez was the one throwing the hurtful punches. Who would you rather have been in the ring with?

imperialghosty wrote:You have to score the fight in favour of Taylor but he fought in a very amateurish way with nothing more than scoring punches, Chavez was the one throwing the hurtful punches. Who would you rather have been in the ring with?

I wouldn't call Taylor's style amateurish. He fought the perfect style against Chavez, but was simply not good enough. Close but no cigar.

imperialghosty wrote:You have to score the fight in favour of Taylor but he fought in a very amateurish way with nothing more than scoring punches, Chavez was the one throwing the hurtful punches. Who would you rather have been in the ring with?

niether tyvm
was awsome fight never seen it b4 tonight gutted tbh

Taylor normally sat down on his punches more than he did against Chavez, at the time it was a very amateurish way to fight. Quick combinations and little power just to impress the judges, he used all his amateur pedigree to a great extent but simply couldn't keep Chavez away with his pitter patter.

imperialghosty wrote:Taylor normally sat down on his punches more than he did against Chavez, at the time it was a very amateurish way to fight. Quick combinations and little power just to impress the judges, he used all his amateur pedigree to a great extent but simply couldn't keep Chavez away with his pitter patter.

I'll repeat what I said before. That was the best tactic to employ. Moreover if he sat down on his punches, the fight would have ended earlier with a Chavez KO. He had to stick and move and move quickly.